- 03-31-2006, 02:12 PM
Hey I know I cant talk about PH and I definitely wont be screwing around with those things... but as far as safe and legal, and effective ways for me to just get bigger and stronger...
Are protein and creatine, NO, and all safe to take? And are they safe to take at the same time.. i know it sounds ridiculous but my tennis coach told me that creatine is bad for your liver...(bs?)
On a side note.. I was also looking at a weightgainer.. by TwinLab called gainers ful 1000. it said it was super anabolic? but its a protein and weightgainer powder.. so is that a ph or not?
- 03-31-2006, 03:20 PM
Well, your coach is an idiot, mildly put....Our body produces creatine, well at least a pre-cursor to it called creatin(sp?), and if I am not mistake it is found in red meats as well..So now, and protein dangerous?Are you serious?
03-31-2006, 03:43 PM
A lot depends on your goals.
You'll be fine with these supplements, except you can leave off the NO.
Get all the nutrition you can from whole foods.
Weight gainers are as described, they are for gaining weight, but the weight can also include fat.
Read the labels closely as many weight gainers have excess sugar.
Check out the Nutrition Section for some good info.
03-31-2006, 05:22 PM
What he said. Think of it like a building a structure...get your foundation (diet/nutrition) in order before you try to add the second and third floors (performance enhancing suuplements)etc. The other floors are useless w/out a good foundation...make sense? Then if you think your diet/nutrition needs some additional levels "supplement" your diet with some of the suppplements you listed.Originally Posted by Old Guy
Protein powder could be considered part of your foundation if you aren't getting enough from your whole foods. Also get a good multi-vitamin in your foundation aswell. Creatine would be like the first floor. 's great, but unless your worried about burning muscle it's not a necessity. I wouldn't worry about the NO pills either, those can get pricy and probably won't give you what you're looking for. As for the weightgainers, in addtion to the sometimes excess fat, they often have way too much sugar. Just add oatmeal (not the instant crap), milk, natural PB, and protein powder in a blender and you can make your own weight gainer with the nutritional count (carbs/protein/fat) you want. Hope that helps.
03-31-2006, 10:05 PM
Yep. That pretty much covers it!!!!Originally Posted by Fearhk213
Just spend substantially more time on this board READING rather than POSTING and any question you may have will answer itself. Promise.
04-01-2006, 06:08 AM
Re the coach: Creatine is found in red meats and is processed in the liver to creatinine - any excess is urinated out.
He probably just meant that too great an excess may over tax your liver over time.
I suspect he was limiting the facts to stop a 17 year old blowing stacks of cash on supplements!
04-01-2006, 12:13 PM
04-01-2006, 12:27 PM
Glutamine is useless fellas, unless your in a pre-contest cut diet and even then food will take care of you just fine. Save your money for the grocery store and buy good food.
Creatine is great but think about getting something other than monohydrate like CEE or Di-Creatine Malate. Save your money there as well by buying bulk powder vs. the spendy capped stuff.
Just to back meself up
Originally Posted by Bobo
04-01-2006, 08:09 PM
Hey thanks BP! Okay, well I had always assumed it was good for muscle recovery.. (I think thats what you sort of implied) - and you think I should buy bulk powdered creatine?
I had weightgainer 1850 from GNC... I mean it had 1850 calories a serving, and I would eat at least three meals while I was on that, yet I actuallylost weight while taking that. So is that brand useless? or Do you suggest just eat more protein and clean cals?
04-02-2006, 03:31 PM
Main thing is to track all nutrients so you can easily increase/decrease calories and/or macro ratios according to desired results. Weight gainers do not have a place in my diet personally. There are much better sources for proper nutrition. Whole foods will give a more stable release of amino's and other nutrients than will a liquid. I limit my shakes to one or two a day and are best consumed pre and post workout as that is when your bodies energy requirements are highest. Personally I drink a shake first thing in the morning out of convenience as I prepare it the night before and grab it on the way out the door but that is not necessarily ideal. Above all, experiment, track and be sensitive to your body and how you respond to a given set of variables as we are all slightly different machines with different goals. Good luck on your journey.Originally Posted by Sooty
04-02-2006, 03:34 PM
To reiterate what BP stated I do not implement shakes in my diet, save for Pre/Post WO..And yes, grab some bulk CEE from one of your board sponsors. Lastly, never shop at GNC again, ever...Originally Posted by Sooty
04-02-2006, 03:37 PM
NO and glutamine can interfere with one another, so if you decide to take both Id suggets taking the AAKG during the day and glutamine before bed. I have never tried a pure glutamine product before, but I havent really heard great things baout it.
04-02-2006, 04:06 PM
Well I do have a small tub of it I bought at my gym for like 16 dollars.. it seems to help me recover faster, I dont get as sore when I use it...
And I will look into the CEE in bulk form.. sounds good...
And yea, I dont really drink shakes that often, once in the morning, along with my porridge (oatmeal), and once after my workout or during my dinner on non-workout days.
04-02-2006, 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
I think I actually pissed myself the one time I went in one and saw the prices. I love board sponcers.
04-03-2006, 11:06 PM
haha.. Well I do get an employee discount which is 35 percent... and their GNC brang products, while dont taste the best, get the job done cheap... but your right im sure i can get cheaper elsewhere.
Thanks for input guys.
04-03-2006, 11:18 PM
Here are my supplementation suggestions...I only had to delete one charcter to make them perfect
04-04-2006, 05:42 PM
Sooty what part of the Chi are you from, and GNC? And like what eveyone said more protein, creatine, and a good multi-vitamin. I know you get slammed with gnc sales pitch all day, as your pm's count on them but pick up their multi, its not that bad.
As for GNC proteins- DONT do it go for optimum, or by far the best tasting protein in the planet Muscle MIlk.
04-05-2006, 07:59 PM
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