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    hear if u take 1200mg of both arginine and lysine, hgh should increase by 700% . but arent arginine intakes way low considering some people are saying to have any effects u must take @ least 20 grams of arginine to see results.

    am i missing something?

    also, i hear L-glutamine is better with arginine.

    any better combination or recceomendations ?

    any thoughts, thanx.

    " There are a number of substances that increase the natural secretion of HGH. Most of them are amino acids. The most effective and economical way of causing this HGH release seems to be taking 2 grams of the amino acid L-glutamine in the morning and taking 10 to 30 grams of the amino acid L-arginine before bedtime. Both of these amino acids must be taken on an empty stomach. "

    from w w w . futurescience.com/hgh.html


  2. From what I've read a good arginine to lysine ratio is 3:2, with 3000mg of arginine. Also, IMO, glutamine is a waste. Try an AAKG/lysine stack for awhile and see how it works for you. Take one dose 3000mg Arg/2000mg @ 90 minutes before workout, and then also take it before bed.
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  3. I take 7 grams of arg with 5 of lysine before bedtime.
    Along with NOXidant (it's on clearance at Nutraplanet for $7).

    I've had arg. base for a while - a kilo seems to last FOREVER - but I found this "heart health" orange mix with 5 grams of arg. per scoop for like $4 at Wal-mart. I just add 2 grams of base arg along with 5 of lysine (I buy the NOW brand of lysine as no one sells it by the kilo that I can see - hear that Custom?????).

  4. thanx for the reponses guys, but is arginine pyroglutamate and lysine a better combo or is arginine and ornithine better suitable and effective.

    also, if i take arginine and ornithine combo, does it matter what form arginine is in, such as arginine pyroglutamate , arginine hydrochloride etc.

    also, i get arginine in 500 mg here in canada, how many capsules must i eat a day top get the most effective use for hgh release ?

    thanx again.

  5. GABA is awesome aswell for GH increase.

    Some Studies Show 500% Increase In Growth Hormone with 5g of GABA

    I got like 20 references to this if anyone wants
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by oasis2005
    thanx for the reponses guys, but is arginine pyroglutamate and lysine a better combo or is arginine and ornithine better suitable and effective.

    also, if i take arginine and ornithine combo, does it matter what form arginine is in, such as arginine pyroglutamate , arginine hydrochloride etc.

    also, i get arginine in 500 mg here in canada, how many capsules must i eat a day top get the most effective use for hgh release ?

    thanx again.
    Im not sure what form of arginine would be the most effective in this incident.

    As for the dosage question, if you have 500mg pills and you want a 3000mg dose, then you would need 6 pills.

  7. There has been a patent filed for an ALCAR/Ornithine combo to release GH. (Or course, one can easily buy Ornithine and ALCAR separately and not violate any patent). The patent application references a study to support the claim, as follows:

    Measurements of GH release occurring at 1.5 hours post sleep were performed on serum samples from a healthy 52 year old male volunteer. Controls and serum analysis for GH were measured by standard commercially avialable antibody capture technique. Experiments and measurement of results occurred between June and October 2000. Each single night experimental serum collection was separated from any other experiments by 1 week. All determinations represent averaged value of triple determinations. Acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine values are in milligrams (mg). Measurements were each performed on serum collected 1.5 hours post night time sleep. Choice of 1.5 hours post sleep represents one complete sleep cycle with slow wave sleep during which GH is released. Oral ingestions of stated substances occurred just before night sleep. . The normal range of serum GH at 1.5 hours post sleep is in the 1-10 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) range. The variance in measurement precision is given by the second value. All experiments were preceded by a period of 3-4 hours since the last meal.

    1 Measured GH Experimental Conditions (ng/ml) Control (no treatment) 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 0.55 .+-. 0.2 500 mg Acetyl-l-carnitine at sleep, 1.5 hour post sleep serum 0.55 .+-. 0.1 collection 500 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 1.5 hour post sleep serum 0.55 .+-. 0.2 collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 25 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 1.25 .+-. 0.3 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 35 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 7.5 .+-. 1.2 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 45 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 34.5 .+-. 3.7 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection

    This data shows the absence of effect of either acetyl-l-carnitine or l-ornithine alone to augment GH release at 1.5 hours post sleep. Ingestion of both acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine at night sleep displays a synergy that increases GH release with the level of l-ornithine. This data also indicates a non-linear increase in GH release with increasing l-ornithine in the the active mixture of acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine. This data accords with our choice of 20 to 40 milligrams of l-ornithine along with the 500 milligrams of acetyl-l-carnitine as a proper range for maintenance of young adult levels of augmented human GH release.

