Fish and Omega-3 Fatty Acids

[dannyboy9]

At the office today, the doc showed me this great bit of information I personally found interesting. Hopefully some of you out there feel the same.
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AHA Recommendation
Omega-3 fatty acids benefit the heart of healthy people, and those at high risk of — or who have — cardiovascular disease.

We recommend eating fish (particularly fatty fish) at least two times a week. Fish is a good source of protein and doesn’t have the high saturated fat that fatty meat products do. Fatty fish like mackerel, lake trout, herring, sardines, albacore tuna and salmon are high in two kinds of omega-3 fatty acids, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

To learn about omega-3 levels for different types of fish — as well as mercury levels, which can be a concern — see our Encyclopedia entry on Fish, Levels of Mercury and Omega-3 Fatty Acids.

We also recommend eating tofu and other forms of soybeans, canola, walnut and flaxseed, and their oils. These contain alpha-linolenic acid (LNA), which can become omega-3 fatty acid in the body. The extent of this modification is modest and controversial, however. More studies are needed to show a cause-and-effect relationship between alpha-linolenic acid and heart disease.

The table below is a good guide to use for consuming omega-3 fatty acids.

Summary of Recommendations for Omega-3 Fatty Acid Intake

Population Recommendation

Patients without documented coronary heart disease (CHD) = Eat a variety of (preferably fatty) fish at least twice a week. Include oils and foods rich in alpha-linolenic acid (flaxseed, canola and soybean oils; flaxseed and walnuts).

Patients with documented CHD = Consume about 1 g of EPA+DHA per day, preferably from fatty fish. EPA+DHA in capsule form could be considered in consultation with the physician.

Patients who need to lower triglycerides = 2 to 4 grams of EPA+DHA per day provided as capsules under a physician’s care.


Patients taking more than 3 grams of omega-3 fatty acids from capsules should do so only under a physician’s care. High intakes could cause excessive bleeding in some people.

Background

In 1996 the American Heart Association released its Science Advisory, “Fish Consumption, Fish Oil, Lipids and Coronary Heart Disease.” Since then important new findings have been reported about the benefits of omega-3 fatty acids on cardiovascular disease. These include evidence from randomized, controlled clinical trials. New information has emerged about how omega-3 fatty acids affect heart function (including antiarrhythmic effects), hemodynamics (cardiac mechanics) and arterial endothelial function. These findings are outlined in our November 2002 Scientific Statement, “Fish Consumption, Fish Oil, Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Cardiovascular Disease.”

The ways that omega-3 fatty acids reduce CVD risk are still being studied. However, research has shown that they

decrease risk of arrhythmias, which can lead to sudden cardiac death
decrease triglyceride levels
decrease growth rate of atherosclerotic plaque
lower blood pressure (slightly)
What do epidemiological and observational studies show?

Epidemiologic and clinical trials have shown that omega-3 fatty acids reduce CVD incidence. Large-scale epidemiologic studies suggest that people at risk for coronary heart disease benefit from consuming omega-3 fatty acids from plants and marine sources.

The ideal amount to take isn’t clear. Evidence from prospective secondary prevention studies suggests that taking EPA+DHA ranging from 0.5 to 1.8 grams per day (either as fatty fish or supplements) significantly reduces deaths from heart disease and all causes. For alpha-linolenic acid, a total intake of 1.5–3 grams per day seems beneficial.

Randomized clinical trials have shown that omega-3 fatty acid supplements can reduce cardiovascular events (death, non-fatal heart attacks, non-fatal strokes). They can also slow the progression of atherosclerosis in coronary patients. However, more studies are needed to confirm and further define the health benefits of omega-3 fatty acid supplements for preventing a first or subsequent cardiovascular event. For example, placebo-controlled, double-blind, randomized clinical trials are needed to document the safety and efficacy of omega-3 fatty acid supplements in high-risk patients (those with type 2 diabetes, dyslipidemia, hypertension and smokers) and coronary patients on drug therapy. Mechanistic studies on their apparent effects on sudden death also are needed.

Increasing omega-3 fatty acid intake through foods is preferable. However, coronary artery disease patients may not be able to get enough omega-3 by diet alone. These people may want to talk to their doctor about taking a supplement. Supplements also could help people with high triglycerides, who need even larger doses. The availability of high-quality omega-3 fatty acid supplements, free of contaminants, is an important prerequisite to their use.

