What bulking supplement is best for size and bodyfat reduction

[arbiterdbol]

as the title says but it cant be anything Hormonal, meaning nothing requiring pct or that affects the hpta axis. thanks guys.
as the title says(Supplement), not food or weightlifting, those are always a given.

[JonesersRX7]

Shredded Mass?

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...roducts_id=668

Have never used any Pinnacle products before but ran across this a week or so ago and was curious what others thought. Some of the ingredients I am not familiar with so don't know if dosing is correct.

[mixedup]

as the title says but it cant be anything Hormonal, meaning nothing requiring post cycle therapy or that affects the hpta axis. thanks guys.
as the title says(Supplement), not food or weightlifting, those are always a given.

non hormonal I think you might need a combo like a creatine or nos product along with some type of fatburner that's what I would go with.

[wrkn4bigrmusles]

I've always been told you cant bulk and cut at the same time...

but maybe your tryin something differant.. i dunno

[Mulletsoldier]

Shredded Mass?

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...roducts_id=668

Have never used any Pinnacle products before but ran across this a week or so ago and was curious what others thought. Some of the ingredients I am not familiar with so don't know if dosing is correct.

That's pure garbage Joneser, it works for about a week and then stops...Forever. To arb, gaining mass and bodyfat reduction
without anabolic assistance is pretty difficult, and is completely reliant on one of the things you wished not to be mentioned, diet. It can most definitely be done on a smaller scale then what anabolics would provide you with, but your diet will decide not a supp, but yeah you didn't wanna hear that. Sorry

[arbiterdbol]

basically, whats the best for gaining size while MINIMIZING bodyfat increase. maybe that will help, but products like Anagen claim to do both. not very familiar with any supps out now so im counting on you guys.

[JonesersRX7]

Anagen is definately on my list of products to try.

[Mulletsoldier]

basically, whats the best for gaining size while MINIMIZING bodyfat increase. maybe that will help, but products like Anagen claim to do both. not very familiar with any supps out now so im counting on you guys.

Yeah, that's alot more effective. You should try something like the USP stack with Camph, Powerfull, C2 and possibly throw some Anagen in there as well. Sesamin and LipidFX from Scivation have also been getting great reviews, if you check out Bpmarytr's log, he combined a few of those for a cut and worked wonders. You could easily use the same products for a lean bulk, which is what I am logging right now.

[JonesersRX7]

That's pure garbage Joneser, it works for about a week and then stops...Forever.

meh.. what I figured.

[Jayhawkk]

Non hormonal with min and possibly losing body fat? Protein powder, creatine, along with lean extreme, sesemin,E/C etc etc? Well not all at once but using some mild or low dosage of a thermo or stimulant with the other regular stuff would yield good results I think. Probably not what you want though. I;m bored so i'll search for some things

[bpmartyr]

Powerfull, Activate, Rebound XT/Inhibit E (or ATD in some form or another), DHEA, LIPIDFX/Melting Point (ie TTA), Sesamin and cAMPHIBOLIC + C2/Ephedrine . If ya got the dough.

[Jayhawkk]

Damn BP, you just reminded me I have some bottles of MP I never tried.

[Ronin13]

I have the dough ..... do you have a schedule for these supps

Powerfull, Activate, Rebound XT/Inhibit E (or ATD in some form or another), DHEA, LIPIDFX/Melting Point (ie TTA), Sesamin and cAMPHIBOLIC + C2/Ephedrine . If ya got the dough.

[Mulletsoldier]

I have the dough ..... do you have a schedule for these supps

Look at BP's last log, and then look at the one I am running right now, combine the products at the same dosages, add in the ATD and you are good to go.

[Jayhawkk]

As in when and how long to take and with what for a stack of best effectiveness?

[bulls**t]

Megadosing BCAAs seems to do this for some people.

[CHAPS]

Any partitioning agent, KR-ALA comes to mind, IGF-1 would be perfect for this.

[Shock133]

Like Chaps mentioned, any nutrient partitioning agent would help immensely with the goals you mentioned. Fenotest works well for this. Check out the poll in this section on non-hormonal supplements for some good ideas and feedback.

[CHAPS]

I've yet to try KR-ALA but i've used R-ALA and i found i looked fuller and leaner, also recovered better from my workouts when i took it with my post-workout shake, i only used it for a week or so because it was my brother's left overs but i liked it.