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Cholestatic Jaundice & IgA Nephropathy Induced by OTC Muscle Building Agent Superdrol

rmag2447

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Cholestatic Jaundice & IgA Nephropathy Induced by OTC Muscle Building Agent Superdrol

Now I am no expert in the realm of ph/ps's, but I thought this might be of interest to some of you who use these type of products.

The American Journal of Gastroenterology
Online Early
doi:10.1111/j.1572-0241.2006.00735.x
Volume 0 Issue 0


CASE REPORT

Cholestatic Jaundice and IgA Nephropathy Induced by OTC Muscle Building Agent Superdrol

, Beata Jasiurkowski, M.D.1, Jaya Raj, M.D.1, David Wisinger, M.D.1, Richard Carlson, M.D.1, Lixian Zou, M.D.1, and Abdul Nadir, M.D.1

Over the counter (OTC) medicines are commonly used in the United States despite a lack of scientific evidence for clinical utility and toxicity associated with their use. A case of jaundice and IgA nephropathy as a consequence of use of a muscle enhancing OTC supplement that was advertised as innocuous with no hormonal activity is described. IgA nephropathy has not been described previously in association with the use of testosterone. The case highlights that, besides adulteration, the misrepresentation of chemicals present in OTC medications and supplements can create confusion and a false sense of security with their use.

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rmag2447 said:
Now I am no expert in the realm of ph/ps's, but I thought this might be of interest to some of you who use these type of products.

The American Journal of Gastroenterology
Online Early
doi:10.1111/j.1572-0241.2006.00735.x
Volume 0 Issue 0


CASE REPORT

Cholestatic Jaundice and IgA Nephropathy Induced by OTC Muscle Building Agent Superdrol

, Beata Jasiurkowski, M.D.1, Jaya Raj, M.D.1, David Wisinger, M.D.1, Richard Carlson, M.D.1, Lixian Zou, M.D.1, and Abdul Nadir, M.D.1

Over the counter (OTC) medicines are commonly used in the United States despite a lack of scientific evidence for clinical utility and toxicity associated with their use. A case of jaundice and IgA nephropathy as a consequence of use of a muscle enhancing OTC supplement that was advertised as innocuous with no hormonal activity is described. IgA nephropathy has not been described previously in association with the use of testosterone. The case highlights that, besides adulteration, the misrepresentation of chemicals present in OTC medications and supplements can create confusion and a false sense of security with their use.

Full study attached
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Great article. I guess this stuff just isn't candy, who woulda thunk it??
 
Well this actually makes me nervous, because if congress is thinking about forcing the FDA to regulate the supp industry, this study is all they will need.
 
What is igA nephropathy?


Definitely NOT candy. I was one of the first users of the first batch of SD. I said it was rat poison then, and I stand by my claim lol.
 
bioman said:
What is igA nephropathy?


Definitely NOT candy. I was one of the first users of the first batch of superdrol. I said it was rat poison then, and I stand by my claim lol.
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Deposition of IgA in the glomeruli of the kidney; impairs filtering function and is typically associated with high cholesterol.

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canadian champ said:
Deposition of IgA in the glomeruli of the kidney; impairs filtering function and is typically associated with high cholesterol.

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explains why my cholesterol has been high ever since superdrol..

even with support supps, it was high. Havent used it in a good while though, so will see next blood test.
 
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Was there a toxicology to confirm the lack of alcohol or illegal drug use.

There is no medical history.

Just read for a second what they are stating.

"Although the ocurrence of IgA nephropathy with the use of superdrol may be purely coincidental, the temporal association of the onset of jaundice and IgA nephropathy with the consumption of superdrol implies that the association is more than just casual. Because there have been no reports of renal toxicity associated with the use of testosterone we speculate that IgA nephropathy most likely occured secondary to hepatic dysfunction and resultant hypergammgobulinemia induced by superdrol."

It is either coincidental or associated.
It is most likely secondary to hepatic dysfunction.
No reports of testosterone renal toxicity.

If he had hepatic dysfunction prior to the use of superdrol it surely would have caused serious health risks.

Testosterone is not a methylated oral steroid.

This could have easily been caused (coincidentally associated) by D-Bol, anadrol or any other oral steroid.

