Bulk Ma Huang powder (Ephedra sinica)
01-15-2006 10:40 AM
Bulk Ma Huang powder (Ephedra sinica)
Ive placed an order for some Ephedra sinica (mahuang) powder but the company doesn't seem to know the amount of ephedrine alkoid content. The plan is to make my own ECA stack and cap it.
Unlike the old ECA stacks which say they used ephedra extracts, I either have to extract it from the powder or use in larger amounts but unsure how much exactly or if its any different from the old ECA ephedra used. Question is - does anyone have any information on extracting or ideas on amounts to use? Is 300mg a good dose to start at? I havent found much on a google search
01-15-2006 10:53 AM
I suggest you get some lab report on the content before dosing
01-15-2006 11:02 AM
I would follow B5150s advise on the lab report. Overdosing would be extremely dangerous. Good luck.
01-15-2006 11:14 AM
Assuming you have the unconcentrated dry herb:
E. sinica has a total alkaloid content of 1-3% by dry weight where ephedrine constitutes 40-90% of the alkaloid content. The remaining alkaloids consist of pseudoephedrine and the various demethylated forms of each.
So, good luck in trying to standardize it yourself.
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01-15-2006 03:27 PM
Thanks for the responses guys! Haven't been able to get a lab report yet but i've emailed my supplier, just waiting for a reply.
Aeternitatis - it is unconcentrated herb, so it seems like I'm gonna have to get a 'feel' for the amount and play around with the doses... from what you said 800mg of the Ephedra powder seems a sensible dose to start off with - please advise tho please.
Something tells me I'm gonna be as jittery as an old washing machine self experimenting like this
01-15-2006 10:06 PM
Why not just buy a product already capped?
01-16-2006 12:34 AM
I'ma ll with Mike's recommendation. Ephedrine is only like $7-8 at 25 mg per tab and you don't have to worry about the potency of each pill.
01-16-2006 07:22 AM
I realise MaHuang is back on the market already capped but the prices are still quite steep compaired to pre-ban and the doses are regulated to smaller amounts of ephedrine, this being the reason I want to make my own caps.
I know of people using Pseudoephedrine HCL (the 25mg tabs you're referring to) in the ECA stack instead but with it being an isomer of ephedrine (synthetic too) I get the impression it does not have nearly the same effect on the CNS that we all had with the old ECA caps. What are everyones views on this?
Something on Mahuang:
"Ma huang stimulates the nervous system to enhance mood and reduce fatigue. Ma huang also has the ability to increase energy and endurance; it does this through increase of blood flow to the muscles, resulting in an increase of oxygen and nutrient supply to the muscles. Ephedrine also increases basal metabolic rate (BMR), so that the body is spurred to burn calories faster, and so ephedrine is part of the thermogenic process that can result in substantial weight loss"
01-16-2006 07:40 AM
For anybody interested I finally found a proceedure to extract the alkaloids from the powder, seems like a ball-ache tho:
The ephedrine and pseudoephedrine alkaloids can be removed from Ephedra extract or Ma Huang with up to 96 percent efficiency.
Grinding the plant material into a fine powder and washing three times with methanol-at a ratio of 425 grams of plant material to 200 milliliters of solvent per "wash"-will yield 1 to 2 percent ephedrine and pseudoephedrine combined. The methanol washings can be collected and allowed to evaporate, leaving a greenish-brown, tar-like substance.
Removing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine from extract tablets is a similar but one-step process with a greater yield of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine tablets normally contain 25 milligrams of ephedrine. One thousand ephedrine extract tablets weigh approximately 457 grams and require 350 milliliters of solvent for extraction, yielding approximately 5 percent ephedrine. By comparison, pseudoephedrine tablets normally contain 60 milligrams of pseudoephedrine. One thousand pseudoephedrine tablets weigh approximately 119 grams and also require 350 milliliters of solvent, but the extraction process yields approximately 50 percent pseudoephedrine, by weight, because of the greater percentage of pseudoephedrine in the tablets.
01-16-2006 08:24 AM
I don't feel comfortble with using Methanol in any extraction I'm gonna take orally.
01-16-2006 09:02 AM
You can buy ephedra in caps, 10mg now. I don't think I'm allowed to post a link
01-17-2009 07:46 AM
hey, jb22, are you still around? i bought some powdered mu haung, ephedra sinica and wanted to know the best way to take the stuff!! i ordered a pill machine to make pills, but i dont know if that would be the best, make tea or whatever. also, i cant find anywhere the correct dosages to take or use to make tea. HELP!!
01-18-2009 04:28 AM
Where'd you order it from?
01-18-2009 04:56 AM
I don't know why you'd bother with doing all that. It seems like it'd be easier to just but something that is already capped/measured. There's a gas station right by my house that actually sells Bronch-eze...
01-18-2009 10:30 AM
i got the powdered ephedra from herbalfire.com however it came with a catalog from bouncingbearbotanicals.com. i dont know if they are the same company, looks like bouncing bear wholesales, and maybe they drop shipped it to me.
i did find boucing bear mentioned at a pretty good website on ephedra, ephedra.nu. there is a ton of info there.
i have tried the bronch-eze stuff. doesnt really work, and doesnt raise my body temp like the old stuff. i have to take like 10 tabs of the stuff just to tell anything, and thats not much. somethign about the ephedra is synthetic or something, and cant use a certain part of the plant??
01-18-2009 10:40 AM
mountainroseherbs also sells bulk cheap
01-18-2009 11:50 AM
Man how much you payin for that? I just got some at a pharm. With no doze for less then 25 bucks and its 60 doses of E-hci at 25mg.4 less $ then a fatburner! First dose was today it was all right but liked venom hyperdrive better.
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01-19-2009 06:02 PM
I know of an ECA that has 25mg of the Ma Huang extract per serving, with 300mg of caff and white willow bark, but its not carried on nutraplanet so I can't say what it is because I will probably get in trouble for it.
01-19-2009 09:40 PM
Has anyone found anything equivalent to ephedra? I was 400 pounds until I start using ephedra. From there, I went to a lean 203 and well fit! However, right at my lowest point, they pulled it and been having problems finding something to the effects of the ephedra. Now I am back to 340 and still searching for the perfect supplement that does the same thing..Any suggestions?
01-19-2009 11:35 PM
Best way to "standardize" it for yourself is to make a tea.
put 1 tsp into something that will restrain it. put THAT into 8 oz of boiling water (don't keep boiling it). Mash the powder to make sure the water's soaked it. Let steep for 20 minutes, then drink 2 oz. 2 hours later, drink 2 oz. 2 hours later, then 2 hours after that, 2 oz..
If you get NO effects, skip a couple days, then do it again - but 2 tsp & let it steep 30 min. Dose as before. If you don't get ANYTHING off of it by this point, go through the process once more, only this time, use 3 tsp, and steep it covered for an hour. Drink ONE ounce, and twice more at hour intervals.
If you STILL can't detect any effects, you may have bunk stuff. You really should have gotten some effect by now, and should have some sense of how strong the 3 doses are, cumulative effects, etc. & you can tailor your dose from there, either as tea, as a fraction of a tsp - hell, mix it w/ beef suet & make suppositories....
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