TTA effects on the liver...

[massmonster]

So sure if this is in the right forum, but I'll start here. Just took my 1st dose of Omega's Burned. I did 8 weeks on and then 3 off of the beta. The thought that crossed my mind was "what kind of stress is TTA putting on my liver?"

From CNW.com:
TTA – turns the liver into a fat burning machine. Drains FFA from the blood and burns them up in the mitochondria/peroxisomes of the liver.

Well that sounds like a fair amount to ask of my most over worked internal organ. Has there been discussion on the potential long term efects as well as short term if used concurently to methylated orals and/or alcohol???

I'm not currently in either of these scenarios, but I could see them easily happening.

[Enigma76]

You know, good question. I'm not exactly up to date on the science, but have you checked pubmed? If I'm not mistaken, TTA itself might act as an antioxidant, as initially the thought was to take extra antioxidants with TTA to help ease strain on the liver. Don't ask for a reference for that, its been a long time since I researched TTA.


I doubt there is an answer to this yet.

[ckohl23]

i had a blood test recently and one of the liver enzymes was borderline high (AST?). i didn't tell my doc i had used TTA but i can't think of anything else that would effect that. i haven't been using any PHs or drinking alcohol. not sure...currently doing a retest, hope it's just a fluke.

[lilkev42]

So sure if this is in the right forum, but I'll start here. Just took my 1st dose of Omega's Burned. I did 8 weeks on and then 3 off of the beta. The thought that crossed my mind was "what kind of stress is TTA putting on my liver?"

From CNW.com:
TTA – turns the liver into a fat burning machine. Drains FFA from the blood and burns them up in the mitochondria/peroxisomes of the liver.

Well that sounds like a fair amount to ask of my most over worked internal organ. Has there been discussion on the potential long term efects as well as short term if used concurently to methylated orals and/or alcohol???

I'm not currently in either of these scenarios, but I could see them easily happening.

Could this be why you see the new Melting Point/Sesamin stack. I know Sesamin also helps out the liver, so along with its fat loss properties it could possibly aid the liver. I don't know, but if I find anything I'll let you know. It was just a thought I had when reading your post.

[massmonster]

could be. if that were the case I'd stack kr-ala with tta. I never really got much from sesamin except nose bleeds.

[McBurly]

After taking TTA I would itch all over my body and from another thread someone informed me that this is a sign of liver problems. I continued to take the TTA and was going to get a check up from my doc (in order to get the blood tests done) but ran out of TTA before I could get the tests done.

It would be great if somebody got some blood work done while on TTA.

[canadian champ]

After taking TTA I would itch all over my body and from another thread someone informed me that this is a sign of liver problems. I continued to take the TTA and was going to get a check up from my doc (in order to get the blood tests done) but ran out of TTA before I could get the tests done.

It would be great if somebody got some blood work done while on TTA.

That was me... the thread was about hepatitis and I simply noted that a skin itch is a common side effect. There are a plethora of reasons for skin itches, it only came up because he and his doctor thought that he might have non-viral hepatitis... I am also interested in seeing blood work done on TTA. Anyone know what happened to the guy (Dr. liftalot) and his potential hep. problem?
cc

[CDB]

i had a blood test recently and one of the liver enzymes was borderline high (AST?). i didn't tell my doc i had used TTA but i can't think of anything else that would effect that. i haven't been using any PHs or drinking alcohol. not sure...currently doing a retest, hope it's just a fluke.

Working out can make your liver enzymes, or at least one of them, go nutty in the short term.

[ckohl23]

Working out can make your liver enzymes, or at least one of them, go nutty in the short term.

the retest came back and both liver enzymes are high now

[McBurly]

the retest came back and both liver enzymes are high now

are you still taking TTA?
were you still on TTA when you took the retest?

[reidhoch]

CC,
How high was your TTA dose when you first noticed the itching?

[canadian champ]

sorry about the misunderstanding... it wasnt me with the itching I have never used TTA. Here is the general thread on Hep.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...tml#post571028

cc

CC,
How high was your TTA dose when you first noticed the itching?

[ckohl23]

are you still taking TTA?
were you still on TTA when you took the retest?

yes i was still on, but i stopped using TTA after i got the retest results and am replacing it with fish oil for now. my doc is concerned and is ordering a second retest.

my TTA was burn3d (with forskolin and GTE) plus i was taking primaforce cla which i have also stopped. i have a separate GTE which i will continue to take.

so in summary:
- TTA
- forskolin
- CLA
+ fish oil

if my second retest numbers go down to normal, then the liver situation is due to TTA, forskolin, CLA or some combination of the three. all other factors (diet, exercise, supplementation) will be kept the same.

