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    I dont even know what to take anymore...


    well PP sounds like it would be fun to take...but im too young as of now ( i know this dont need to be told...thinking of ****ing up my bod this early scares me) so PP is out...i wanna take AP and JW but im not sure if AP will do that great since im taking shock therapy and storm and those have ALA's in them...

    i dont know what to use anymore my diet is down my workouts are perfect for me im just for some reason bummed my parents say they will try and help me with BB'in but they dont and dont understand why i wont eat certain things ect.. it just frustrates me ...i want to take something that will dramatically help me increase in mass i was debating on AP/JW/E-bol but who knows...im ****ing poor

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    Quote Originally Posted by East1600Plus
    im ****ing poor
    If you are ****ing poor, then why on Earth are you even considering all these EXPENSIVE supplements?

    How long have you actually been training? Why not see what a solid diet and cosistant training can do (you'll be surprised)? From all the threads you've started it seems to me that you are way to obcessed with supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstabile
    If you are ****ing poor, then why on Earth are you even considering all these EXPENSIVE supplements?

    How long have you actually been training? Why not see what a solid diet and cosistant training can do (you'll be surprised)? From all the threads you've started it seems to me that you are way to obcessed with supplements.
    yes i do like taking supplements b/c i want to take my body extreme i want to actual see if its possible to make it pro status...

    i do eat clean i train my ass off...AP sounds great but yeah....PP sounds awesome too u know??? its just all the sides and dangers
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    it's all about patience in reality. You are 18 and seeing as you seem motivated now, you will definitely see the fruits of your labors come on steadily if you dial every variable in before jumping on the "enhanced" bandwagon.

    Many times when I person considers their diet and training on point, it takes an objective point of view to set them straight.

    If I had this resource of natty info available when I was 18, I would have been a very happy young man.
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    hmmm well it just seems like im lost on what to try (natural side of things that is)

    I hate PH's!...so tempting to try....its like candy while dieting u wanna have them but you cant
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    Well, I remember reading that you've taken superdrol some time ago so get some bloods taken, see how you are doing now and then focus on diet and then training. When tweaking your diet go into the most anal detail, e.g. Take micro-nutrients, GI and GL into account.

    I know popping a cap is easier but in the long run it's your diet and lifestyle that will dictate your physique and health, not a pill or syringe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziricote
    Well, I remember reading that you've taken superdrol some time ago so get some bloods taken, see how you are doing now and then focus on diet and then training. When tweaking your diet go into the most anal detail, e.g. Take micro-nutrients, GI and GL into account.

    I know popping a cap is easier but in the long run it's your diet and lifestyle that will dictate your physique and health, not a pill or syringe.
    what?? i never said i've taken superdrol lol, i have yet to do a PH stack

    that its true though that diet is the key to BB'in without a perfect diet even roids are useless
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    How many calories are u eatin a day? that is a big factor on your gains to add mass you have to overeat somewhat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdmf45
    How many calories are u eatin a day? that is a big factor on your gains to add mass you have to overeat somewhat.
    about 3600
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    try gettin to at least 4500 a day mostly clean calories you can cheat somewhat when bulking and then see what that does for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdmf45
    try gettin to at least 4500 a day mostly clean calories you can cheat somewhat when bulking and then see what that does for you
    more food! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by East1600Plus
    my workouts are perfect
    What are you workouts like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    What are you workouts like?
    perfect for me anyways

    Variations of HIT workout

    I'm going to bed as of now i can post my workout tomorrow
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    if your poor use creatine mono.
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    all i have to say is man, i wish i was 18 with the kind of knowledge that i have know. shoot, most of what i take is so i am 18 again, lol.

    seriously make the most of your youth now, because your hormones are going wild. save all that test and test "boosters" until later.

    you are entering your prime. just grab some bcaa's and creatine and eat like crazy. save all the other junk until your mid to late 20's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrw
    all i have to say is man, i wish i was 18 with the kind of knowledge that i have know. shoot, most of what i take is so i am 18 again, lol. ...
    Its funny, most of what I take is so I am 26 again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meowmeow
    Its funny, most of what I take is so I am 26 again.
    touche.
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    my workout routine

    Monday:
    Chest/Biceps/Calves/Abs

    Chest-
    Flat BB Bench:2 work sets forced reps
    Incline BB Bench: 2 Work Sets Forced reps
    Decline BB Bench: 2 work sets forced reps
    Bottom Partial Flyes-1 set
    Top Partial Flyes-1 set
    STREEEEETCH!

    Biceps
    BB curl: R/P
    Preacher Curl: 2 working sets
    then either wide grip or close grip curl:1 set
    drop set concentration curls

    Forearms wrist curls/reverse wrist curls
    STREEEEETCH!

    Calves
    Seated Calf Raises: 1 Set
    Leg Press raises:1 set

    ABS


    Tuesday:Hamstrings/Quads

    Quads:
    Squats: 2 sets
    Leg Press: 2 Sets
    Leg Extension: 1 set
    sissy squat STREETCH

    Hamstrings:
    SLDL:1 working set
    Leg Curls:1 working set
    STREEEETCH!


    Wed:OFF YAY!

    Thursday: BackWidth/Backthickness

    Back thickness:
    Dead Lift: Heavy set, Light set
    BB rows: overhand,underhand
    T-Bar Rows:2 sets

    Back Width:
    5 sets of Pullups
    Front Pulldowns:2 sets
    Rear Pulldown:R/P
    Lat Pulldown:R/P
    STREEEETCH!

    ABS!

    Friday: Shoulders/Triceps
    Shoulders:
    Rear Shoulder Press:2 sets
    Arnolds: 2 sets
    Read delt Raise: R/P
    Partials to the side: 2 Sets
    Front Raises: R/P

    Triceps:
    Skull crushers: R/P
    reverse grip Bench: 2 sets
    Bench Dips: 2 Sets
    Widow Dips: 20 reps
    STREEETCH!

    Abs again!

    sat/sun off

    usually do cardio on off days and then when i say 2 sets...they r forced reps on each set
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