To exclusively target superdrol is unfair. To suggest that it is more or less dangerous than any other methylated steroid is erronious in my opinion.
 
Well, to be fair this case was dealing with superdrol only. I'm sure there are many orals that could give the same results but due to a few issues it'll be hard to get solid results.

1. Patients actually coming clean with their history and use.
2. Patients actually knowing their state prior to starting these drugs.

My M1T abuse several years ago led to some very severe problems. My docs never knew I was taking M1T though. They thought I drank too much but I don't drink so that may be able to help draw comparisons. So while Superdrol in this case possibly gave these results we can only really come up with a look at possible effects when abuse/misuse and perhaps combined effects with alcohol etc.


Basically this tells me what i already knew...Superdrol can be very hazerdous when misused/abused and you should always have bloodwork and constant checkups done when taking these orals.
 
I agree this could happen with any oral aas if abused.

If the case study showed that the individual had no history of drug/alcohol abuse the issue was not congenital (sp?) then that would truly say something. However, it would still be something we already know. If you use to large a dose or orals or use them for too long you'll hurt yourself, if you do both you might just kill yourself or shorten you lifespan.
 
B5150 said:
Was there a toxicology to confirm the lack of alcohol or illegal drug use.

There is no medical history.

Just read for a second what they are stating.

"Although the ocurrence of IgA nephropathy with the use of superdrol may be purely coincidental, the temporal association of the onset of jaundice and IgA nephropathy with the consumption of superdrol implies that the association is more than just casual. Because there have been no reports of renal toxicity associated with the use of testosterone we speculate that IgA nephropathy most likely occured secondary to hepatic dysfunction and resultant hypergammgobulinemia induced by superdrol."

It is either coincidental or associated.
It is most likely secondary to hepatic dysfunction.
No reports of testosterone renal toxicity.

If he had hepatic dysfunction prior to the use of superdrol it surely would have caused serious health risks.

Testosterone is not a methylated oral steroid.

This could have easily been caused (coincidentally associated) by D-Bol, anadrol or any other oral steroid.

To exclusively target superdrol is unfair. To suggest that it is more or less dangerous than any other methylated steroid is erronious in my opinion.
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I think this whole "study" is more than just unfair. Notice how it ended with a recommendation for government oversight and control? Although the article clearly states that the "Hispanic" bodybuilder had no family history of liver disease, it failed to mention how that information was obtained. Did they rely soley on the paitient's word?
I'm having a problem with the math. The "study" said the patient stopped using the superdrol at the onset of "diffuse skin itching". However it also says he took 72 superdrol pills. He started off taking one a day for 2 weeks so that left him with another 58 pills to take, right? If he went to 2 per day for another 4 weeks he would have only taken 56 pills provided he was taking them 7 days per week. So that leaves me wondering exactly when did his "diffuse itching" start? Did he go a full 6 weeks on the superdrol? And if he did, how do we know it was the superdrol that caused the itching symptom since that's what sent him to the doctor in the first place? Oh and while I'm at it, when did he pop the last 2 pills? On the way to the doctor's office?
What I'm getting at is that the people who did this "study" have an agenda. They must because if a schlub like me can ask these questions then why didn't the esteemed, learned doctors? Why weren't these discrepancies picked up by the editors at the American Journal of Gastroenterology? I'll tell you why because they are in league with Big Pharma and if you follow the money, you'll see that they stand to make a LOT more profit if they can take control of supplements out of our hands so that we need a prescription from our all-knowing doctor just to get a stinkin' vitamin C. Look what they did with k-Dur.
There. My rant is over... for now.
 
I think it's very likely the patient took waaaay too much SD and the problem is more due to overdose than to some incredible level of toxicity of a normal 10-30 mg dosing schedule.

A lot of people also probably make the mistake of taking Tylenol on these oral cycles..or drinking..or injecting paint thinner..you just never know.

That said, I still think it is rat poison. LOL
 
bioman said:
That said, I still think it is rat poison. LOL
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Even if studies showed without a doubt that superdrol causing x, y, and z, people would still take it because they think they are invincable. Just knowing that this is possible and you still can pop those pills is rather ignorant in my book. If you are truly concerned about your body then you should be taking care of it, not just how it looks on the outside either, because how much good is that gonna do you when you die young....
 