[McBurly]

yes i was still on, but i stopped using TTA after i got the retest results and am replacing it with fish oil for now. my doc is concerned and is ordering a second retest.

my TTA was burn3d (with forskolin and GTE) plus i was taking primaforce cla which i have also stopped. i have a separate GTE which i will continue to take.

so in summary:
- TTA
- forskolin
- CLA
+ fish oil

if my second retest numbers go down to normal, then the liver situation is due to TTA, forskolin, CLA or some combination of the three. all other factors (diet, exercise, supplementation) will be kept the same.

Thanks for being a guinea pig and getting the tests done, really appreciate it.

[massmonster]

bump

[Enigma76]

yes i was still on, but i stopped using TTA after i got the retest results and am replacing it with fish oil for now. my doc is concerned and is ordering a second retest.

my TTA was burn3d (with forskolin and GTE) plus i was taking primaforce cla which i have also stopped. i have a separate GTE which i will continue to take.

so in summary:
- TTA
- forskolin
- CLA
+ fish oil

if my second retest numbers go down to normal, then the liver situation is due to TTA, forskolin, CLA or some combination of the three. all other factors (diet, exercise, supplementation) will be kept the same.

How elevated are the enzymes? I know that one enzyme in particular can be raised just due to working out (I believe its AST that is found in muscles as well as the liver), and I wouldnt doubt that both could be elevated to some small degree by normal everyday fluctuations in stress due to environment/diet/exersize, etc.


Remember, "high" is just a subjective term. The "high" threshold for liver enzymes testing isnt really indicative of very big problems. Enzymes of 50-70 are high but not necessarily indicative of a condition. Enzymes of 200+ are bad, as seen with some M1T users. My own enzymes were in the 300s when I had mononucleosis. Some heptatitis patients can get their enzymes into the 1000s. Yet anything over 45 is "high". See where I'm getting with this? Not to mention that the real danger lies in chronically elevated liver enzymes, not daily fluctuations since the liver is a regenerative organ.

[tplant]

yes i was still on, but i stopped using TTA after i got the retest results and am replacing it with fish oil for now. my doc is concerned and is ordering a second retest.

my TTA was burn3d (with forskolin and GTE) plus i was taking primaforce cla which i have also stopped. i have a separate GTE which i will continue to take.

so in summary:
- TTA
- forskolin
- CLA
+ fish oil

if my second retest numbers go down to normal, then the liver situation is due to TTA, forskolin, CLA or some combination of the three. all other factors (diet, exercise, supplementation) will be kept the same.

That sucks bud but thanks for getting the tests. Like someone else asked, is there any chance that you could post the actual results?

[NO HYPE]

How elevated are the enzymes? I know that one enzyme in particular can be raised just due to working out (I believe its AST that is found in muscles as well as the liver), and I wouldnt doubt that both could be elevated to some small degree by normal everyday fluctuations in stress due to environment/diet/exersize, etc.


Remember, "high" is just a subjective term. The "high" threshold for liver enzymes testing isnt really indicative of very big problems. Enzymes of 50-70 are high but not necessarily indicative of a condition. Enzymes of 200+ are bad, as seen with some M1T users. My own enzymes were in the 300s when I had mononucleosis. Some heptatitis patients can get their enzymes into the 1000s. Yet anything over 45 is "high". See where I'm getting with this? Not to mention that the real danger lies in chronically elevated liver enzymes, not daily fluctuations since the liver is a regenerative organ.

Good post bro.

[ckohl23]

How elevated are the enzymes? I know that one enzyme in particular can be raised just due to working out (I believe its AST that is found in muscles as well as the liver), and I wouldnt doubt that both could be elevated to some small degree by normal everyday fluctuations in stress due to environment/diet/exersize, etc.


Remember, "high" is just a subjective term. The "high" threshold for liver enzymes testing isnt really indicative of very big problems. Enzymes of 50-70 are high but not necessarily indicative of a condition. Enzymes of 200+ are bad, as seen with some M1T users. My own enzymes were in the 300s when I had mononucleosis. Some heptatitis patients can get their enzymes into the 1000s. Yet anything over 45 is "high". See where I'm getting with this? Not to mention that the real danger lies in chronically elevated liver enzymes, not daily fluctuations since the liver is a regenerative organ.

good post. i don't have the numbers with me right now but i'm pretty sure they were under 200 (one of them was definitely under 100). so based on your post it doesn't look serious.

however, i would argue that it's still a red flag since i've had this blood test done many times before without it coming up. furthermore, i was still working out during those times so i'm not sure that is the cause.

[ckohl23]

update: my doc would have called me by now if my third test results were still high, so i'm assuming everything is back to normal at this point