Natural Supps to Boost Female Sex Drive?
- 12-03-2005, 03:02 PM
Natural Supps to Boost Female Sex Drive?
Any natural supps out there that help boost a female's sex drive? Ever since my girl went on the pill, her's has been kind of suppressed. Ive done a bit of research, but I hoping to hear some personal experiences of success, if there are any.
Last edited by BigVrunga; 12-03-2005 at 04:17 PM.
- 12-03-2005, 04:29 PM
Is she taking the Ortho-Tri-Cyclen for a specific reason other than for birth control?
Here is something I found, I hope it helps:
Birth Control You Need to See Your Doctor For
The risks and benefits of different forms of birth control are different for each person. So it's best to decide with your doctor which form of birth control is best for you.
The diaphragm with spermicide is put into the vagina before sex so that it covers the cervix, or neck of the womb. Put the spermicide into the dome of the diaphragm before inserting it. You must be fitted for a diaphragm at a doctor's office or clinic because diaphragms come in several different sizes. The diaphragm must stay in place at least 6 hours after intercourse, but not for more than 24 hours. If you have sex more than once while wearing the diaphragm, you must add more spermicide without taking the diaphragm out. Spermicide is available without a prescription at drugstores.
The cervical cap is a soft rubber cup with a round rim that is put into the vagina to fit over the cervix, or neck of the womb. The cap is smaller than the diaphragm, but sometimes more difficult to insert. You must go to your doctor or clinic to be fitted for the cervical cap. It comes in several different sizes. The cervical cap must be used with spermicide, which is available in drugstores without a prescription. You can leave it in place for 48 hours.
Birth Control Pills
You need a doctor's prescription to get birth control pills, also called oral contraceptives. There are two types of birth control pills: "combined oral contraceptives" and "minipills."
Combined oral contraceptives have a combination of two hormones--estrogen and progestin. They work by keeping the ovaries from releasing an egg. The pill must be taken every day.
Minipills contain only one hormone, progestin. They work by thickening the cervical mucus to keep sperm from reaching the egg. Sometimes they also keep the ovaries from releasing an egg. You must take one pill every day. Minipills are slightly less effective than combined oral contraceptives.
Depo-Provera is a form of progestin, similar to the hormone in the minipill. Depo-Provera must be injected with a needle into the woman's buttocks or arm muscle by a doctor. You must get an injection every three months for the birth control to continue to work.
Norplant is a form of progestin that is placed under the skin. Norplant is made of rubber rods that look like matchsticks. A doctor places the rods under the skin of the woman's upper arm, where they slowly release progestin. A doctor must also remove the rods. There are two types of Norplant. The six-rod Norplant gives birth control for up to five years. The two-rod Norplant gives birth control for up to two years.
An IUD (Intrauterine Device) is inserted into the womb by a doctor. Two types of IUDs are now used in the United States: the Paragard Copper T 380A, which releases copper, and the Progestasert Progesterone T, which releases progesterone, a form of progestin. The Paragard IUD can stay in place for 10 years. The Progestasert must be replaced every year. A doctor must remove it.
Male Sterilization (Vasectomy)
Outpatient surgery is necessary to make a man sterile, or unable to produce enough sperm to make a woman pregnant. This is done by sealing, tying or cutting the tube through which sperm travel to the penis from the testicles. The operation usually takes less than 30 minutes and is done under local anesthesia. Men who have vasectomies must be sure they will never want to father children in the future.
Female Sterilization Female sterilization is usually a longer operation than a vasectomy, though it may sometimes be done as outpatient surgery. It is usually done under general anesthesia. The surgery involves tying, cutting or blocking the fallopian tubes so eggs can't reach the womb. Women who have this surgery must be sure they will never want to have a baby in the future.
12-05-2005, 03:39 PM
I have not come across any that actually work. I had my wife run a low dosed nha stack and when she came off she noticed a libido increase. I think the atd lowers libido until you stop taking it then your libido rebounds because of the amount of test you have.
12-05-2005, 03:52 PM
Yeah, Ive noticed that too with ATD. It was much more pronounced with UltraHOT than with Rebound (at the same dose of 50mg/day). Perhaps the CissusRX is helping with that.
Hmmm..Cissus always seems to give me a healthy libido boost - perhaps it would work for my girl as well.
12-05-2005, 03:56 PM
Ive noticed this too. My gf is on the pill. She goes thru different things tho. Sometimes shes ravenous and wants it and other times she just could care less. Idk what it is but she needs some help in that area at times!
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12-05-2005, 04:32 PM
Well, other than running test base transdermal on her while she's sleeping I don't know what to do
is supposed to help women, or so Ive heard.
12-05-2005, 04:41 PM
I just took my wife off of birth control after almost 10 years of being on it. There has been a very gradual reduction in her libido over this time and we just figured it was due to being married..the 7 year itch and all.
She had put on about 15-20 pounds in this time which also seemed kinda par for the course for a married woman in her 20's and now she's 30. She'd also been having a lot of mood problems including anxiety which worsened over this time.