Very true, but one also has to consider the weight of anecdotal evidence. Yes, I said the "A" word and even with a background in science, I still think the anecdotal realm has some weight to it.

Consider how many millions of guys that have used..and likely misused superdrol and yet we do not see or hear about a sharp rise in liver replacements or choleostatic events.

That's not to say that SD is safe..it is not..but overall, I think we have a fair idea of what it's level of toxicity is, how to use it safely and recover without incident. With any drug or supplement there is always a statistical out liar, a person with a sensitivity, pre-existing condition, or someone who just plain misused the product to the point of absurdity...the case of the WWE wrestler who took several hundred milligrams for a week thinking that an OTC steroid had to be too weak for his mighty frame.

One should take all of these factors into consideration as well as new and emerging reports like this one.

And certainly, this crowd tends to be of the invincible mindset.
 
The moron ran superdrol for 6 weeks... twice the recommended duration... what did he expect? A happy liver?
 
geez i dont know what to make of this..other than now wanting to throw my remaining bottles in a fire....and what sucks is I paid the original price for the orig batch...money well spent (heavy sarascm)
 
R-Mac said:
geez i dont know what to make of this..other than now wanting to throw my remaining bottles in a fire....and what sucks is I paid the original price for the orig batch...money well spent (heavy sarascm)
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Do you drink, take Tylenol, or both? If you have a wife / girl that is on the pill?

I'm not saying superdrol is exactly like any of those products. People spend $800 for a bottle of Krys and 60 bucks a month for Depo and pop Tylenol and aspirin like candy. So why is money spent on SD any worse than money spent on any of these others.
 
On a Medline search, no reports of
testosterone-induced intersitital nephritis or IgA nephropa-thy
were found. IgA nephropathy is a kidney disorder char-acterized
by a predominant IgA deposition in the glomeru-lar
mesangium. Interestingly, IgA nephropathy has been as-sociated
with many liver diseases including alcoholic liver
disease, viral hepatitis A, B, and C, alpha-1-antitrypsin defi-ciency,
autoimmune hepatitis, Alagille syndrome, as well as
liver cirrhosis (2, 12, 13). Other causes of IgA mesangial de-posits
include familial, HIV infection, and gluten entheropa-thy
(14).


They did say he was positive for hepatitis A
 
Popa Murph said:
Do you drink, take Tylenol, or both? If you have a wife / girl that is on the pill?

I'm not saying superdrol is exactly like any of those products. People spend $800 for a bottle of Krys and 60 bucks a month for Depo and pop Tylenol and aspirin like candy. So why is money spent on superdrol any worse than money spent on any of these others.
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drink-a couple times a month
take tylenol-nope I never do
girl on the pill-no she isn't

money spent on superdrol isnt the same, there are plenty of studies on alcohol, the pill, and tylenol...and you know what you are getting into if you choose to partake in the use of one of them no matter what your volume of use is...however with SD, IMO you can't say the same, do you agree with that?.... a new "possible problem" comes up frequently


I liked SD, and got great results with it....but knowing what I know now, I don't know if I will run it again, and I don't think I would have ran it knowing what I know today
 
R-Mac,

I was an original buyer of SD, and it's funny because we knew everything about it today that we knew when it came out. The original testers all had work done and we knew that it wasn't going to be all butterflies and rainbows.

To say "I didn't know what it was or what it did" and be an active member on this forum means you really didn't do you homework before buying it.
 
warriorway said:
They did say he was positive for hepatitis A
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It does appear that he was +Hepatitis A. That is not due to chemical toxicity. Orofecal if I am not mistaken. Probably ate somewhere that an infected individual was handling food. Or had some clams on the halfshell from Warwick RI after a big rain storm :)
 
R-Mac said:
geez i dont know what to make of this..other than now wanting to throw my remaining bottles in a fire....and what sucks is I paid the original price for the orig batch...money well spent (heavy sarascm)
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I just finished a 4wk Superdrol cycle at 10/20/20/20 and my liver and cholesterol blood tests came back fine. It really does depend on your individual biology. Just do pre and post blood tests on your first cycle so you know how Superdrol effects you. I didn't even have any side effects... for me it was a great product, money definitely well spent.
 