    Only 1 52 year old test subject though ;-)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by 1HP
    There has been a patent filed for an ALCAR/Ornithine combo to release GH. (Or course, one can easily buy Ornithine and ALCAR separately and not violate any patent). The patent application references a study to support the claim, as follows:

    Measurements of GH release occurring at 1.5 hours post sleep were performed on serum samples from a healthy 52 year old male volunteer. Controls and serum analysis for GH were measured by standard commercially avialable antibody capture technique. Experiments and measurement of results occurred between June and October 2000. Each single night experimental serum collection was separated from any other experiments by 1 week. All determinations represent averaged value of triple determinations. Acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine values are in milligrams (mg). Measurements were each performed on serum collected 1.5 hours post night time sleep. Choice of 1.5 hours post sleep represents one complete sleep cycle with slow wave sleep during which GH is released. Oral ingestions of stated substances occurred just before night sleep. . The normal range of serum GH at 1.5 hours post sleep is in the 1-10 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) range. The variance in measurement precision is given by the second value. All experiments were preceded by a period of 3-4 hours since the last meal.

    1 Measured GH Experimental Conditions (ng/ml) Control (no treatment) 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 0.55 .+-. 0.2 500 mg Acetyl-l-carnitine at sleep, 1.5 hour post sleep serum 0.55 .+-. 0.1 collection 500 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 1.5 hour post sleep serum 0.55 .+-. 0.2 collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 25 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 1.25 .+-. 0.3 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 35 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 7.5 .+-. 1.2 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection 500 mg acetyl-l-carnitine + 45 mg l-ornithine at sleep, 34.5 .+-. 3.7 1.5 hour post sleep serum collection

    This data shows the absence of effect of either acetyl-l-carnitine or l-ornithine alone to augment GH release at 1.5 hours post sleep. Ingestion of both acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine at night sleep displays a synergy that increases GH release with the level of l-ornithine. This data also indicates a non-linear increase in GH release with increasing l-ornithine in the the active mixture of acetyl-l-carnitine and l-ornithine. This data accords with our choice of 20 to 40 milligrams of l-ornithine along with the 500 milligrams of acetyl-l-carnitine as a proper range for maintenance of young adult levels of augmented human GH release.

    Only 1 52 year old test subject though ;-)

    Nice work digging this up.....interesting.

  9. Growth Hormone Releasing Factor (GHRF) is released from the hypothalamus, which in turn stimulates HGH secretion from the pituitary. On the other hand, the hypothalamic hormone Somatostatin inhibits HGH release. With increased stress (such as weight training) or aging, there is a widening imbalance between “good” (stimulatory GHRF) and “bad” (inhibitory Somatostatin) activity on HGH secretion.
    The result is usually enhanced Somatostatin action and decreased HGH release. Part of the reason for this imbalance is a concurrent decrease in levels of the neurotransmitter Acetylcholine2, which has been shown to play an important role in the control of HGH secretion from the pituitary. Research demonstrates that drugs that decrease Acetylcholine activity diminish HGH release, while those that increase Acetylcholine transmission potentiate the stimulatory effect of GHRF.

    Arginine promotes higher hGH levels by blocking the secretion of the growth-hormone inhibitor somatostatin.

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    Arginine causes the secretion of growth hormone, a 5 to 10 gram intravenous infusion of arginine provokes the pituitary into releasing growth hormone.

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  10. L-Arginine & L-Lysine compete for the same receptors, Arginine Pyroglutamate attaches to a different receptor allowing for synergistic effect. According to a 1981 study by Italian researcher A. Isidori, M.D., and his associates at the University of Rome, the combination of L-Lysine & Arginine Pyroglutamate, in 15 male volunteers, was 10 times more effective than taking L-Arginine alone.

    L-Lysine greatly increases the effect of Arginine Pyroglutamate when used together.

    arginine and ornithine have synergistic effects and will raise insulin as well as HGH levels.

    Sounds to me like a combination of Acetyl-L-Carnitine, Arginine Pyroglutamate, L-Lysine and L-Ornithine before bedtime should have a positive effect on HGH + possibly GABA and L-Glutamine?

  11. I know the traditional combo was arginine and ornithine. Most brands of BB supps sold a combo capsule product of those two anabolic steroids about ten years ago. I used to think TwinLab's was the best for some reason; perhaps it was the cheapest because I was a poor college student.

    As I recall from my reading back then, one would have to consume massive quantities (orally) of those to make them have any noticeable effect. Thus, I stopped buying them.

    My source for that was probably the misc.fitness.weights newsgroup, or Ironman or MMI magazines. Those were the only places I really read much about supplements.

