Halodrol-50 'Exposed' by Washington Post
- 11-30-2005, 11:47 AM
Halodrol-50 'Exposed' by Washington Post
I'm not going to offer any commentary here besides the fact that I will be eye-balling 'net retailers looking for cheap prices on the stuff when they decide to dump it.
- 11-30-2005, 11:50 AM
- 11-30-2005, 12:21 PM
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11-30-2005, 12:38 PM
In passing she says "anabolic steroids, which help build muscle and speed recovery from strenuous exercise but also can cause serious health problems when used in excess.
Many things are harmful when used in excess AND they have little positive benefits yet they are legal. (alcohol and tobacco come to mind right away). I guess that large sum of tax money helps make it all better.
Its interesting to note the analysis shows DMT in additon to the listed ingredient. Isnt DMT the same as Ergomax LMG and basically Pplex as well?
11-30-2005, 01:35 PM
I agree Jcam... the purpose of the entire article (IMO) was to demonize the sports supplement industry as a whole.
11-30-2005, 01:43 PM
hmm.... I heard that the persistancy of Amy Shipley is due to the passing of her husband of whom improperly used these "supplements," being that he was Hypertensive... If this it true I am pissed she is taking it out on these companies, of which none had the slightest bit of control over user abuse beyond warning labels..
11-30-2005, 01:54 PM
They messed up by saying late in the article that Halodrol-50 contains DMT along with the oral turinabol derivative
Athletes taking Halodrol-50 would flunk standard sport drug tests, however, because DMT -- which Catlin identified more than a year ago -- is now detectable. DMT was one of three steroids found associated with BALCO."
11-30-2005, 03:33 PM
11-30-2005, 03:42 PM
Marathon runners occassionally die from using a certain substance in excess--water. It is called hyponatremia [sp?].
Though no emphasis was put on it, at least it does mention health consequences if used "in excess".
11-30-2005, 07:05 PM
There was a thread somewhere that was started by a guy's wife. The dude died last spring: apparently heart issues, and he was hypertensive. Anyhow, she had been corresponding with Amy S.
I think that is where this comes from. Don't know anything about Amy S's husband.
The guy who died posted here. His screen name was The Reporter.
11-30-2005, 07:26 PM
Hmm...I remember seeing that screen name on the bulknutrition forums. Interesting article...at least everyone knows for sure what's in it now.Originally Posted by michaelton
11-30-2005, 08:26 PM
was there ever conclusive reporting on what The Reporter died of? His wife made a plea to the board(s) for people to be careful, but as far as I can recall, there was no particular product or products related to his death. Seems like he had some medical issues...
11-30-2005, 08:33 PM
i was thinking about taking halodrol-50, but i wanted to ask u two thing first. What have u heard about it showing up on a drug test and how long it would stay in ur system if it would. what are the normal side effects and what kind of liver damage have u heard that comes from it. thanks ross
this is for all of u guys, iwould appreciate all of your knowledge.
11-30-2005, 08:56 PM
12-02-2005, 11:58 PM
I remember when the Reporter died, and I remember his wife being on the boards. What I remember more though is that the last log he did was of Sdrol and he did a 6 week cycle (I am pretty sure it was 6), going as high as 50mgs/ed, and I also remember him stating in the log that he did NOT take his BP meds on cycle, but that he did take herbal BP ancillaries. This was before the HDL/LDL issues of SD were so well documented. I know he had taken many other AAS/PH's before this and thoroughly enjoyed the SD. I think that it is possible that these two things are related.
I wonder if someone were to wage war on the 1st amendment and make it impossible for Ms. Shipely to pursue her usually activities in the way she had become accustomed, would she so aggressively the lifestyle of an unthreatening group of her fellow civilians? After all, what is your beef Ms. Shipely? Am I hurting you by making well thought out, organized, and personal adult decisions? Because your decisions are begining to impinge upon my way of life.
12-03-2005, 12:13 AM
12-03-2005, 12:36 AM
12-03-2005, 12:38 AM
No problem, it's just an easy target which no one is really going to confront her on. In the end she's really not doing anything except reporting facts along with some exagerated descriptions that other people, ourselves included, have passionate reactions too. And since no one is really going to openly confront her she gets to get away with hyberbole like claiming the dietery supplement industry is a "clearing house" for anabolic steroids.Originally Posted by Dungeon1
She gets to see herself as a hardnosed ivestigative journalist uncovering The Truth about supplements and steroids, when all she's doing is writing borderline yellow journalism pieces for people who don't know any better. You really think the general public knows the difference between an n=30 study and a case study, or gives a ****?
You can tell these muppets by the way they report. They'll say an issue is important or critical or some other nonsense, but when you look at their work it never addresses the most critical points of the issue they're reporting on. She either doesn't give a damn about debating whether or not steroids truly are harmful when used properly, and even if so whether or not people should be free to chose for themselves what goes in their body, or she's simply unaware such a debate even exists or is possible.
Either way she doesn't matter. What matters is what the public she is writing for and the politicians who make the laws that destroy thousands of lives each year are thinking and doing. Take comfort in her insignificance. Take more comfort in imagining what it would be like to get her, Doctor Wadler and a few of those nimrod politicians in a room with a few hundred juicers who did time because of insane laws, and imagine what their faces would look like when instead of flying into a roid rage they were asked calmly and reasonably why they wanted to destroy the lives of people who they've never met, people who have not harmed others.