Fish and Omega-3 Fatty Acids

 

[00126645]

Hey guys, this posting says 3 grams of fish oils a day is the "safe" dosage. How much are you guys taking?

am taking about 6 grams a day, and I really like its effect on my mood. 3 grams doesn't seem to do the trick for me.

 

[mpkonig]

damn...6 grams.....whew....is there any fish oil supps out there that i dont have to take like 30 of them a day to get that much???

 

[dannyboy9]

Men should not consume soy as it acts as an estrogen mimic. The same is true of the phytoestrogens found in flax supplements.

I don't want to sound certain but I believe that was written off as a myth a while ago since there is not enough conclusive evidence to say certain? The only studies I've seen soy having a negative impact on were using primates and rodents as their test subjects although I have seen recommendations to stick to ating whole soy foods, such as tofu and soymilk, rather than extracts and isolated proteins.

In a recent study looking at soy's affect on reproductive health in healthy males, men given 40 mg of soy isoflavones daily for 2 months (there are 20 mg of isoflavones in 1 cup of soy milk; 38 mg in 1/2 cup of tofu), there were no effects on serum sex hormones, testicular volume, or semen quality. This was deemed the first study to examine the effects of a phytoestrogen supplement on reproductive health in males. (Mitchell et al., Clinical Science 100(6):613-618, 2001 June)

I believe in fact, I read somewhere that phytoestrogens have very weak estrogen-like activity but can also act like anti-estrogens, reducing the effects of naturally-produced estrogen. Phytoestrogens can inhibit the body’s production of certain hormones that are linked to cancer development as well.

Hopefully I can get someone to clear this up..

 

[dannyboy9]

You make some good points, and well. However, adding an estrogen mimic does not block other estrogens. This was previously thought, that they would, through competitive inhibition. In reality, it merely adds to the total estrogen load. This is also why the xenoestrogens presented by environmentla contamination are dangerous to us.

Why do perimenopausal women (low on estrogen) find relief in soy? Because it acts as an estrogen. Does that sound like a good idea for us?

There is a website dedicated to the ravages of soy intake. I'll see if I can dig it up.

There are websites that write off the ravages of soy intake as well. There ARE bodybuilders out there that use soy and I don't believe they're lacking in any sort of size nor are their gains suffering whatsoever. This might be a case of personal preference as opposed to "the facts are.." because the research is inconclusive and foggy.

 

[DragonRider]

There ARE bodybuilders out there that use soy and I don't believe they're lacking in any sort of size nor are their gains suffering whatsoever.

Can you name any? Anyone who has been bodybuilding for any length of time knows better than to rely on soy. Even if it weren't for the estrogen problems, soy is a vegetable source of protein. There are no known vegetable sources of protein that have complete amino acid profiles.

 

[dlew308]

Interesting, now I'll have to avoid soy products, I used to use soy milk for cereal a long time ago. So is flax seed is bad to use then?

 

[RexGrandis]

Hey I don't want to create any contreversey or anything, but I recall reading somewhere advice that suggests men avoid flax seeds, because they contain phytoestrogens. It is probably just some rogue alarmist looking for attention, can someone clear this up for me?

 

[dlew308]

I'm retiring the flax seeds now....

 

[dlew308]

LOL, so place the flax seeds on someone's car I didn't like?

 

[Motomatt]

"We also recommend eating tofu and other forms of soybeans, canola, walnut and flaxseed, and their oils. These contain alpha-linolenic acid (LNA), which can become omega-3 fatty acid in the body. The extent of this modification is modest and controversial, however. More studies are needed to show a cause-and-effect relationship between alpha-linolenic acid and heart disease."

Men should not consume soy as it acts as an estrogen mimic. The same is true of the phytoestrogens found in flax supplements.

The doctors who wrote this need to learn the endocrine differences between males and females.

You can drink flax seed oil all day, and it will not elevate DHEA and EPA enough to make a difference. It will, however, raise your risk of prostate cancer, and increase the inflammatory response.

alpha-linolenic acid is known as "ALA".

Great post, I've also read soy, not good for thyroid, soy is used in everything, dog food, cat food,sport bars,and drinks, etc. not because its healthy, because its very inexpensive and has a long shelf life.