    EDIT:

    I didn't have much time, but dug the following up from a discussion on MFW. ALL OF THE FOLLOWING WORDS ARE QUOTED AND NONE ARE MY OWN:

    Source 1: J Sports Med Phys Fit 1988 (35).
    Source 2: J Amer Coll Nutr 1990 (2-12).

    Study 1: Normal subjects in weight-training program (standardized)
    given 1 gram l-arginine plus 1 gram l-ornithine. Supplement group
    had better fat loss over the 5 weeks than the control group.


    Study 2: Male and female BB given various amounts l-ornithine hcl.
    Those given 170mg/kg bodyweight showed significant serum GH increases,
    as much as 4X baseline.


    Both studies used ORAL supplementation. Read them and decide for
    yourself.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by methusaleh
    I know the traditional combo was arginine and ornithine. Most brands of BB supps sold a combo capsule product of those two anabolic steroids about ten years ago.
    umm... arginine and ornithine are amino acids... not androgens.

    IMO, I wouldn't bother with the whole GH secretion thing, I did it at one time too. I didn't notice a damn thing when I was experimenting with high doses of glutamine/ornithine/arg for GH. I would have saved alot of money if I knew this earlier. You're not going to make any gains off them, maybe some good pumps, nothing else. And the GH secretion effects are very temporary.. like 1-2 hours, making it a ***** to dose.

    hope that helps

  13. Holy crap!!!

    Yeah I know they are amino acids, obviously, someone must have gone back and edited my post...don't know if it was a moderator on this site playing a joke, or if I forgot to log out of the computer at work and someone went back and did that to try to get me in trouble...

    Time to change my password, thanks for noticing that!!!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by doom3q
    umm... arginine and ornithine are amino acids... not androgens.

    IMO, I wouldn't bother with the whole GH secretion thing, I did it at one time too. I didn't notice a damn thing when I was experimenting with high doses of glutamine/ornithine/arg for GH. I would have saved alot of money if I knew this earlier. You're not going to make any gains off them, maybe some good pumps, nothing else. And the GH secretion effects are very temporary.. like 1-2 hours, making it a ***** to dose.

    hope that helps

    well i hear arginine plus lysine is a combo that has effects. infact in one article i read on the net, a girl 19 year old took arginine and she grew like one inch in couple of weeks and her feet grew.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by oasis2005
    well i hear arginine plus lysine is a combo that has effects. infact in one article i read on the net, a girl 19 year old took arginine and she grew like one inch in couple of weeks and her feet grew.
    Can you please post this article please, cuz I highly doubt the source is credible.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by idunk42
    Can you please post this article please, cuz I highly doubt the source is credible.
    " I personally know of one 19 year-old female who took L-arginine before bedtime for one week. She stopped after one week because it was making her nauseous, which was an indication of an excessive level of HGH release. Even though she had not grown since she was 16, during the subsequent month, she grew an additional inch, and had a noticeable growth of her heel bones."

    http://www.futurescience.com/hgh.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by oasis2005
    " I personally know of one 19 year-old female who took L-arginine before bedtime for one week. She stopped after one week because it was making her nauseous, which was an indication of an excessive level of HGH release. Even though she had not grown since she was 16, during the subsequent month, she grew an additional inch, and had a noticeable growth of her heel bones."

    http://www.futurescience.com/hgh.html
    That article has nothing to do with the case that you are referring to at hand. As far as you knowing her personally, that still doesnt prove anything. You also say that she only took l-arginine for 1 week. I highly doubt that supplementation for 1 week would provide a sufficient amount of a GH release for her to grow an inch, or even have much of any GH at all. Im sorry to have to say this, but Im calling BS, unless you can actually prove this.

  18. Just a (maybe) interesting FYI. My father is 5ft5. My mother is 5ft5. I'm 5ft6. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I gave my little Brother (13 at the time) GH Enhancers and he grew freakishly fast that Summer. He's 5ft11... He also has a build like no-one else in our family. Big-boned. Wider wrists than me. Just bigger...

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
    Just a (maybe) interesting FYI. My father is 5ft5. My mother is 5ft5. I'm 5ft6. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I gave my little Brother (13 at the time) GH Enhancers and he grew freakishly fast that Summer. He's 5ft11... He also has a build like no-one else in our family. Big-boned. Wider wrists than me. Just bigger...

    suppose u use GH enhancers in ur mid 20's, can u still grow your bones wider ?????

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
    Just a (maybe) interesting FYI. My father is 5ft5. My mother is 5ft5. I'm 5ft6. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I gave my little Brother (13 at the time) GH Enhancers and he grew freakishly fast that Summer. He's 5ft11... He also has a build like no-one else in our family. Big-boned. Wider wrists than me. Just bigger...
    What type of GH enhancers?

