stillinthegame
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Hello to all insane folk who dabble in the mystical world of cutting edge supplementaion and to us guinea pigs who are brave and sometimes stupid enough to experiment all for the sake of attaining ultimate muskel's.
I used to post here 3 or 4 years ago when prohormone were all the rage. My main foray was with homemade transderdals mainly 4-AD, 1-TEST and 4-OHT. These were very effective at both bulking and cutting aside from the hastle of spraying yourself twice a day and smelling like a sasquatch. Then M-1 TEST came along and blew the friggin doors off everyone at first but then it was found out rather quicky that shut down and liver damage were enormous. I used at first and nearly exploding in gains. After learning of the harsh nature I abanded this track and continued with the former, allways cycling and pct'ing correctly. Then the ban came and I stocked up big time. Then we had a lull as companies had to resort to new and improved creatine as a replacement. Well this lasted briefly until who the hell knows how this one got around the ban, our friend superdrol surfaced. Hailed as a safer version of M-!-TEST folks flocked to it, the gains were great, then as before we got the skinny that this too was not so great for you(a methyl..duh). Over the last two years I have used superdrol sparingly and responsibly and then an event happened that was the mother off all wake up calls and which will probably may save my life, or at least the quality of it. Last month I started getting gyno. It freaked me out beyond belief. I cryed and I finally said what the f am I doing to myself. Im 41 and otherwise in great health and shape. When I returned from my vacation a threw my entire stash out,everything prohormone related, all my transdermal stuff...everything.
I guess I wanted to introduce myself with this story and I know you all can do whatever you you want with your body, but if anyone is using methyl's or any other prohormones in my opinion you are doing more damage than you think. My libido has basically been sheet. i thought this was due to just being 40, but am convinced it was my ph use. Allthough I did not do bloodwork Im sure my values are not good, nor is my hormonal balance in general. Keep in mind this has all just been from occasional use of these compounds for about 5 years total.
My gyno issue is getting better. My last SD cycle ended Nov 15 and used proper pct(nolva). My gyno was noticed two weeks ago, about 2 months after cycle. My and others theory I have read is that SD can cause a delayed gyno effect.
My symptoms were itchy nipples and when I looked at myself from the side my pecs a bit droopy and more female in shape. The scariest part was when I squeezed one nipple and a tiny bit of white liquid came out. Again I cried and said Michael, what the hell are you doing? I truely believe that if this did not happen I would continue to used ph's for a long time inflicting who knows how much damage. All in the name of more muscle(I know many of you can relate with this obsession).
My protocol has been to start the nolva again, taper down to about 40mg and run it till things hopefully improve. The itch has allready left, there is no more lactation(thank God) but my pecs still look a bit not normal. I also think that being at a higher bodyfat % latley doesn't help their appearance. Im about 15 1/2% when Im usually around 12%. I don't really feel any unusual lumps aside of what I think are just muscle and have no soreness. My plan and please feel free to chime in is to continue running nolva, my issue is how long should I give it if Im not getting more results after a certain time. i read some running it 8 weeks. My other concern and theory is that you have a nolva rebound as estrogen is cut off not destroyed and when you discontinue the estrogen comes back with a vengence. My possible solution would be to run 6-OXO with it or after it as it is a suicide inhibitor? Any
thoughts?
My plan going foward is that I have purchased what seems like the best non suppresive stuff out there right now. so I have activate, anabolic pump, junglewarfare and bad ass mass,allthough that says to cycle and I need to search the forum for details.
One of my main goals other than the gyno is restoring my
libido. i forgot to mention that I am also using clomid for the first time to see if it can bring the boys back. The catch 22 is that these both along with 6-oxo lower your libido and should
I save the libido enhancers till this pct protocol is done? Or will they cancel out each other or work to counter the low wood?
I know this is along post and have many questions, but Im hoping my past vast supplementation knowledge can be contributed here.
So, 6-oxo with nova or after?
activate now during pct or after?
