Increasing natural test and the supplements
04-04-2006 04:14 PM
Increasing natural test and the supplements
I think I got this right for increasing natural test by using supplementation.
My question is where does boosting LH fall into place?
Also what supplements work best in these three criteria for natural test, ATD, 6oxo, Nettle Root, Tribulus, Formestane?
I have searched the forum and haven't found a question exactly like this be answered.
04-04-2006 04:53 PM
Trib for the LH production. Also, there's FSH for increasing test. As for supressing estrogen,SHGB, etc, I'll leave that to the experts.
04-04-2006 05:04 PM
Thanks, I also wanted to compare what works best for each category
Originally Posted by Cold
For example (and not exactly true) say that Tribulus increases LH production, and say LongJack also increases LH production. Would it be best to take both or just take the one that works better?
04-04-2006 06:44 PM
If I recall correct longjack reduces shgb or estrogen. I don't think it boosts LH the way trib does.
04-04-2006 10:14 PM
I would get some DS Activate to bind to SHGB, Long Jack/High potency Avena or Trib to bump LH, and some rebound XT (low dose) to keep estro in check. Thats just my 2 cents.
04-04-2006 10:17 PM
You are correct sir, Long Jack reduces/binds to SHGB, but I think it goes beyond that. I heard it also increases DHEA production,
Originally Posted by blahblah192
04-05-2006 01:03 AM
Avena lowers SHBG, it may increase LH too though. In any case you'll want some sort of AI to prevent estrogen related sides.
04-05-2006 06:14 PM
Now what about estrogen suppression? Formestane, ATD, 6oxo.
Where do supplements like PowerFull, Symmetry, Tribulus come into play, what mechanism do these work by, increase free test, low SHBG, etc...
04-05-2006 11:39 PM
I've tried numerous testosterone boosters over the years -- avena sativa, tribulis, long jack, estrogen inhibitors and aromatase inhibitors, of many flavors. I've found that out of all of these, there were two that stood out as working much better than the rest.
ActivaTe, from Designer Supplements, really causes accelerated beard growth and anabolic effects for me, at the full four caps spread out over the day. However, with just three caps, I get much less effect. This stuff has "Urtica Dioica", according to the label, standardized to "60-95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran". This is specifically an SHBG inhibitor, and I can testify that it really works.
Clomiphine citrate (clomid), at 100 mg/day, also really works -- but a) it's prescription only, and b) it has some risk of liver damage and permanent vision damage. Clomid is an estrogen inhibitor with some specificity for the pituitary, which is why it works better for this than tamoxifen citrate (nolvadex). I didn't find that nolva worked for this at all.
Everyone's hormonal metabolism works differently, so see what works for you. For me, Activate is the bomb, and it seems to be fairly benign in side effects (certainly compared to clomid).
04-08-2006 08:23 AM
I've asked similar questions B4, but the more input I can get the better. I take clomid (150mg /wk) to raise test. I've been on it a couple of months now and it did bring my test levels up to "normal range", mid 500's. Do you think it is safe to take for so long (doc says "people have been on it for years". And, will a test booster help at all if I'm already on clomid? I want to get test levels up to optimum levels, not "normal range". thanks...
04-08-2006 11:06 AM
I'm not a doc. That being said, I think the level you're talking about is much less than the level where you might worry about eye problems or liver problems. General recommendations for stimulating LH axis for post-analabolic hormone cycle usage are generally at 100 mg/day, not per week. Those levels have a fairly strong effect on testosterone levels, but may also be dangerous.
Originally Posted by gettingold
I don't know anything about taking it long term at much lower levels... I defer to your doc.
The ActivaTe works to reduce SHBG, which means that of all the testosterone in your body, more of it is available in the free (unbound) form. So I would think it would be complementary to other mechanisms of raising test levels, but again, I'm no doc.
04-09-2006 06:53 AM
191cm, 98kg (6'3, 215lb)
I have found Diesel Test to be extremely good - with blood work to back it up (not LH work though, but test/free test).
I am currently testing Triple Threat (6-oxo/trib) - it is giving good strength gains and some LBM. It isn't the same product as DT however, as DT seems to provide some other benefits (attention span, etc). But time will tell for test/free test for both products for me. At present I would say triple threat is the stronger of the two for strength gains and libido is similar on both.
04-11-2006 02:14 PM
getting old, I wonder if taking 100mg twice a week would get you into the higher ranges. I would also cycle off the clomid once in a while to clean out your body. hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in on this subject.
05-26-2006 12:43 PM
I wonder if he takes the 150 all at once, though. I'm guessing it's split up over 7 days.. I guess that would be a pretty tiny dose, then.. Too small, I guess..
05-26-2006 07:06 PM
I wouldn't take Clomid for the reason of boosting testosterone when not associated with PCT. Dr. D recommended toremifene over clomid becuase of the issues it can cause with eyesight.
Rebound/Powerfull/et al are much better for this reason than clomid.
05-26-2006 07:25 PM
Formestane will lower your natural test production. It will free up a whole bunch more with it's anti-aromatization capabilities, but figured this might be important info to realize when coming to a conclusion.
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