TeamSavage said:
I just finished a 4wk Superdrol cycle at 10/20/20/20 and my liver and cholesterol blood tests came back fine. It really does depend on your individual biology. Just do pre and post blood tests on your first cycle so you know how Superdrol effects you. I didn't even have any side effects... for me it was a great product, money definitely well spent.
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Same here, blood work/liver and cholesterol before and after each cycle has been fine.... and I've done 3 cycles.... My only problem is I get very tired after my 2nd week..... Then again, every one is different.
 
doggzj said:
R-Mac,

I was an original buyer of superdrol, and it's funny because we knew everything about it today that we knew when it came out. The original testers all had work done and we knew that it wasn't going to be all butterflies and rainbows.

To say "I didn't know what it was or what it did" and be an active member on this forum means you really didn't do you homework before buying it.
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ummmm.... Where in my post did I say...."I didn't know what it was or what it did", I didn't!

who says i don't do homework? You?.. cause of a two line comment I made in a post on an article, come on bro seriously! I spend my time on here doing my homework and researching as opposed to posting, so don't state something that isnt true.

In fact its the research I have done here that makes me re-think if I would do it again, and also lead to my comment on the article. I have read a ton of feedback on SD, since I ran it, both positive( like the two bro's in this thread who recently ran it and had no issues with blood work) and negative and does what I have read make me think twice... you bet it does when it comes to my body.

In your post you say "we knew everything about it today that we knew when it came out."
So you are telling me that the 4 original testers (Brodus, Twin Peak, Dr. D & Lean One) came up with ALL the necessary feedback whether it was positive or negative on SD. SD was a new compound, that wasnt released to the masses, but 4 testers could account for all the positives or negative issues of a new designer compound, when we damn well know that a compound can effect multiple upon multiple people a different way, come on!......IMO they certainly gave us info to go on, and great feedback, but certainly not all of it.
You are also basically saying that in the 2 years since SD was released (it came out in November of 2004) the thousands upon thousands of threads and posts on SD provide no new infomation on SD, which again was a whole new compound to this community. So esentially you are saying that a any new compound or drug for that matter can't have new side effects or information on it after its original release date. That's narrow thinking to me!

I ran SD over 1 3/4 years ago, right when it came out and then ran it again about 5 months after that, and both times I had excellent results with zero side effects. If I run it again would I still come out with zero side effects? I hope so, but you never know, so If and when I do run it again I sure as hell want to know what everyone else has run up against while running it. Would I want to know that one of the bro's in this thread has had high cholesterol ever since he ran it, you bet and was that something we knew at the onset, we knew it may be an issue, but did we think it would be a prolonged issue? Would I want to know that some people claim they got delayed gyno from SD, I sure would, was that talked about when it came out, nope.....so i think you get my point...We haven't learned anything new?? come on I have learned a ton since it came out and will continue to do so.
 
I get your point, but you seem to miss mine.

We knew what Superdrol was as a compound. We knew similar compounds, and the possible side effect, the ones seen and the ones unseen.

Point being, that if you jumped into this compound without weighing those risks, then you made a huge mistake.
 
doggzj said:
I get your point, but you seem to miss mine.

We knew what Superdrol was as a compound. We knew similar compounds, and the possible side effect, the ones seen and the ones unseen.

Point being, that if you jumped into this compound without weighing those risks, then you made a huge mistake.
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Again, who said I didnt weigh the risks? Not me, and no where in my post did I say that. I did my research at the time I ran it. I know that there are risks associated with taking any sort of compound, some of which are unknown....but my point is now that based on feedback of what others have experienced it makes me think twice, I don't understand why that is seen as so unlogical or so wrong....I didnt experince any of it, so it just makes me think more if I will thats all

so if you say that I made a huge mistake jumping into a compound without weighing the risk (which i didnt't), I would agree thats foolish if someone does......on the flip side I will say its a big mistake for one to assume that all the risks & side effects of a compound are "on the table" within a few months of a brand new compound being rolled out.

I dont miss your point bro I get it, ....however my point contradicts your point, so we will not see eye to eye on this and thats ok..
 
R-Mac said:
Again, who said I didnt weigh the risks?
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... You did.