Anablic pump when?
Bad-ass mass when if at all?
Any other supp suggestions?
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
Michael.
I used to post here 3 or 4 years ago when prohormone were all the rage. My main foray was with homemade transderdals mainly 4-AD, 1-TEST and 4-OHT. These were very effective at both bulking and cutting aside from the hastle of spraying yourself twice a day and smelling like a sasquatch. Then M-1 TEST came along and blew the friggin doors off everyone at first but then it was found out rather quicky that shut down and liver damage were enormous. I used at first and nearly exploding in gains. After learning of the harsh nature I abanded this track and continued with the former, allways cycling and pct'ing correctly. Then the ban came and I stocked up big time. Then we had a lull as companies had to resort to new and improved creatine as a replacement. Well this lasted briefly until who the hell knows how this one got around the ban, our friend superdrol surfaced. Hailed as a safer version of M-!-TEST folks flocked to it, the gains were great, then as before we got the skinny that this too was not so great for you(a methyl..duh). Over the last two years I have used superdrol sparingly and responsibly and then an event happened that was the mother off all wake up calls and which will probably may save my life, or at least the quality of it. Last month I started getting gyno. It freaked me out beyond belief. I cryed and I finally said what the f am I doing to myself. Im 41 and otherwise in great health and shape. When I returned from my vacation a threw my entire stash out,everything prohormone related, all my transdermal stuff...everything.
I guess I wanted to introduce myself with this story and I know you all can do whatever you you want with your body, but if anyone is using methyl's or any other prohormones in my opinion you are doing more damage than you think. My libido has basically been sheet. i thought this was due to just being 40, but am convinced it was my ph use. Allthough I did not do bloodwork Im sure my values are not good, nor is my hormonal balance in general. Keep in mind this has all just been from occasional use of these compounds for about 5 years total.
My gyno issue is getting better. My last SD cycle ended Nov 15 and used proper pct(nolva). My gyno was noticed two weeks ago, about 2 months after cycle. My and others theory I have read is that SD can cause a delayed gyno effect.
My symptoms were itchy nipples and when I looked at myself from the side my pecs a bit droopy and more female in shape. The scariest part was when I squeezed one nipple and a tiny bit of white liquid came out. Again I cried and said Michael, what the hell are you doing? I truely believe that if this did not happen I would continue to used ph's for a long time inflicting who knows how much damage. All in the name of more muscle(I know many of you can relate with this obsession).
My protocol has been to start the nolva again, taper down to about 40mg and run it till things hopefully improve. The itch has allready left, there is no more lactation(thank God) but my pecs still look a bit not normal. I also think that being at a higher bodyfat % latley doesn't help their appearance. Im about 15 1/2% when Im usually around 12%. I don't really feel any unusual lumps aside of what I think are just muscle and have no soreness. My plan and please feel free to chime in is to continue running nolva, my issue is how long should I give it if Im not getting more results after a certain time. i read some running it 8 weeks. My other concern and theory is that you have a nolva rebound as estrogen is cut off not destroyed and when you discontinue the estrogen comes back with a vengence. My possible solution would be to run 6-OXO with it or after it as it is a suicide inhibitor? Any
thoughts?
My plan going foward is that I have purchased what seems like the best non suppresive stuff out there right now. so I have activate, anabolic pump, junglewarfare and bad ass mass,allthough that says to cycle and I need to search the forum for details.
One of my main goals other than the gyno is restoring my
libido. i forgot to mention that I am also using clomid for the first time to see if it can bring the boys back. The catch 22 is that these both along with 6-oxo lower your libido and should
I save the libido enhancers till this pct protocol is done? Or will they cancel out each other or work to counter the low wood?
I know this is along post and have many questions, but Im hoping my past vast supplementation knowledge can be contributed here.
So, 6-oxo with nova or after?
activate now during pct or after?
Anablic pump when?
Bad-ass mass when if at all?
Any other supp suggestions?
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
Michael.