 

[dannyboy9]

New FDA Soy Website

David B. Haytowitz of the Agricultural Research Services (ARS), in Beltsville, Md., part of USDA.

Haytowitz participated in creating the site (http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/isoflav/isoflav.html), which lists a total of 128 foods. Federal nutritionists spent one year on the project, combing through scientific literature to derive the amounts of isoflavones, compounds familiar to health store habitues such as daidzein, genistein and glycitein, in various foods. In addition, food scientist Patricia A. Murphy of Iowa State University in Ames, analyzed samples of various new food products like vegetarian hot dogs and hamburgers to measure their isoflavones.

Federal interest in quantifying the health benefits of soy products has increased with the release last November of a proposed Food and Drug Administration (FDA) rule to allow food manufacturers to make health claims on soy-related products.

"The agency has tentatively concluded that, based on the totality of publicly available scientific evidence, soy protein included in a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol may reduce the risk of coronary heart disease," according to an FDA notice in the Federal Register. Foods like soybeans, chickpeas and tofu would gain new labels touting their health benefits under this rule. The agency is still working on the final wording of its manufacturer guidance, according to Susan M. Pilch, of the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

The Web site contains two sets of tables detailing the amounts of isoflavones in the various foods. For scientists, the site offers connections to two lengthy lists of references for the analysis. Researchers can also download a complete copy of the database to their computers from the ARS.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists cautiously endorsed women using soy products as an alternative to traditional hormone replacement therapy in its guidebook, "Managing Menopause." The Washington D.C.-based organization noted that research has found a 45 percent
reduction in hot flashes among women who took daily soy protein supplements.

The new Web site represents an effort by federal nutritionists to raise awareness of more recently discovered nutrients in the human diet, according to Haytowitz. A related site on his agencies' web page looks at carotenoids, compounds associated with Vitamin A. Future sites are planned to
list nutrients in teas, onions and red wine. "We're just getting to the point where we can see the physiological effects of these new compounds," said Haytowitz.

The FDA soy rule can be found at Federal Register (1998; 63: 62977-63015)

 

[dannyboy9]

Editor’s note: Nexus magazine ran a sensational article about the “dangers” of soy. This is Dr. Steven Chaney’s response. Dr. Chaney is a professor of Chemistry, Biochemistry, Bio-Physics, and Nutrition at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. He has run an internationally recognized cancer research program at that Institution for 28 years. For many years he has also taught nutrition to medical students.

Dear Dr. Falentin,

The source that you sent me to (NEXUS: Home Page) is hardly a
credible information source. I checked out not only the article that you
sent me (which was incredibly one sided) but also the magazine's main web
site. When you look at the kind of articles the magazine publishes, it puts
their article on soy in perspective. This is an organization that sees UFOs
and government conspiracies everywhere! I would just make the following
comments:

1) Much of the negative information was on soy beans themselves and not
textured soy protein or other processed soy products, so it is completely
irrelevant.

2) I am aware of a few negative reports concerning soy phytoestrogens.
However, those are based primarily on cell culture and animal experiments.
Any good scientist will tell you that those experiments have only a 10%
chance of proving true in humans. We don't discount those experiments, but
rather use them as a basis for designing human clinical trials that will
definatively test the hypotheses that they have raised. If they are
confirmed in clinical trials, then it would be appropriate to change current
recommendations - not before.

3) Those reports should be compared with the literally hundreds of clinical
studies showing the safety and health benefits of soy as part of a healthy
diet. The FDA's recommendation for use of soy protein speaks for itself. If
anyone tries to tell you that the FDA is conspiring with industry to promote
one product over another, they are probably trying to sell you something.

4) I have also been following the research with Dr. Bounous' whey protein
product. That resarch is in the very early stages yet. One particular
concern that I have at present is that all of the research has been done by
Dr. Bounous - and he is the one who holds the patent on the product. Past
experience warns me that his findings may not hold up when evaluated by
independent laboratories. Until independent research confirms his findings I
remain very skeptical. I also suspect that the company marketing his
products is likely to run into problems with the FDA in this country. They
are making drug-like claims. You can't do that with a food.
I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely,

Dr. Stephen G. Chaney

 

[dlew308]

Not I.....

