I am trying out a NO2 hombrew for kicks!

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  1. Originally posted by institutional



    icex, do you see any kind of undesirable side effects with these no2 products, any types of toxicity? ive heard of some people questioning the product from safety perspective.
    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&thread****1609

    The evidence really isn't substansial.


  2. Originally posted by scotty2


    Doesn't CHUCK DIESEL pimp some glutamine nonsense? I know he suggested peopple take glutamine instead of protein. Don't know how much stock I would put in his products.
    You must be thinking of the wrong guy. Either way, it's a free bottle....
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  3. To anyone thinking about doing this, there is a simple way to determine the efficacy of Arginine AKG vs. Arginine alone. Get one of those $20 blood pressure monitors. The lower your blood pressure compared to normal, the more effective the product is. I'd be interested in somebody trying this and posting.

    Speaking of which the reason some people might not get effects from this is because they take stimulants or other substances that raise blood pressure.

    Originally posted by Sheesh


    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...;thread****1609

    The evidence really isn't substansial.
    I would agree with that statement to an extent. To those who haven't been following the debate at the Avant board, I'll bring you up to speed.

    First of all, the evidence might not be "substantial" as of yet according to some but none can deny that it is significant, seeing as evidence showing NO2 to cause muscle gain is insignificant. "Amazing pumps" is what you'll hear, and some reports of strength gains which could just as likely be due to placebo - and having increased vascularity definitely has a psychological benefit.

    In theory, NO2 causes increased nutrient delivery to the muscles because of increased vasodilation. But, since eNOS (or any other NOS isoform) is not locally distributed in muscle tissue, the vasodilation is systemic (happens in every part of the body). Thus, the proportion of nutrients delivered to the muscles is still exactly the same compared to every other part of the body. And there's positively nothing to suggest that increased systemic vasodilation would have positive health benefits, other than avoiding hypertension. But if you aren't worried about high blood pressure, this product should make you worry about low blood pressure. I want to emphasize this: ALL this product does is lower your blood pressure.

    Here's some things you should know:

    1)Go to pubmed (www.pubmed.org) and run a search for "excess dietary arginine." There are many studies done on this. You will find that when you have a disproportionately large amount of arginine in your diet, it will lead to lysine and methionine deficiency. So if you choose to supplement this product, you should supplement with both of these as well, but be aware that taking in too much methionine isn't a good thing either.
    2)AKG crosses the blood-brain barrier. AKG breaks down to glutamate. Increased glutamate levels in the brain are toxic, which happens to increase NO levels. It's not hard to put two and two together. We should be able to find out if this is happening for sure if AAKG actually does have a unique effect over arginine alone. I've found there may be a feedback mechanism that keeps straight arginine from having too significant of an effect on NO levels.
    3)Increasing nitric oxide levels in the body above normal levels can: Decrease testosterone production, weaken the blood-brain barrier, and increase the amount of free radicals in the bloodstream and elsewhere exponentially.

    David

  4. Originally posted by Sheesh


    You must be thinking of the wrong guy. Either way, it's a free bottle....
    Yes, Chucky did say that in a recent bb.com thread.

    "I grow the same on 20g or more grams/day as I did on 5-8 scoops of optimum whey, or 3 or 4 scoops of isopure."

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...lutamine+chuck

    I doubt there could be much harm in taking his product if you get it for free, it's got a bunch of good stuff in there... at miniscule doses.

    David

  5. Originally posted by shpongled

    I doubt there could be much harm in taking his product if you get it for free, it's got a bunch of good stuff in there... at miniscule doses.

    David
    Has he released the formula yet?

    And as for the glutamine issue, i don't see how it would work from a physiological/biochemical standpoint, but if it gives himself results, then sure, why not? He seems to preach the same mantra that I do thatmost of the protein in your diet should come from real food. Personally, I don't even take glutamine, but if it's working for him, then good for him. Right?
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  6. Originally posted by Sheesh


    Has he released the formula yet?
    Nevermind....
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  7. Ice,
    I just ordered some of Chuck's NOS yesterday and I too am anxiously awaiting it's arrival. When I bought regular NO2, it worked nice for me so I'm hoping Chuck's product will be even better. I guess we'll find out...

  8. Originally posted by lox450
    Ice,
    I just ordered some of Chuck's NOS yesterday and I too am anxiously awaiting it's arrival. When I bought regular NO2, it worked nice for me so I'm hoping Chuck's product will be even better. I guess we'll find out...
    Yup. Stuff doesn't ship out til the 27th though, so it'll be a while til either of us get it....be sure to post your results here, as I will...