  21. Actually I'm not enclined to believe in a very noticable additional growth for youngsters by means of short term natural hgh boosting. Natural levels are pretty high at their age, anyways it's our "old guys" who are looking for ways to get the amount of hgh release we once had. The pgh product of universal kits also uses an "amino acid blend" Wonder if that's alcar/arginine/ornithine/lysine maybe even glutamine netx to the listed gaba/gabob etc?

    btw thanks for the reps yeahright

    Edit: ........ P-GH is a blend of amino acid growth hormone peptide bonds; 4-amino butyric acid (GABA), 7-amino-8-hydroxbutyric acid (GABOB), acetylglutamine. Seems like no alcar/arginine/ornithine/lysine, only gaba/gabob/glutamine.

  22. L-Glutamine and GABA

    Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in our muscle tissue. Glutamine is a key factor in muscle growth. This means that the higher the muscle glutamine levels you can maintain, the less chance you have of falling into catabolism and the faster muscle will grow. ln one study on Glutamine, they found that a single 2gr oral dose of Glutamine, elevated circulating growth hormone levels by over 430%! Of course as l have said before, Glutamine is not toxic at all and it's one of the very very few supplements that you can take almost on a yearly basis. But if you want to "stack" it with GABA, is better to follow this cycle.

    GABA is an important amino acid neurotransmitter in the brain. lt is involved in the regulation of brain's nerve cells and has been referred to as "the brain's natural calming agent". But this amino acid has shown also that it can elevate your hormone levels. ln one clinical study, it showed over a 5 1/2 fold increase in plasma growth hormones levels after GABA administration. So imagine what you can achieve if you take L-Glutamine and GABA at the same time! Let's see a good cycle that you can use here. Take L-Glutamine before you sleep, and GABA first thing in the morning for better results.

    Week # L-Glutamine GABA
    Week 1 2gr off
    Week 2 4gr 1gr
    Week 3 6gr 2gr
    Week 4 8gr 3gr
    Week 5 10gr 4gr
    Week 6 10gr 4gr
    Week 7 8gr 3gr
    Week 8 6gr 2gr
    Week 9 4gr 1gr
    Week 10 2gr off

    from bb.com http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/johnstack.htm

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
    Just a (maybe) interesting FYI. My father is 5ft5. My mother is 5ft5. I'm 5ft6. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I gave my little Brother (13 at the time) GH Enhancers and he grew freakishly fast that Summer. He's 5ft11... He also has a build like no-one else in our family. Big-boned. Wider wrists than me. Just bigger...
    I highly doubt that GH enhancers had to do with his growth, unless it was pure HGH.

    Yeah, ok so he's much larger than your parents. Well Im 6'5 and my dad's 5'8 and my mom is 5'7, so does that mean they were feeding me GH enhancers when I was younger.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by methusaleh
    Holy crap!!!

    Yeah I know they are amino acids, obviously, someone must have gone back and edited my post...don't know if it was a moderator on this site playing a joke, or if I forgot to log out of the computer at work and someone went back and did that to try to get me in trouble...

    Time to change my password, thanks for noticing that!!!
    Actually, what did you type, the letters "A" "A" together? I noticed that the site has been changed to "spell-out" certain abbreviations. When you type "S" and "D" together, it will go back and spell out "superdrol."
  25. Exclamation


    Quote Originally Posted by 1HP
    L-Glutamine and GABA

    Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in our muscle tissue. Glutamine is a key factor in muscle growth. This means that the higher the muscle glutamine levels you can maintain, the less chance you have of falling into catabolism and the faster muscle will grow. ln one study on Glutamine, they found that a single 2gr oral dose of Glutamine, elevated circulating growth hormone levels by over 430%! Of course as l have said before, Glutamine is not toxic at all and it's one of the very very few supplements that you can take almost on a yearly basis. But if you want to "stack" it with GABA, is better to follow this cycle.

    GABA is an important amino acid neurotransmitter in the brain. lt is involved in the regulation of brain's nerve cells and has been referred to as "the brain's natural calming agent". But this amino acid has shown also that it can elevate your hormone levels. ln one clinical study, it showed over a 5 1/2 fold increase in plasma growth hormones levels after GABA administration. So imagine what you can achieve if you take L-Glutamine and GABA at the same time! Let's see a good cycle that you can use here. Take L-Glutamine before you sleep, and GABA first thing in the morning for better results.

    Week # L-Glutamine GABA
    Week 1 2gr off
    Week 2 4gr 1gr
    Week 3 6gr 2gr
    Week 4 8gr 3gr
    Week 5 10gr 4gr
    Week 6 10gr 4gr
    Week 7 8gr 3gr
    Week 8 6gr 2gr
    Week 9 4gr 1gr
    Week 10 2gr off

    from bb.com http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/johnstack.htm

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weigh...d-prevent.html
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