Crap, there goes eating kashi cereal and the other flax added cereals I usually eat.

 

[dannyboy9]

My honest opinion is that if soy DOES indeed alter estrogen levels or what not in men, it's so minute it's not even noteworthy. There was a study completed not to long ago on the efficacy of both whey & soy as far as their muscle building properties go and in conclusion, both whey & soy were equivalent in the opportunities both provided for muscle building.

There's too much conflicting evidence on both sides to say certain. You might not recommend soy for men cause of 1/2 the studies and research out there but there is another 1/2 out there that proves otherwise and I'm sure they're not all funded by Archer Daniels Midland.

To each his own.

 

[DragonRider]

You might not recommend soy for men cause of 1/2 the studies and research out there
To each his own.

Maybe that is in addition to John's 8 years of medical school and years of practice specializing in HRT for men?





Soy still does not have a complete amino acid profile and that in itself makes it less valuable.

 

[live4fitness]

my 2 cents

Eat a cup of brocolli a day and it helps reduce estrogyn in the body and helps with muscle growth

 

[RexGrandis]

does flax seed OIL also contain phytoestrogens?

 

[dannyboy9]

Maybe that is in addition to John's 8 years of medical school and years of practice specializing in HRT for men?

I already dropped it. You should do the same. Besides that, degrees and years of [insert whatever might make someone seem smart] are what a lot of doctors and such have just as well as John might and they're complete fools.

I'm not here to argue, bash or get bashed. Discussion over as far as soy goes, let's keep it moving.:drunk:

 

[dannyboy9]

MANY other benefits as well!

As I always tell my guys: "Veggies are your best friends".

Broccoli for one, should be at the top of your list when it comes to veggies. It's rich with a health supply of iron, calcium, fiber and vitamin C, meaning it's good for the circulatory system, bones, and fighting colds.

I think you have done a very good job of making your points, and in a gentlemanly fashion. This is nice to see in such a young gentleman.

One thing to consider: I'm not just "any" doctor. I do this stuff all day, every day. AND I hang out with the top people in the world in my field. The perspective is a bit different from there.

BTW, you have to be a pretty darned smart (and tough) "fool" to become a doctor. lol

Don't get it mistaken, I'm not calling you a fool or just any ol' doctor. You don't seem to fit the descriptions or match the criteria whatsoever. What I meant by the fools that are doctors was those that think squatting below parallel is "bad for your knees" or those that think creatine is like injecting steroids. You know, the ones that passed the tests in med school but never really learned anything.:icon_lol:

Thanks for the compliments on my....debating style? I always try to be as diplomatic as possible not to mention I'll never forget this member's sig I saw on another board:

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics: win or lose, you're still a retard.

I thought it was pretty funny myself but on another note, I did have a question. Typically I'm not a big fan of dairy milk but when I do drink it, I try to stick to organic skim milk for the low saturated fat content.Have you ever tried any other types of milk that you can personally recommend me aside from dairy?

 

[anabolicrhino]

It's not that it ALTERS estrogen levels, it IS an estrogen. Big difference.

The strongest arguement to not take soy, IMPO, is the fact it treats estrogen deficiency in women. Can't get beyond that, no way, no how.

Wow, the pro-soy lobby is getting desperate, Now there using agents to post pro soy propaganda and to create doubts about hard scientific data on unsuspecting websites.

Anything, that antagonizes estrogen receptors is estrogenic case closed final decree!

The only marketable thing about soy is that it is so cheap to produce that they could give it away and still make a profit!!!

You are spot on with Archer Daniel Midland, everything that is wrong with modern agriculture can be found in the minutes of ADM corporate agenda meeting

 

[dannyboy9]

I am NOT eating any more raw broccoli. I did for a couple of months, and now I can't stand it anymore. Can't stand the grinding of the fibers, or the nasty seeds.

But when I flash steam it, until it gets to be its darkest, richest green color, then squeeze some fresh lemon juice on top, and a bit of salt and pepper, it's yummy. i eat this several times each week.

I wouldn't eat it any other way:gas: I like pouring some melted Smart Butter over it along with some curry powder myself!

It's also great quickly sauteed in olive oil. A rich, nutty flavor comes out which I find particularly unique and delicious. A little beef thrown in makes a quick meal. Sometimes I add some young squash and/or zuch slices.