R-Mac said:
geez i dont know what to make of this..other than now wanting to throw my remaining bottles in a fire....and what sucks is I paid the original price for the orig batch...money well spent (heavy sarascm)
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R-Mac said:
I liked SD, and got great results with it....but knowing what I know now, I don't know if I will run it again, and I don't think I would have ran it knowing what I know today
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Here you are clearly saying that you are upset at buying Superdrol when it was launched and you don't know if you'd run it again. Clearly you did not wieght the risks correctly when you first ran it.
 
doggzj said:
... You did.





Here you are clearly saying that you are upset at buying Superdrol when it was launched and you don't know if you'd run it again. Clearly you did not wieght the risks correctly when you first ran it.
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:clap2: like I said we will go back and forth....I was well aware of my risks & did my research, so clearly you are assuming I didn't from a response to an article. I value feedback after the fact, apparently you don't
 
R-Mac said:
:clap2: like I said we will go back and forth....I was well aware of my risks & did my research, so clearly you are assuming I didn't from a response to an article. I value feedback after the fact, apparently you don't
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:clap2: k
 
I think the more interesting thing is that they gave him Ursodeoxycholic Acid at 600mg. 2X a day to help the liver...this is available OTC...good info.
 
swoody said:
The moron ran superdrol for 6 weeks... twice the recommended duration... what did he expect? A happy liver?
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I remeber when SD was first launched it was touted as M!T without the sides. This is as much the fault of the companies that manufacture these products as it is the people who misuse them. The warning labels on these products is no where sufficient considering the potential side effects. These susbtances are steroids plain and simple but you don't see the companies announcing htis loud and clear on the box. I agree that you can find out how to run a proper cycle if you are a member of internet forums but most people are not, out of all the wieghtlifters I know I am the only one that is. These supplements occupy a very grey area of the law and pose some health risk to the educated consumer and are downright dangerous to the uneducated one. Stop flaming people for misusing a substance that this marketed as safe and available over the counter. It is the irresponsible manufacturing of substances like this that is going to result in the entire industry being regulated.
 
Duely noted... the supp companies do need to do a much better job with their warning labels... but two dumb moves doesn't make a right one. It is both the consumers fault for not educating themselves before they put something in their body (only an idiot would do that) and the supp companies fault for not putting accurate warning labels on a product. Bottom line... uneducated consumers+poor warning labels=breeding ground for angry mothers, tyler Hooten-esque rampages and non-dumbass people loosing their dietary supplements.:)
 
whitedevil74 said:
I remeber when superdrol was first launched it was touted as M!T without the sides. This is as much the fault of the companies that manufacture these products as it is the people who misuse them. The warning labels on these products is no where sufficient considering the potential side effects. These susbtances are steroids plain and simple but you don't see the companies announcing htis loud and clear on the box. I agree that you can find out how to run a proper cycle if you are a member of internet forums but most people are not, out of all the wieghtlifters I know I am the only one that is. These supplements occupy a very grey area of the law and pose some health risk to the educated consumer and are downright dangerous to the uneducated one. Stop flaming people for misusing a substance that this marketed as safe and available over the counter. It is the irresponsible manufacturing of substances like this that is going to result in the entire industry being regulated.
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One the reasons I like this forum is because there is a generally understood precept to all supplement taking that is drilled into the readers head through out the board; namely

YOU ALONE are responcible for what you put into your own body!

I remember when Superdrol came out it was "pushed" just ahead of the 2004 Steroid precursuror ban, it was a new Designer(labs) steroid, which would provide similar gains as M1T, but without the bloat(water) and lethargy of M!T. The initial beta reports mentioned dubious or unknown heptoxicity. When the ban passed and superdrol sailed under the radar it was cloned and redistributed down the chain. The first users seemed to agree it was no M!T, they were looking for the bloated size gains and did not achieve the massive size of M1T. However, superdrol which was created out of a 5-AR family provided lean strength gains. This is a common effect of these types of steroid, as is heptoxicity.
Older guys will remember the "yellow eyes of winstrol users, like Ben Johnson 1988

