Baking soda "trick" for endurance?
- 04-17-2006, 12:21 AM
- 04-17-2006, 12:24 AM
- 04-17-2006, 12:37 AM
04-17-2006, 12:42 AM
lol, i know this sounds too weird. Just getting 30 grams down your throat would be a challenge! I'll try it in a few days and I'll post my experience. Hopefully I won't vomit.
04-17-2006, 01:11 AM
04-17-2006, 01:12 AM
I tried this about...wow, 12 years ago at least. I can tell you that it works. I don't remember the actual amount of baking soda I used, but I can tell you to try whatever you can to mask the taste - Gatoraide, Kool-Aid, etc. Make no mistake - it did not taste good. Tolerable, but not good. (Reminds me of when I was naive and used baking soda instead of baking powder in my pancakes...ick).Originally Posted by PIOTREK
Of course those were the days when I was putting raw eggs, peanut butter and blackstrap molassas in my shakes to bulk. I was also eating liver and tuna straight out of the can. I'm not so keen on sacrificing taste as much as I used to, LoL.
But yeah, if I remember correctly, it was supposed to act as a lactic acid buffer.
04-17-2006, 01:21 AM
You can also try taking an epsom salt and baking soda bath before and after the event. Basically, you are trying to alkalize your system, which according to some alternative med people is a far healthier state than the usual slightly acidic state we are normally in. I think there is something to it, but take it with a grain of salt.
04-17-2006, 03:01 AM
yeah ive heard the arm n hammer ethyl ester works much better though
actually i do remember reading something on this about ten years back in bill phillips old magazine (when it was good)
04-17-2006, 03:09 AM
Did you get that information from an article over at t-nation. I read about this recently and I can't remember where at.
04-17-2006, 06:44 AM
I this related to the sodium bicarbinate they give to horses to prevent lactic acid build up in the muscles?
04-17-2006, 07:48 AM
The body has a very sophisticated buffering system, and I would be very suprised if such a crude method could produce results. I have pounded a whole bag of sour patch kids before (very acidic), and I doubt my blood PH varied a bit. Things like Citruline Malate that work in much more of a tertiary manner are far more likely to do something, albeit less radical and astonishing than we would like.
04-17-2006, 07:54 AM
J Appl Physiol. 2005 Nov;99(5):1668-75. Epub 2005 Jul 7.Related Articles, Links
NaHCO3-induced alkalosis reduces the phosphocreatine slow component during heavy-intensity forearm exercise.
Forbes SC, Raymer GH, Kowalchuk JM, Marsh GD.
School of Kinesiology, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A-3K7.
During heavy-intensity exercise, the mechanisms responsible for the continued slow decline in phosphocreatine concentration ([PCr]) (PCr slow component) have not been established. In this study, we tested the hypothesis that a reduced intracellular acidosis would result in a greater oxidative flux and, consequently, a reduced magnitude of the PCr slow component. Subjects (n = 10) performed isotonic wrist flexion in a control trial and in an induced alkalosis (Alk) trial (0.3g/kg oral dose of NaHCO3, 90 min before testing). Wrist flexion, at a contraction rate of 0.5 Hz, was performed for 9 min at moderate- (75% of onset of acidosis; intracellular pH threshold) and heavy-intensity (125% intracellular pH threshold) exercise. 31P-magnetic resonance spectroscopy was used to measure intracellular [H+], [PCr], [Pi], and [ATP]. The initial recovery data were used to estimate the rate of ATP synthesis and oxidative flux at the end of heavy-intensity exercise. In repeated trials, venous blood sampling was used to measure plasma [H+], [HCO3-], and [Lac-]. Throughout rest and exercise, plasma [H+] was lower (P < 0.05) and [HCO3-] was elevated (P < 0.05) in Alk compared with control. During the final 3 min of heavy-intensity exercise, Alk caused a lower (P < 0.05) intracellular [H+] [246 (SD 117) vs. 291 nmol/l (SD 129)], a greater (P < 0.05) [PCr] [12.7 (SD 7.0) vs. 9.9 mmol/l (SD 6.0)], and a reduced accumulation of [ADP] [0.065 (SD 0.031) vs. 0.098 mmol/l (SD 0.059)]. Oxidative flux was similar (P > 0.05) in the conditions at the end of heavy-intensity exercise. In conclusion, our results are consistent with a reduced intracellular acidosis, causing a decrease in the magnitude of the PCr slow component. The decreased PCr slow component in Alk did not appear to be due to an elevated oxidative flux.
p.s. That puts the dosage around said 30 grams...I'll resist the temptation to delete my previous post.
04-17-2006, 03:13 PM
04-17-2006, 05:50 PM
Baking Soda IS Sodium Bicarbonate. I've heard about this before too so I looked it up online. An article in runners world suggested that this "trick" could work for short events such as sprints...it also said that more than 20 grams will likely cause you to **** yourself. I wouldn't test this theory out on squat day.Originally Posted by Schwaugher
04-17-2006, 07:31 PM
Man i tried this in 1998, I will never forget, how EFFING bloated I was!!! I could not even lift, because my stomach was in so much pain. Just leave this trick alone for the sake of your gut.
04-17-2006, 08:58 PM
04-17-2006, 09:16 PM
04-18-2006, 01:27 AM
30 grams of baking soda with 2 cups of vinegar should provide some interesting results. As mentioned you're better off supplementing with citrulline malate, or preferably l-carnosine or it's precursors to reduce lactic acid build-up.
04-18-2006, 08:10 AM
From what I've read L-Carnosine is supposed to be the stuff for the job. Citrulline Malate works real well. 30 grams of baking soda and vinegar, yea just put the baking soda in your mouth and down the vinegar real fast, virtually no taste at all.
04-18-2006, 09:39 AM
I prefer pop rocks and soda when I'm looking for a good bloat!
And I cringe at seeing the vinegar and baking soda suggestions b/c you know somebody is going to half ass read that and try it. Kind of funny to picture though.
04-18-2006, 10:41 AM
this is a very old trick but does work. track guys used to use it often, and a buddy of mine is trying it out right now. it can give you explosive crap that is hard to control though. be careful with that... other than that, it does work.
04-18-2006, 11:08 AM
04-19-2006, 01:59 AM
If you can down Clout, you can handle baking soda. One suggestion though, try taking it with Vinegar and not water, you'll get insane pumps! Oh and if you want some flavour, use the baking soday in the back of your fridge. It will be saturated with tastes and smells from years of fresh food from your fridge. Mmmm Left over Roast Baking-Sodexplode.
04-19-2006, 11:33 AM
04-19-2006, 12:33 PM
04-19-2006, 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by 400runner
is that sarcasm? Hey I've only been training for about a year, not even yet. I'm 18, haven't done any hormones and used to be a fat piece of sh*t, Piotrek probably knows the feeling. If it's not sarcasm...thanks for the compliment
04-19-2006, 07:20 PM
hard work works better than any supplement ever will, with the exception of gear, and others that are few a far between.
04-19-2006, 08:00 PM
04-19-2006, 08:02 PM
Agreed. He is bigger than myself and a year younger. One thing I don't do is insult someones progress.Originally Posted by bioman
04-19-2006, 10:40 PM
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