The last two years she switched to the patch which was supposed to be a lower, sustained dose...Transdermal, can't go wrong eh? Well, long story short, her various symptoms got worse..more wieght gain, worse mood, even lower libido so I started wondering about the birth control..now that I'm armed with all sorts of hormonal knowledge, lol.
We took her off the patch and guess what? Weight went down a solid 15 pounds, mood has improved a little, libido is more functional though not terrific and anxiety levels have decreased.
Turns out the patch was OVER dosed by as much as 60% and it caused spikes in estro levels rather than the sustained levels it was supposed to do. Sad that the F'ing pharmacuetical guys can't figure out how to make a transdermal and we can!
So in any case, avoid the patch. We're kinda burnt on the pill in general so I won't say anymore as to your choices for birth control, but expect the low libido thing to continue or worsen with time.
Look into progesterone cream for raising libido. I've heard it works well when dosed correctly but we have not gotten around to trying it yet...still trying to see if her hormones will normalize on their own. Maybe in the meantime?
12-05-2005, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the reply bioman - Im going to do some serious research and try to formulate a homebrew supp for her.
Like your wife, same thing happened to my girl - mood swings, ~15lb weight gain, sex drive depressed, etc. Makes me think its not worth it...especially with the increased risk of cancer associated with it.
12-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Yeah, we're about to try for kids but after that I doubt we'll go on it again..I'll just get snipped.
12-05-2005, 06:16 PM
As a woman that has used birth control pills in the past (ortho tri cyclen) and others. Was on those things almost 17 years.The pill was a certainly a libido killer. Not to mention feeling just plain awful on them. Mood swings, weight gain ect. Like having constant pms. Talk about hormonal suppression, those will do it for sure.
A woman's hormones, estro, progst, test, all fluctuate dramaticly during a normal cycle. This alone can cause changes in sex drive. I've noticed that in the few days just prior to ovulation my sex drive is through the roof. That's when women's test levels usually peak. I believe some very low dose test my be of benefit for this, but have not tried it myself as of yet. This article was pretty interesting:
Took viagra once...lol...all it gave me was some great vascularity . Have not had any luck with herbal supplements.Tried trib, maca, dhea. May try Activate. However, I did just finish a 4 week cycle of SD, 10mg a day the last two weeks, and noticed a definite increase in libido. Sure glad I didn't use up all my husband's little blue pills.
12-05-2005, 06:26 PM
Well they'd obviously want to avoid anti-estrogenic supps, things like zma, tribulus, fenugreek and arginine ethyl ester, enhanced blood flow
12-05-2005, 06:42 PM
ZMA won't do anything for women unfortunately -- this is purely useful for testes.Originally Posted by CHAPS
DHEA may help but unlikely.
I'm most intrigued by the thought of 6-OXO however. That could have real promise.
FYI: some of the more progressive doctors who believe in doing *what works* instead of just obeying the formula book prescribe M1T (yes, seriously). 5mg once a week oral.
Benefits depression and libido.
And: the pill is not something to inflict on someone you love.
12-05-2005, 06:49 PM
12-05-2005, 07:05 PM
ZMA is much like a vitamin for the testes -- it won't give you a libido boost. 6-OXO may well be worth your time however. The steroid pathway in the body remains the same and the biofeedback is identical. Reduce estrogen by blocking covnersion and the body ends up with more natural test production. More test = more libido.Originally Posted by mab904
12-05-2005, 07:39 PM
There's an inhalant drug that's in testing now that supposedly makes women horny, can't find the link at the moment.
Two possibilities now are stimulating with Chocamine/Cocoa Extract
From the BAC catalog
"It has the taste, aroma, and health benefits of unsweetened bitter chocolate standardized to the stimulating, thermogenic, mood & performance enhancing ingredients including 12% theobromine, theophylline & PEA. Promotes energy, fat burning, suppresses appetite, improves performance, and is a sexual stimulant - especially for women"
or relaxing with Phenibut and/or GABA, or a benzo.
Someone once said to me that "Men have sex to relax, women have to be relaxed to have sex", I thought this to be true.
There's probably a few other things I can think of, I'll post back if any cum to mind.
12-05-2005, 08:02 PM
That's a good idea Malek - 6-OXO is a relatively innocuous anti-e, as well. What do you think the oral dose for a female would be? ~100mg? Would a boost in test affect the effectiveness of the birthcontrolpill? Its only blocking aromatase - so it shouldnt mess with estrogen levels from external sources...ZMA is much like a vitamin for the testes -- it won't give you a libido boost. 6-OXO may well be worth your time however. The steroid pathway in the body remains the same and the biofeedback is identical. Reduce estrogen by blocking covnersion and the body ends up with more natural test production. More test = more libido
Hmmm...getting some pretty good ideas for the 'female libido stack' here...
