Creatine gluconate

**jjohn** · 07-21-2006, 07:24 AM

Anyone experienced good things with this compund? What about water retention? Any comments are greatly appreciated!!

propho · 07-21-2006, 07:44 AM

I just got some.. I'll keep you updated..

MadJimF · 07-21-2006, 11:36 AM

I just got mine from CNW, if you go by the results that most people say about sizeon then it should be really good, I'm going to try low dose about 2-2.5 g pre-w/o, since it absorption is supposed to be so good, I think that might work.

**jjohn** · 07-22-2006, 06:31 AM

Cool, I hope yuo guys will see good thingsin this compound

prld2gr8ns · 07-22-2006, 08:24 AM

Quick question for some of you guy's here. I know that size on has some where around 30gr of carbs per serving(powder)some of which comes from there unique insulin mimetic, yet the tabs do not list any carbs on the bottle. With that being said I'm a bit confused on how to work a creatine like this into my current cutter. If it's creatine attached to a glucose molecule should I count that as carbs or no?

**jjohn** · 07-22-2006, 09:53 AM

Well, from what I have heard, I think that what is left instead of alcohol(CEE) is glucose(gluconate), so I don't think you should count that, as the alcohol is far worse than glucose, and this pathway makes the creatine a lot more easy to absorb. But the big question is water retention IMO.

LakeMountD · 07-22-2006, 10:43 AM

The thing that is interesting is the main reason why they say creatine gluconate works is because they basically attached creatine to a glucose molecule and when it is cleaved it leaves you with creatine and glucose byproducts. However, say you took 3g of CG, you would be getting < 3g of glucose and I seriously doubt that this amount of glucose would "drive creatine into the cells" like they say.

**jjohn** · 07-22-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeMountD

The thing that is interesting is the main reason why they say creatine gluconate works is because they basically attached creatine to a glucose molecule and when it is cleaved it leaves you with creatine and glucose byproducts. However, say you took 3g of CG, you would be getting < 3g of glucose and I seriously doubt that this amount of glucose would "drive creatine into the cells" like they say.

Yep, that's true, maybe they added sugar in the drink mix to have a better effect on creatine uptake?

LakeMountD · 07-22-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jjohn

Yep, that's true, maybe they added sugar in the drink mix to have a better effect on creatine uptake?

Even if they did that would defeat the purpose of using CEE pre workout. You would basically have to use it after a workout or at some other point in the day. Adding sugar (increasing insulin) before a workout inhibits fatty acid oxidation and switches to a glucose burning effect, which causes less fat loss during a workout. It is the "old school" mentality of using a lot of sugar with creating. Muscle Tech anyone?

I mean their other reasoning was that CEE splits into creatine and ethyl alcohol, but I am not sure if the ethyl alcohol is in high enough amounts to have a negative effect, it is yet to be seen.

I am not saying creatine gluconate isn't effective because it is a great form of it, but it is also much more expensive at the current moment. Once price comes down I think it will be a good route to take. We are even experimenting with it in Chaos.

prld2gr8ns · 07-22-2006, 02:29 PM

So Lake Mount, are you saying that your running some beta test trials of Chaos substituting the CEE for CM? If so, then keep us informed of what comes up. Hopefully you want mind providing us with a really good objective view of these two types of creatine.

**jmh80** · 07-22-2006, 02:37 PM

He's gonna send me some of the new Chaos to beta test.

Hopefully....

LakeMountD · 07-22-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns

So Lake Mount, are you saying that your running some beta test trials of Chaos substituting the CEE for CM? If so, then keep us informed of what comes up. Hopefully you want mind providing us with a really good objective view of these two types of creatine.

Not CM but CG (creatine gluconate). And yes we are running test trials with the new supercharged version.

**smeton_yea** · 07-23-2006, 09:05 AM

ill try to CG when the price is lowered. i still want to see how it works not many people are RAVING about how good it works, unless they just want to keep it a secret. then again when something works VERY WELL its usualy never a secret.

i take CEE and cm. yes i take both . example postraining ill take some CM 5 grams then later on ill take some Cee.

My theory could be wrong but i figure since Cee has a special absorption method that the mono will work in conjunction with the Cee.-just a thought i came up with- it could be crazy but then again it makes sense to me. therefore it would be bezt if i took the cee first then the cm.

what i like about the cee is it really does seem that you can only take 3 grams of it(i take 5) and get about what about 20 of mono does. and i tend to get bloated off of mono(not everyone does) i dont seem to get bloated off of cee.

CROWLER · 07-24-2006, 10:51 AM

Ok so enough people have tried this what is the feedback.

With Size-on you are suppose to be able to feel it within the first 2 workouts. So you guys who have used it for at least 3 days what have you noticed?

CROWLER