12-03-2005, 10:09 PM
Well, that's it. I guess they'll have to ban spraypaint now, since, from what I hear, for 2 bucks and a paper bag anyone can catch a pretty healthy high. Scotchguard too...the list is very, very long. And so cheap a quick mowing of the neighbor's lawn will allow Jr. to waltz down to Wally world and lay his money down. Among hundreds of other "legal" but "useful" consumer products. This all reeks of a witch-hunt, among other things. Someone should start a Blog somewhere, directing negative publicity in a positive way. Forbes had a great article on its effectiveness last month.
12-04-2005, 12:18 AM
Believe it or not, spray paint is banned in the city of Chicago--meaning you can't buy/sell it at any of the hardware and home supply stores! You can own it, though.
12-04-2005, 01:16 AM
Holy ****! That's just great. It's good to know that the radicals are doing well in the windy city.
Take a look at this list for the next items to be banned- or at least villified by the washington post:
Commonly Abused Commercial Products
Model airplane glue, rubber cement, household glue.
Spray paint, hair spray, air freshener, deodorant, fabric protector.
oxide, ether, chloroform.
Dry cleaning fluid, spot remover, degreaser.
Vegetable cooking spray, "whippets" (nitrous oxide).
Nitrous oxide, butane, propane, helium.
Solvents and gases:
Nail polish remover, paint thinner, typing correction fluid and thinner, toxic markers, pure toluene, toluol, cigar lighter fluid, gasoline.
Source: National Inhalant Prevention Coalition.
Pretty extensive list of things that youngsters could use to bring harm on themselves, huh? It's like I've always said, they can outlaw anything that ppl want, but there's always an alternative. After all, we're not sheep. I think the gasoline will probably be available for a while though, unless Gaspari comes out with a derivative...
12-05-2005, 02:48 PM
Amy Shipley is a liberal.
She works for a liberal newspaper, the Washington Post.
She doesn’t care about the truth, because like most liberals, the end justifies the means. She will not engage in a fair and honest open discussion, because that is not her style. This is why she did not respond when Author had his open letter.
From what I’ve read of her articles, she’s really big on preventing “cheating” in Olympic events.
She is going to use her political agenda, and position in the Washington Post, to ensure that legislation is passed in the United States, to ultimately stop all research in increasing human performance.
Let’s face it… To Amy, any advance in technology, be it mechanical, chemical, or electrical, is cheating.
Amy Shipley will cause more problems than she solves, because she is so short sited. What’s Amy going to do, when the scientists ditch chemical doping, and move on to gene doping?
Rather than stop all innovation, I propose that all forms of technological innovation are permitted. Yes, sometimes things will go wrong, people will get hurt, but eventually, the majority will benefit from this technology.
12-05-2005, 03:08 PM
BULL**** This is not a liberal conspiracy. She did not make a SOTU speech in which she vowed to get those "steeroids" and stop cheating in major league baseball.Originally Posted by TINYTOAD
There are *******s on both sides of that equation. Don't confuse the issue...ignorance is the issue and it is a non-partisan affliction.
12-07-2005, 10:41 AM
J of S,
I'm not talking about Democrats and Republicans.
Libertarians feel that any attempt to solve social problems must depend on private, voluntary efforts, and that modifying social factors will inevitably lead to worse problems.
Liberals feel that the problems are too serious to be passively left to chance in this way, and that government should have a role in influencing the social framework within which people act.
12-07-2005, 03:23 PM
I notice that after-shave & Sterno are not on the list; heartwarming that they should be looking out for the winos, who otherwise would have nothing to drink on Sunday.Originally Posted by VES
12-07-2005, 04:51 PM
I vaguly remember the reporter on the BN board in late '04 or early '05 going on about 2 weeks of M1T and he was suffering poor liver function and renal failure.
Originally Posted by michaelton
12-08-2005, 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by TINYTOAD
What the hell. Get out of your Montana cabin. This has nothing to do with liberalism.
Libertarianism is not the answer either. The problem here is that the government likes to focus on these little measures because its something quick and simple for them to get involved in to boost their ratings. They don't like to mess with the true inner workings of the system because it benefits them. Halodrol-50 barely impacts their voters and is almost a win-win. So they act on it.
Simple as that.
12-09-2005, 07:17 AM
True that! The suspension of the distribution of Haladrol-50 and its like compounds is a slam dunk for goverment pundits. When you tie in the "..helping athletes cheat drug tests" factor with the relatively small amount of androgen coumpound users that actually vote,you get an uncontested, NBA "all-star" defensed, half-time show slamdunk! You can't expect to run a buisness that skirts the law, when the enforcement of that law can empower so many people.Originally Posted by The Experiment
12-09-2005, 07:50 AM
You didn't finish your thought. You say that liberterianism is not the answer, but you forgot to say why.
I'd really like to hear your solution.
Also, what would your idol, Che Guevara, recommend? Was he communist, or just socialist?
Originally Posted by The Experiment
12-09-2005, 10:13 AM
Thanks tinytoad, I couldnt remember that guys name(castro's buddy) and it was bugging the hell out of me. And I'm sure he would be in favor of government dispersed halodrol-50, it would allow the people to work more hours on even less food.Originally Posted by TINYTOAD
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