There is a similar argument about the trans fat ban in NYC.
People have the choice and statistical evidence to make their own desicions. Why they trust manufactures and lable claims is a mystery to me , but it is these same people who get products banned. The ban ultimately saves those individuals who are either; too lazy, too stupid or too reckless to use a powerful drug like Superdrol. These are the people who make manufactures rich because they will buy the product based upon its hype and disregard everything else. That is why there is product called "Hyper-drol" and there is not one called "Relatively safe-less-effective-drol! Just like a guy selling unhealthy burgers the manufactures are just trying to make a buck.
If your find greed and avarice offensive then the supplement game is not for you. Most guys do not know what jaudice or renal failure feels like but, they do know they like it when their muscles are big and hard!!!

ps. I have used DS produts since they were shipped in little manilla drug envelopes and they always worked as advertized!
 
swoody said:
Duely noted... the supp companies do need to do a much better job with their warning labels... but two dumb moves doesn't make a right one. It is both the consumers fault for not educating themselves before they put something in their body (only an idiot would do that) and the supp companies fault for not putting accurate warning labels on a product. Bottom line... uneducated consumers+poor warning labels=breeding ground for angry mothers, tyler Hooten-esque rampages and non-dumbass people loosing their dietary supplements.:)
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I completely agree. I am sure that many kids have been harmed by this product who didn't have the mental capacity or reason to doubt the safety of this product. Moreover, if companies don't self regulate, then the FDA will step in and rain on our parade, rendering many other useful supplements extinct. Being a lawyer who handles litigation matters, I am considering pursuing action against some of the offending companies to get compensation for people legitimately injured. This will also provide an incentive for better self regulation. (I hope this doesn't unleash a huge ball of flame in my direction)
 
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Lawhammer said:
I completely agree. I am sure that many kids have been harmed by this product who didn't have the mental capacity or reason to doubt the safety of this product. Moreover, if companies don't self regulate, then the FDA will step in and rain on our parade, rendering many other useful supplements extinct. Being a lawyer who handles litigation matters, I am considering pursuing action against some of the offending companies to get compensation for people legitimately injured. This will also provide an incentive for better self regulation. (I hope this doesn't unleash a huge ball of flame in my direction)
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I see where you are coming from, and its a nice idea, but sorry bro, but I've got to go with anabolicrhino on this one. Attacking the companies themselves would only generate a backlash of MORE media-brewed sh1t and put the supplement companies under fire even more than they are now. Come to think of it, the only reason the labels are the way they are is to keep under the govornments radar so that non-idiots can use a legal, muscle building product without getting slapped with years in prison for steroid use (which is frekking REDICULOUS). Im sure that the companies would re-evaluate labels if there wasn't so much heat caused by angry mothers and people who didn't assume responsibility for themselves. In fact, I would like these products to be handled like alcohol is now... nobody under 21 purchasing, and with ID. But we all know that won't happen. The only reason the govornment stepped in and banned prohormones in the first place is because stupid people couldn't think for themselves and know what they are putting into their bodies and the possible risks that come along with it. THE GOVORNMENT THINKS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES. This same thing was tried with alcohol with Prohibition... and we all know how that went. So all that will happen if you go after the companies is more media-generated heat, aiding the bull**** cause of having the govornment step in and take away the products that people who actually do the research enjoy and use without any complications. DONT DO IT... because rest assured, you WILL generate a flaming fireball your way... just letting you know. You might as well attack the liquor companies as well in this case:) This isn't meant to flame ya bro... just re-stating what is already happening by going after supplement companies.
 
Lawhammer said:
I completely agree. I am sure that many kids have been harmed by this product who didn't have the mental capacity or reason to doubt the safety of this product. Moreover, if companies don't self regulate, then the FDA will step in and rain on our parade, rendering many other useful supplements extinct. Being a lawyer who handles litigation matters, I am considering pursuing action against some of the offending companies to get compensation for people legitimately injured. This will also provide an incentive for better self regulation. (I hope this doesn't unleash a huge ball of flame in my direction)
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If youre going to attack someone, dont attack the cloners of Superdrol, attack IDS. Why? because IDS puts superdrol and similar methyls into their supps then calls those supps "all natural". If anyone should be sued, its them and companies that do shady things like that!
 
rmag2447 said:
If youre going to attack someone, dont attack the cloners of Superdrol, attack IDS. Why? because IDS puts superdrol and similar methyls into their supps then calls those supps "all natural". If anyone should be sued, its them and companies that do shady things like that!
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That's the ole' "spikethe first batch" marketing approach!!!

