[R3d]

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[poison]

Citrulline won't in and of itself aid fat loss, though it may allow you to increase the level of intensity and duration of excercise, as well as aid recovery.

[R3d]

What's something to aid in fat loss (not scale weight)?

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by R3d

What's something to aid in fat loss (not scale weight)?

If you are looking for fat loss, then look towards ppar-alpha supplements like SesaThin and TTA.

ALCAR and citrulline will help in an indirect way for fat loss, although ALCAR does have a direct manner of helping. Try that stack for a while and add some K-R-ALA or Na-R-ALA for glucose sensitizing and nutrient repartioning.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by Rodja

If you are looking for fat loss, then look towards ppar-alpha supplements like SesaThin and TTA.

ALCAR and citrulline will help in an indirect way for fat loss, although ALCAR does have a direct manner of helping. Try that stack for a while and add some K-R-ALA or Na-R-ALA for glucose sensitizing and nutrient repartioning.

Going to agree here. The best combo for fat loss that doesn't involve stimulants is a cAMP booster like forskolin and a PPAR agonist like SesaThin.

If stim's are a go - then add EC to the above stack. Other options are availible, but these should be fat loss staples for most.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by Stay Puft

Going to agree here. The best combo for fat loss that doesn't involve stimulants is a cAMP booster like forskolin and a PPAR agonist like SesaThin.

If stim's are a go - then pure EC is right on.

I don't think stims would be a good idea b/c he is more concerned about endurance and they might make his cardio suffer, but I still see your point.

[R3d]

The reason I'm trying to improve my cardio performance is so I can drop BF.

If a stimulant reduces my ability in cardio performance (assuming it doesn't interfere with weight training), but makes up for it with fat loss, then I don't mind .

EC=?

[R3d]

Any other recommendations?

ppar-alpha supplements like SesaThin and TTA

How accurate are these compared to a stim?

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by R3d

Any other recommendations?



How accurate are these compared to a stim?

I'm not sure accurate was an appropriate word choice. Perhaps you could clarify this question and I will gladly respond .

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Rodja

ALCAR and citrulline will help in an indirect way for fat loss, although ALCAR does have a direct manner of helping. Try that stack for a while and add some K-R-ALA or Na-R-ALA for glucose sensitizing and nutrient repartioning.

According to this:
alpha lipoic acid | acetyl L-carnitine
another very good reason to take some form of ALA with ALCAR is that ALCAR without ALA will cause an increase in oxidative damage.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by Boris

According to this:
alpha lipoic acid | acetyl L-carnitine
another very good reason to take some form of ALA with ALCAR is that ALCAR without ALA will cause an increase in oxidative damage.

I think ALA is too bloody expensive and prefer NAC, which I get a good dose of from SytheSize. I also take about 4-6g of vitamin C daily.

I've read the studies that suggest ALA/ALCAR to be taken together, but it I've never wasted my money on ALA, partially due to the quality issues of commercially availible products.