That' a heck of an idea with that olive oil. I've always thought about it but never did it...now that you mention it I've got to try it.

 

[dannyboy9]

Can you name any? Anyone who has been bodybuilding for any length of time knows better than to rely on soy. Even if it weren't for the estrogen problems, soy is a vegetable source of protein. There are no known vegetable sources of protein that have complete amino acid profiles.

I can't believe I missed this post. He doesn't rely on soy but he consumes it regularly:

John Pinder - he might not be a "BB'er but he is indeed a lifter". I DID mean to say that but looking back @ my post I realize I failed to. My apologies. There are soy supplements out there that ARE complete in their amino acid profiles last I remember as well...

 

[dannyboy9]

I thought it was pretty funny myself but on another note, I did have a question. Typically I'm not a big fan of dairy milk but when I do drink it, I try to stick to organic skim milk for the low saturated fat content.Have you ever tried any other types of milk that you can personally recommend me aside from dairy?

Dr. John, I'm sure you didn't miss my question on purpose but I'm sure it's not difficult to considering my lengthy post. With all due respect, what would be your answer

 

[Muscle Mania]

coconut milk.

 

[Motomatt]

Yup.
And the side chain of GLA is recognized by the estrogen receptor.

So men shouldn't use GLA ?
I use GLA, I was under the impression that GLA helps produce the good eicosanoids .
Gamma-Linolenic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[/QUOTE]However, a lack of GLA can occur when people grow older and their bodies become unable to produce it in sufficient quantities, or due to specific dietary deficiencies.

From GLA, the body forms dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA). This is one of the body's three sources of eicosanoids (along with AA and EPA.) DGLA is the precursor of the prostaglandin PGH1, which in turn forms PGE1 and the thromboxane TXA1. PGE1 has a role in regulation of immune system function and is used as the medicine alprostadil. TXA1 modulates the pro-inflammatory properties of the thromboxane TXA2.
Unlike AA and EPA, DGLA cannot yield leukotrienes. However it can inhibit the formation of pro-inflammatory leukotrienes from AA, (Belch and Hill, 2000).
Although GLA is an ω-6 fatty acid (which are generally pro-inflammatory) it has anti-inflammatory properties; see discussion at Essential fatty acid interactions - The paradox of dietary GLA.

 

[dannyboy9]

coconut milk.

Thanks!:thumbsup: I've heard it isn't the best tasting and it's pretty greasy as well..

Oh, sorry. I just don't know much about milk.

It's ok lol. Thanks anyways!

So men shouldn't use GLA ?
I use GLA, I was under the impression that GLA helps produce the good eicosanoids .
Gamma-Linolenic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, a lack of GLA can occur when people grow older and their bodies become unable to produce it in sufficient quantities, or due to specific dietary deficiencies.I take GLA in a complex so I'm wondering as well...

 

[live4fitness]

We drink almond milk YUMMY!!!! THere is also almond cheese that is good. I have a child that can't handle milk, makes him a spaz same as sugar. And with the olive oil some can't handle the high heat I cook with grape seed oil YUMMY too.

 

[Motomatt]

My new friend Dr. Peter Tunbridge (Australia) told me a side chain is recognized by the estrogen receptor.
One thing is certain in the world of biologic systems: nothing is either all good or all bad.

Thanks for reply

We drink almond milk YUMMY!!!! THere is also almond cheese that is good. I have a child that can't handle milk, makes him a spaz same as sugar. And with the olive oil some can't handle the high heat I cook with grape seed oil YUMMY too.

All almond milks I've seen are loaded with sugar.

 

[live4fitness]

The one that I buy has no sugar if its not sweey enough for the kids I add stevia.

 

[RexGrandis]

So....is there anything that is supposed to be good for you that DOSEN'T contain estrogen? Next thing they'll be telling us there's estrogen in whey protein!

 

[Motomatt]

The one that I buy has no sugar if its not sweey enough for the kids I add stevia.

What brand is the almond milk ? Stevia is my favorite sweetener.

 

[live4fitness]

Pacific natural foods makes the Almond milk we drink. I bet the one you read is Almond breeze milk. That does have cane sugar in it. It is sweetened with brown rice sweetener. I believe that is the brown rice syrup. My son can have this as a sweetener just not sugar. Glad to hear someone else knows of stevia. We love it.

