creatine and cutting supps
- 11-26-2006, 07:06 PM
creatine and cutting supps
I'm coming off of a halodrol cycle and about to start taking n'gorge with my pct. I was wondering, can you take any type of fat burner while taking creatine and nitric oxide? I've never taken any type of diet pill and was curious. I don't know much about thermogenics. Thought that might be something I could do? Obviously I wouldn't want to take a diuretic while taking creatine. Any and all info please let me know.
- 11-26-2006, 07:30 PM
Well, personnaly, I respond "too" well to creatine, which makes me lose a lot of definition, and this will make cutting a lot more difficult for me. Up to you man. And no, it will not be dangerous.
11-26-2006, 07:36 PM
so you CAN take like...hydroxycut while on creatine? I would think that it would dry you out...and kinda defeat the purpose of the creatine.
11-26-2006, 07:37 PM
I don't think I'd call that responding too well to creatine, it's just one of the 'sides'. Generally I find that after a week of halting creatine supplementation the bloat is gone and my hard work is there to be seen so I wouldn't worry about using it during a cut.Originally Posted by jjohn
11-26-2006, 07:41 PM
IIRC, stimulants that are vasoconstrictors (ephedrine/ephedra) can be counterindicative if taken with vasodilators (NO's/yohimbine).
I would assess your tolerance and observe your reaction for headaches, chest pains, palpatations and such.
11-26-2006, 07:43 PM
cool...what kind of cutting supps have you guys used? What's the best in your oppinion for stripping fat and keeping muscle. I really only need to lose MAYBE eight lbs. I would like to do this maybe by x-mas. But as long as I lose like 3-4 lbs of fat by then I'll be happy.
11-26-2006, 07:45 PM
OK thanks. I wasn't planning on usiing any ephedra. I heard that the FDA banned it already after it was just re-released. Anyways, I've never taken a cutting supp and have looked around but don't see all that much info on them. I don't wanna take hydroxycut hardcore cause it's kinda up there in price and I hate supporting muscletech but it's the only one I really know of that I know for sure works. So if anyone has any info on good supps PLEASE pass it on.Originally Posted by B5150
11-27-2006, 09:14 AM
NO products work great with thermogenics(efedra free). But leave creatine out of this. I recommend an NO product mixed with bulk yohimbine, bulk green tea and bulk cafeine. This will give you a great stimulant effect, it will make you leanner without loosing mass and will help a lot on vascularity.
11-27-2006, 11:30 AM
This is why too is in brackets. I respond extremely well, but I seem to gain an incredible amount of water and I really hate it. I never saw someone retain water like I do when on mono... Anyways.. That was just my 2 cents.Originally Posted by Ziricote
11-27-2006, 02:25 PM
Mono? Do you not use CEE or any of the more efficiant forms of creatine? Mono is notorious for causing water bloat.Originally Posted by jjohn
11-27-2006, 04:27 PM
I wouldn'y mix the NO-product with Green Tea or Caffeine since that would kind of defeat the purpose. They would cancel each other out.Originally Posted by leanmass
11-27-2006, 04:32 PM
11-27-2006, 04:46 PM
Along with a solid diet for starters...Supplements are exactly that, they supplement a good diet and exercise program..Originally Posted by yeahright
11-27-2006, 05:07 PM
11-27-2006, 11:13 PM
I did use CEE also, but I have had better pumps with mono, and better results so I might stick to this one. I am considering CG but I ain't too sure yet.Originally Posted by Ziricote
12-02-2006, 01:52 AM
Well the plan's not to sit on the bouch all day and just use a suplement to try and lose weight. I'm not angry or anything. But don't automatically assume someone's an idiot when they ask a question. I do cardio three times a week and I eat fairly well. There are times sometimes when I can't eat as well as i would like. But for the most part, I get my protein, stay away from fried foods, all that stuff. Just looking to try and get rid of a few pounds around the waist that won't budge even with the cardio and diet.Originally Posted by yeahright
12-02-2006, 03:02 AM
Well then green tea extract has solid scientific evidence behind it as a long term weight maintenance agent.Originally Posted by calidood
Synergy Muscle has a new product currently called Yellow Gold (being renamed) that's out of stock at the moment but about to be re-released that has great user feedback (taking it myself). Try a search here at AM for "yellow gold" to learn more.
CLA has some decent scientific evidence for long-term weight management.
Chitosan just got a boost in a double-blind placebo controlled study posted in the Journal of Clinical Nutrition showing that taking it with fatty meals prevents absorbtion of the fats.
IBE has an interesting energy pill called X-Force which has rave reviews and no apparent side effects.
12-02-2006, 04:06 AM
Thanks for the info. I thought about taking CLA for a while and see how it is. I hear it's good for keeping off fat and keeping on muscle. Yellow Gold huh? I'll check that out. Thanks again for the help.Originally Posted by yeahright
12-02-2006, 09:13 PM
Ephedrine is the best cutting supp. period. You can still buy it. It's legal because of it's purposes for asthma. Look for a product called Vasapro or Vasopro I forget the spelling. I would do your research on this because you can overdose and die. Just a warning to stick to the recommended dose. I would check BP regularly. I had a random nose bleed taking too much one time. BP was sky high. Supporting supps. would be a great idea. I wouldn't start cutting untill you solidfy you gains from the PH. It would suck if you cut all your gains away.Originally Posted by calidood
12-03-2006, 12:04 AM
Yeah I was thinking about that. I'll probably wait until like a month and a half after I had finished the PH. I was thinking about thermo shred. I got a hold of a bottle for like 10 bucks from some guy who had bought 3 bottles for cheap and only needed 2. You guys ever tried it?Originally Posted by TexN343
12-03-2006, 12:22 AM
The product's name is Anabolic-Pump, it's a refined version of "Yellow Gold" and will surely prove itself.Originally Posted by calidood
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