12-05-2005, 08:39 PM
Using an potential Anti-E/Test booster on a women is a serious undertaking, even well trained and equipped endicronologists find this a tricky thing to work out properly.
6-oxo's effect on E appears to be fairly mild in men, it's effect in women is unknown, as far as I know.
12-05-2005, 08:43 PM
12-05-2005, 08:48 PM
That was the one I was thinking of.
"PT-141 is a synthetic version of a sex hormone that works on both men and women, according to a report."
What's the hormone, and how do we make it or stimulate it's release with our own homebrew?
12-05-2005, 08:49 PM
12-05-2005, 09:00 PM
"specifically formulated to help restore joint comfort and help renew cartilage."
Her ability to put her ankles behind her head is a fine skill, but we need the chemical onswitch.
12-05-2005, 09:08 PM
This supplement will most likely induce the opposite effect of what you are looking for. IMO.Originally Posted by julius kelp
12-05-2005, 09:47 PM
Not disputing any of that. But cautioning: one reason for lack of data is a stupid attitude in the medical profession that women with healthy sex responses are "sluts" whereas men with healthy sex responses are simply "virile". Hell, impotence was considered a big insult once upon a time -- how stupid is that?Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
Even the terms used are derogatory: women are "frigid" whereas men have "erectile dysfunction".
I think 6-OXO is worth pursuing...but is it an answer in and of itself? No. Questions definitely remain.
Vrunga: dose guess 100mg. Affect on birth control pill: unknown but I agree with your logic. External sources should be unaffected, just conversion to the same. Something you're maybe missing - However I think 6-OXO will be pretty useless if coupled with birth control. Estrogen's already there. Body doesn't want to make it. No intermediaries (testosterone), nothing to block/leave unconverted. Net result: no increase in testosterone.
Interesting link for further refs: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-for-women.htm
12-05-2005, 10:24 PM
I agree Rogue, the female hormonal cycle is a tough one to tinker with. We're thinking of going to a good endocrinologist at some point. I've tried all the usual herbs with no results or worse, serious exacerbation of her anxiety. Supps that increase NO or cAMP all lead to panic attacks. Alcohol is about the only sure fire thing that helps, lol.
We even tried a low dose, 4AD dermal but all that seem to do was intesify her period. There was a small libido boost but the sides were not worth it.
We're kinda hoping that after having a baby she'll get a stronger libido..particularly as she goes into her 30's.
12-05-2005, 11:08 PM
I wouldn't mess with aromatise inhibitors or any estrogen lowering compound with a women, personally i don't like 6-oxo, their is better choices, like a 3-ohat/ATD combo, or one of my all time favourites transdermal Formestane.
12-05-2005, 11:10 PM
I'd try Biotests Tribex 500, in combination with Esterfied Arginine, because blood flow is very important for sexual arousal, I was having accidental hard ons like you wouldn't believe on esterfied arginine. Another area to look at is Dostinex, lowers prolactin levels and boosts sex drive, BUT i'm not sure about it's safey with women.
12-06-2005, 12:09 AM
Rogue, it makes sense. I dont know if I'd want to give her something like that anyway.Vrunga: dose guess 100mg. Affect on birth control pill: unknown but I agree with your logic. External sources should be unaffected, just conversion to the same. Something you're maybe missing - However I think 6-OXO will be pretty useless if coupled with birth control. Estrogen's already there. Body doesn't want to make it. No intermediaries (testosterone), nothing to block/leave unconverted. Net result: no increase in testosterone.
Yeah, Formestane is a good one.I wouldn't mess with aromatise inhibitors or any estrogen lowering compound with a women, personally i don't like 6-oxo, their is better choices, like a 3-ohat/ATD combo, or one of my all time favourites transdermal Formestane.
I think the real answer is to get her off the pill. She wan a freakin' *animal* before she stated using it. Maybe she should talk to her doctor about trying a different type of pill with a lower dose? I know there are several out there...I'd try Biotests Tribex 500, in combination with Esterfied Arginine, because blood flow is very important for sexual arousal, I was having accidental hard ons like you wouldn't believe on esterfied arginine. Another area to look at is Dostinex, lowers prolactin levels and boosts sex drive, BUT i'm not sure about it's safey with women.
12-06-2005, 10:56 AM
Def get her off the pill, my wife, is a Beast now she rapes me and tells me, and since getting off the pill she can lose weight. She lost 22lbs in 2 months for our wedding, as a opposed to a year of actually gaining weight while dieting, lifting, and cardio! As for libido boost, l arginine supps seem to help, as she had a 4 pk. of black pearl by vpx (no laughing) and she was flowing like the nile. Bottom line get her off the pill and see an endocrinoligist, to see where her hormone levels should be.
12-06-2005, 12:51 PM
We had my wife on several forms of the pill and then the Patch..they all pretty much had the same effect.
12-06-2005, 01:21 PM
after the kids were born is when my wifes libido took a dive. I agree alcohol is the only thing that works but too much and she falls asleep.Originally Posted by bioman
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