 

[Motomatt]

Pacific natural foods makes the Almond milk we drink. I bet the one you read is Almond breeze milk. That does have cane sugar in it. It is sweetened with brown rice sweetener. I believe that is the brown rice syrup. My son can have this as a sweetener just not sugar. Glad to hear someone else knows of stevia. We love it.

Pacificfoods Almond milk has to many sugars for me, thats a bummer they put brown rice sweetener in it.
They have a nice variety of milks(Almond,Hazelnut,Organic Oat,Multi Grain, and Rice)
I wish they used no sweetener or stevia.

 

[live4fitness]

Oh sorry. from the reasearch I have done the brown rice syrup work differently with your glucose levels than sugar and my son does well with it.

 

[Motomatt]

Oh sorry. from the reasearch I have done the brown rice syrup work differently with your glucose levels than sugar and my son does well with it.

No need to be sorry, Pacific natural foods makes some nice milks,
I just like to keep my bf very low( 4 -7%) for over 30 yrs.

 

[live4fitness]

WOW now that is amazing. My husband competes at ~ 2-3%. If my memorie serves me. That is awesome.

 

[dannyboy9]

Just wanted to add some more stuff I found..just for the heck of it. Why not?:icon_lol:

During each day of our lives, we are exposed to oxidative stress. Our bodies produce free radicals, unstable molecules that cause harm to our body’s cells as a by-product of normal metabolism. Exposure to a variety of environmental factors, such as cigarette smoke and environmental pollutants, also increases our susceptibility to free radicals.

The resulting oxidative damage has been implicated in a number of chronic health conditions. Therefore, it is important to consume adequate amounts of dietary antioxidants to reduce the oxidative stress and maintain overall health.

A growing amount of cell culture/test tube (1-3), animal(4-6), and human (7-12) research suggests that the isoflavones in soy are powerful antioxidants. Studies have reported that soy isoflavones alone (1) and in combination with vitamin C (2) reduce the oxidation of plasma LDL cholesterol. Scientific research has also suggested that soy consumption reduces plasma LDL cholesterol oxidation— the oxidation process turns bad LDL into a form that is even worse! (4) —and inhibits oxidative damage to the skin (5).

Several human clinical studies have demonstrated the beneficial antioxidant effects of soy. In one study, it was reported that higher amounts of isoflavones reduced lipid oxidation to a greater extent than low isoflavone amounts (7). Other studies have shown that soy isoflavones reduce markers of oxidative damage (8-10) and improve total antioxidant status (10-11). Furthermore, in a study of breast cancer survivors, consumption of soy isoflavones increased the antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase (12). Overall, these studies suggest that adding soy to your diet may help to support better antioxidant status.

So, while many forms of stress can alter your health and outlook on life through oxidative damage, including antioxidants from soy isoflavone-rich foods and supplements in your daily diet can help to reduce the effects of everyday stress.

References:

1. Hodgson JM, Croft KD, Puddey IB, Mori TA, Beilin LJ. Soybean isoflavonoids and their metabolic products inhibit in vitro lipoprotein oxidation in serum. Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry 1996; 7:664-669.

2. Hwang J, Sevanian A, Hodis HN, Ursini F. Synergistic inhibition of LDL oxidation by phytoestrogens and ascorbic acid. Free Radical Biology & Medicine 2000; 29:79-89.

3. Rimbach G, De Pascual-Teresa S, Weins BA, Matsugo S, Uchida Y, Minihane AM, Turner R, Vafeiadou K, Weinberg, PD. Antioxidant and free radical scavenging activity of isoflavone metabolites. Xenobiotica 2003; 33:913-925.

4. Damasceno NRT, Goto H, Rodrigues FMD, Dia CTS, Okawabata FS, Abdalla DSP, Gidlund M. Soy protein isolate reduces the oxidizability of LDL and the generation of oxidized LDL autoantibodies in rabbits with diet-induced atherosclerosis. Journal of Nutrition 2000; 130:2641-2647.

5. Wei H, Zhang X, Wang Y, Lebwohl M. Inhibition of ultraviolet light-induced oxidative events in the skin and internal organs of hairless mice by isoflavone genistein. Cancer Letters 2002; 185:21-29.

