I used UA and T pro at the same time to get the leanest gains possible cause Im already well over 200lbs so I dont want to gain 12-20 which is what most say they do. I went from 273-280 in 4 weeks. I took the UA for 2 weeks starting with 500mg and progressed up to 1.5g and I took 0.5-1.5g r-ala and 0.5-1.5g ala. I hadent orderd enough r-ala but found some ala at walmart. But the best part is a noticble sice increse as well as definition. My once super gut is now just the gut of a mear mortal. Ive been battling it since 2000 when i weighed 315 and had'nt worked out in 2 and a half years. I wished I has taken some before pics cause I posted my after pics the other day. anyway UA works better than anything else I tried. I can only inagine If I had stuck to my diet.