It has been working so well for so long for so many!!!!

...and legally unstoppable without a complete shutdown of the alt med system....the most successful bans(ephedra, tryptophan) were voluntary in practice. Its like when the cops tell drug dealer that they can't sell on a certain street corner because its an election year...after the heats off they come back. Superdrol and progestin realted drugs are technical violations of the ban,..but would require legal action that could be appealed because of the wording of the law in reference to chemical structure of illicit materials used as material evidence.
The drug manufactures would get an aquittal on these grounds, but the legal cost would crush a smaller manufacturer. It works both ways as the prosecutors office knows that the court frowns on unwinnable cases, because they cost the tax payers money...so the system rolls on..."... right down the line!"
 
TAke an oral for 6 week and get liver problems. This is ... news?



"Gee hee hee I thought they was candy!!!" :blink:
 
The article is like saying a trampoline artist did a high wire act and fell to his death. It didnt mention if he had a safety net and/or was drunk before he did the stunts. Obvious.lly superdrol has potential sides is this really new news?rMost informed users that cycle it with the same attention to consumming the right ancillaries and support sups and use care in the 2-4 week plan have reported good results with limited health issues if any.
 
I don't think a lawsuit is going to fly against AB extreme although once the word steroid is thrown in there who knows.

You would have to prove that he took the recommended dose for the prescribed time and did not abuse this and no preexisting medical conditions. There are warning labels on the bottle.
I would bet five dollars this kid went to town on these and drank alchol at some point. If I was an opposing lawyer that is what I would look into most.
What kills me is they did away with very safe compunds(M4ohn) when they were trying to protect us.
 
everyone's got an opinion on this so here's mine: I don't care what happens man. If being stronger and having more mass for a few years means I gotta live with serious health problems for 10 years, personally, I'll take that. I want strength. It means that much to me.
 
spatch said:
TAke an oral for 6 week and get liver problems. This is ... news?
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It should be. It is common knowledge that the negative effects of oral steroids are way over rated. The original study that found orals to be liver toxic came from AIDs patients who had been on 150mg of Anadrol for a year and a half. The study also found that liver values of these AIDs patients returned to normal within 3 months of discontinuing the Anadrol (keep in mind that they already have a compromised immune system).
So, no one should have much of a problem with a six week cycle.
 
R-Mac said:
geez i dont know what to make of this..other than now wanting to throw my remaining bottles in a fire....and what sucks is I paid the original price for the orig batch...money well spent (heavy sarascm)
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I havent read anything here that would change my mind about using superdrol. As everyone has pointed out the study is both flawed and biased. The agenda is obvious.
 
DragonRider said:
It should be. It is common knowledge that the negative effects of oral steroids are way over rated. The original study that found orals to be liver toxic came from AIDs patients who had been on 150mg of Anadrol for a year and a half. The study also found that liver values of these AIDs patients returned to normal within 3 months of discontinuing the Anadrol (keep in mind that they already have a compromised immune system).
So, no one should have much of a problem with a six week cycle.
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The point is this schmo who got liver problems running a six weeker of sdrol should have been getting his bloodwork done, not drinking (which he probably was to end up in his condition) and doing his homework... the study you mentioned is a little out-dated, since from user experience quite a few orals are more liver-toxic than people were first led to believe. I can see where you are coming from, but the bottom line is he should have taken responsibility for his actions of running an oral for 6 weeks which is known to be a little toxic instead of crying like a b!atch as an excuse for his own stupidity. Anabolicrhino hit it right on the head.
 
okboy63 said:
I don't think a lawsuit is going to fly against AB extreme although once the word steroid is thrown in there who knows.

You would have to prove that he took the recommended dose for the prescribed time and did not abuse this and no preexisting medical conditions. There are warning labels on the bottle.
I would bet five dollars this kid went to town on these and drank alchol at some point. If I was an opposing lawyer that is what I would look into most.
What kills me is they did away with very safe compunds(M4ohn) when they were trying to protect us.
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Contrary to your opinion, it would be extrememly easy to prevail in a lawsuit filed against any company that manufactured or distributed that compound. I don't really want to get into details of what would have to be proved, but rest assured that your analysis is incomplete and incorrect.
 
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