6. Aoki H, Otaka Y, Igarashi K, Takenaka A. Soy protein reduces paraquat-induced oxidative stress in rats. Journal of Nutrition 2002; 132:2258-2262.

7. Wiseman H, O’Reilly JDO, Adlercreutz H, Mallet AI, Bowey EA, Rowland IR, Sanders TAB. Isoflavone phytoestrogens consumed in soy decrease F2-isoprostane concentrations and increase resistance of low-density lipoprotein to oxidation in humans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 2000; 72:395-400.

8. Djuric Z, Chen G, Doerge DR, Heilbrun LK, Kucuk O. Effect of soy isoflavone supplementation on markers of oxidative stress in men and women. Cancer Letters 2001; 172:1-6.

9. Davis JN, Kucuk O, Djuric Z, Sarkar FH. Soy isoflavone supplementation in healthy men prevents NF-kB activation by TNF-a in blood lymphocytes. Free Radical Biology & Medicine 2001; 30:1293-1302.

10. Chen CY, Bakhiet RM, Hart V, Holtzman G. Isoflavones improve plasma homocysteine status and antioxidant defense system in healthy young men at rest but do not ameliorate oxidative stress inducedc by 80% VO2pk exercise. Annals of Nutrition & Metabolism 2005; 49:33-41.

11. Bazzoli DL, Hill S, DiSilvestro RA. Soy protein antioxidant actions in active, young adult women. Nutrition Research 2002; 22:807-815.

12. DiSilvestro RA, Goodman J, Dy E, LaValle G. Soy isoflavone supplementation elevates erythrocyte superoxide dismutase, but not ceruloplasmin in postmenopausal breast cancer survivors. Breast Cancer Research and Treatment 2005; 89:251-255.

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With all that being said, this is from someone that is trying to push a soy product so I don't know. There are references provided though...what do you all think?

 

[ksa]

really frustrated

so whats the best fat sources to consume on a daily basis.

 

[dannyboy9]

I think that some female sex hormones are also anti-oxidants. I get my anti-oxidants from tocopherols, CoQ10, bioflavanoids, Vit C, etc. I'll leave the female sex hormones to the ladies.

I'll get my antioxidants from carotenoids and flavonoids.

How many of these studies were conducted on women? NOT the same as men!

Judging from what the references say, I think 3 out of 10.

I think that soy ingestion makes a man not want to give up, even when they have lost an arguement--the same effect as estrogen.

JUST KIDDIN'!

lol I don't want to keep up with the debate, I just found that information so I wanted to post it. that's all :icon_lol:

 

[gdbear65]

I thought it was pretty funny myself but on another note, I did have a question. Typically I'm not a big fan of dairy milk but when I do drink it, I try to stick to organic skim milk for the low saturated fat content.Have you ever tried any other types of milk that you can personally recommend me aside from dairy?

I've studied this a little. Goat's milk is much better for you than cow's milk - it is much closer in composition to human breast milk than cow's milk. However, if you're going drink cow's milk, raw is the best for you, if you can get it. Next would be organic and last would be skim milk powder. Powder has fewer impurities than liquid milk.

 

[gdbear65]

The same is true of the phytoestrogens found in flax supplements.

You can drink flax seed oil all day, and it will not elevate DHA and EPA enough to make a difference. It will, however, raise your risk of prostate cancer, and increase the inflammatory response.

alpha-linolenic acid is known as "ALA".

You're the first person, besides myself, who realizes this. I read a long time ago that the lignans in flax can have an estrogenic effect on the body.

 

[dannyboy9]

Sorry, that was supposed to be humor.

You're obviously a very nice young man.

BTW, in rereading what I posted, I made a mistake: flavonoids are phytoestrogens as well.

No, no don't take it the wrong way. I got the humor and it made me laugh. For sure, LOL no need to apologize Dr.

Flavonoids = phytoestrogens?

Man what the heck! EVERYTHING'S a phytoestrogen.

Here's some info I posted on another board concerning flavonoids anc carotenoids...

Recent discoveries in phytonutrient science have revealed new secrets to achieving maximum antioxidant protection. Phytonutrients are specialized compounds found in fruits, vegetables, and plants. New classes of phytonutrients called flavonoids and carotenoids are found to provide the body with extremely potent antioxidant protection. We need antioxidant protection more today than ever before. Pollution, exposure to sunlight, stress, and even normal metabolism can produce free radicals, which damage the cells and DNA in our bodies. Antioxidants help protect cells from free radical damage.