    Alot of the ingredients in NOS precursor are the same as the ones in DFR, but I don't mind because I actually got noticeably increased pumps from DFR, even on non-workout days (maybe from gymnostemna?). With this product, as it has more Nitric Oxide stimulators, maybe it'll actually meet its claims of a huge perpetual pump, etc. I guess we'll have to just wait it out and see...

  9. Originally posted by shpongled
    First of all, the evidence might not be "substantial" as of yet according to some but none can deny that it is significant, seeing as evidence showing NO2 to cause muscle gain is insignificant.
    Dave, i'm just curious as to if you've read some of those new studies on weight training with occlusion coming out of Japan. I can dig them up if you'd like. I'd actually say that they support the claims that increased Nitric Oxide leads to muscle growth (significant growth actually, if you read the studies).

  10. Originally posted by Sheesh


    Dave, i'm just curious as to if you've read some of those new studies on weight training with occlusion coming out of Japan. I can dig them up if you'd like. I'd actually say that they support the claims that increased Nitric Oxide leads to muscle growth (significant growth actually, if you read the studies).
    I'd be very interested in seeing them, seeing as

    Training/muscle growth ---> Increased eNOS (responsible for the pump)

    But I have yet to see if the reverse is true. The NO levels induced by training are concentrated to muscle tissue, which is why there would be increased nutrient/oxygen delivery. Do these studies deal with systemic NO delivery, or NO delivery specific to muscle tissue? Because these supps we're talking about only cause systemic increases.

    David

  11. Originally posted by Sheesh


    Yup. Stuff doesn't ship out til the 27th though, so it'll be a while til either of us get it....be sure to post your results here, as I will...


    Alot of the ingredients in NOS precursor are the same as the ones in DFR, but I don't mind because I actually got noticeably increased pumps from DFR, even on non-workout days (maybe from gymnostemna?). With this product, as it has more Nitric Oxide stimulators, maybe it'll actually meet its claims of a huge perpetual pump, etc. I guess we'll have to just wait it out and see...
    The NO precursor ingredients may be of use. At least it doesn't contain AAKG, which is my main beef. But the OKG combined with arg. -may- exhibit the same effect. Either way it's a safer bet. From the limited research I've done on OKG there's evidence to go both ways.

    As for the propriety blend, gynostemma appears to be the only ingredient with some possible use. Still, the dosages for all seem much to low (what is less than a gram of ribose supposed to achieve?) And I don't see an effective delivery mechanism for the DIM. If I may, I would recommend taking it with some Vitamin E. Also I'd recommend supplementing with lysine to avoid lysine deficiency. Just my opinions....

    David

  12. It seems to me the that "The jury is still out" on all of the NO2 homebrews and others. Some in icex999's thread saw results some didn't. (I spent nearly 4 hours reading 23 pagtes last night)

    Personally, I am really curious to know about what people think of the quality of:

    Nitro-AKG
    &
    NOS Precursor

    Like everyone else price is a major consideration to me. However, RESULTS are the most important.

    My major concern based on the opions of others that I've read both here and on BB.com has been that this product gives you a great perpetual pump. However, there lack of information that it ADDS muscle. I do not want to put extra time and money into a product that makes me look like I just left the gym. I wanna GROW and do the other on my on!

    Keep me posted guys! Peace
    MB - The Celtic Conqueror

  13. Originally posted by The Conqueror
    It seems to me the that "The jury is still out" on all of the NO2 homebrews and others. Some in icex999's thread saw results some didn't. (I spent nearly 4 hours reading 23 pagtes last night)

    Personally, I am really curious to know about what people think of the quality of:

    Nitro-AKG
    &
    NOS Precursor

    Like everyone else price is a major consideration to me. However, RESULTS are the most important.

    My major concern based on the opions of others that I've read both here and on BB.com has been that this product gives you a great perpetual pump. However, there lack of information that it ADDS muscle. I do not want to put extra time and money into a product that makes me look like I just left the gym. I wanna GROW and do the other on my on!

    Keep me posted guys! Peace
    MB - The Celtic Conqueror
    I'm honored that you would spend that much time going through my thread over at bodybuilding.com.....


    As for the question of muscle growth, pretty much nobody is seeing increased rates of muscular hypertrophy with these products, be it NoX, NO2, Nitro-AKG, or any of the other nitric oxide potentiators. Preliminary results from NOS are showing that some people are getting more muscle growth, but it's still too early to tell.

    Bottom line is, you'd be better off spending your money on good and a good protein shake if you're interested in packing on muscle mass.
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