Flavonoids are potent, water-soluble antioxidants that have been linked to healthy blood circulation, strong capillaries, and veins.
Flavonoids also deliver antioxidant protection to blood and blood-rich tissues, such as the liver and the intestines.
Unfortunately, few diets provide these important phytonutrients in significant quantities, since flavonoids are often found in
seeds, rinds, and skins, parts of fruits and vegetables that are likely to be tossed away during food preparation. Many people
dislike eating the skins of fruits and vegetables.

Citrus/Lemon bioflavonoids

• Found in the white layer of citrus peels
• Flavanones, hesperidin, and naringin have much greater flavonoid content than citrus juice.
• Provide free radical scavengers that bolster the body?s defense systems

Elderberry

• Important anthocyanidin flavonoids
• Supports healthy cardiovascular function

Grapeseed extract

• Proanthocyanidin flavonoids in grapeseed increase the antioxidant capacity of the blood.
• Promotes cardiovascular health by protecting the health of arteries
• Shown to have many times the antioxidant activity of vitamins C & E in laboratory studies

Green tea extract

• Green tea flavonoids help scavenge free radicals in the bloodstream.
• Shown to help maintain healthy hearts
• Used for centuries to support the immune system
• Each tablet of FlavoMax is equivalent to one cup of freshly brewed green tea.

Quercetin

• Found in apples, onions, grapes, and tea
• Maintains healthy lungs
• Protects against oxidation of LDL (so-called ?bad?) cholesterol

Alpha and beta carotene

• Found in broccoli, carrots, cantaloupe, and sweet potatoes
• Promotes proper night vision and eye health
• Linked to a healthy immune system*
• Works best when combined with other major carotenoids

Astaxanthin

• The pigment in algae and phytoplankton that gives salmon its pink color
• Protects against oxidative damage of LDL cholesterol
• Shown to have greater antioxidant properties than beta-carotene in laboratory tests
• The focus of a large and increasing number of research studies

Lutein and Zeaxanthin

• Yellow carotenoids found in yellow and green leafy vegetables
• The only carotenoids that concentrate in the eye, protecting its vulnerable photoreceptors
• Strongly connected to macular health
• Lutein helps support a healthy cardiovascular system.
• Zeaxanthin helps maintain a healthy immune system.

Lycopene

• The red pigment in tomatoes, strawberries, and watermelons
• An anti-aging carotenoid with the most potent antioxidant activity
• Clinically shown to support the prostate, cervix, immune system, and the cardiovascular system
• The most prevalent carotenoid in the bloodstream

I've studied this a little. Goat's milk is much better for you than cow's milk - it is much closer in composition to human breast milk than cow's milk. However, if you're going drink cow's milk, raw is the best for you, if you can get it. Next would be organic and last would be skim milk powder. Powder has fewer impurities than liquid milk.

I thought raw milk was dangerous to drink? I personally drink organic skim milk..

 

[gdbear65]

I thought raw milk was dangerous to drink? I personally drink organic skim milk..

Raw milk is actually very healthy for you. The problems with raw milk stemmed from unsafe handling and unsanitary conditions. Pasteurization kills most if not all the beneficial enzymes in milk and makes it harder to digest. In general, the enzymes in raw foods aid digestion, hence the reason for eating raw or el dente vegetables and raw fruit. You can eat raw meat too, but I wouldn't recommend it, unless you butcher the animal yourself.

 

[Grant]

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[Deccadick]

Any chance of getting some phytotestosterone in our foods?:toofunny:

 

[nelix]

damn...6 grams.....whew....is there any fish oil supps out there that i dont have to take like 30 of them a day to get that much???

Excuse me if this question was already answered, but if you get
Now brand Ultra Omega-3 each cap has 500mg of EPA and 250 of DHA, 180 of those for about 20 bucks is fairly awesome value.

Still to get 6grams total fish oil you need to take 2 of these with each large meal, although 6grams might be overkill since the EPA/DHA content is so high.

 

[Deccadick]

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/fish-complex-p-177.html

 

[nelix]

Great value, but I take fish oil for the EPA content.