DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) vs 7-oxo
- 10-25-2005, 05:06 PM
- 10-25-2005, 05:53 PM
7-oxo is the metabolite of DHEA which eliminates the hormonal aspect of the compound.
What do you want to accomplish by taking one or the other? It's hard to state pro's and con's without a goal of some type.
10-25-2005, 06:06 PM
10-25-2005, 07:24 PM
10-26-2005, 01:59 PM
Regarding usage, as a 46 year old OG - I'm looking to both retain muscle redice fat (I supplement like a mad man) and fight andropause (I don't know when it will kick in (it probably has), but I'm gonna fight like hell).
Probablt the same use as most OGs.
10-26-2005, 04:07 PM
DHEA + an AI in a systematic transdermal would be the best choice then.
Spook covered everything and then some with that write-up.
There are a couple threads over at avantlabs where a couple members experimented with this, (I believe it was Benson and Ergoman). Their summaries and discussions were very informative.
10-26-2005, 06:16 PM
Great. Any thoughst on the amount of transdermal DHEA? I'm assuming you also mean transdermal AI; any suggestions on that?
10-26-2005, 09:13 PM
there was some talk that the person who wrote that article had a" hiddin agenda".7oxo oraly' works great for me at 40 Im losing weight and staying up in my lifts and not having any of those problems they mentioned
10-27-2005, 01:10 AM
and 6-oxo are both good transdermally, although there is indication that formesane is slightly suppressive, as well as being slightly anabolic directly.
10-28-2005, 01:32 PM
I've been using 50mg of DHEA (tablets) daily for the past month now. Belly fat is coming off and strength has remained the same.
Also feeling better in general.
10-28-2005, 09:58 PM
well from what I am told straight DHEA can turn into test or estrogen.7oxo is non hormonal just helps burn fat and may help build muscle by keeping corisitol low.Ill bet there going to put this on the new ban list and that will suck
10-29-2005, 02:44 PM
10-29-2005, 04:05 PM
10-29-2005, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by skull
Umm, not true. 7-oxo is a metabolite of dhea and is absolutely a hormone. True, there are some studies that indicate it has little to no activity with the ar in the prostate, but we still don't know much about its binding potential elsewhere. There are also some studies that indicate that 7-oxo influences endogenous testosterone and estrogen levels, indicating that it does have some ar and er binding potential at least in the hypothalamous and pituitary.
10-29-2005, 10:04 PM
thanks for that info, one thing I know for sure its helping me lose fat and ethier gain or maintain muscleOriginally Posted by bow
10-31-2005, 09:47 AM
From Supplement Watch:Originally Posted by skull
DHEA is an androgenic hormone produced in the adrenal glands. In the body, DHEA is converted into other hormones such as testosterone, estrogen, progesterone or cortisol. Some natural products include wild yams as a source of DHEA. A metabolic precursor to DHEA, DHEA-S (dehydroepiandrosterone-3-sulfate) can be converted to DHEA and vice versa. DHEA levels are known to decrease with age - particularly after the age of 40, but perhaps as early as ages 20 - 30.
Stimulates libido/increases sex drive
Promotes weight loss
Builds /increases strength
Because DHEA levels decline with age (up to 90% reduction) and functions as a direct precursor to testosterone and estrogen, it is often promoted as a "fountain of " type of supplement. The theory is that by boosting blood DHEA levels, sex hormone levels can be elevated and some of the conditions associated with aging can be alleviated. Such conditions as muscle wasting, bone loss, loss of strength and and reduced sex drive may be potential targets for DHEA supplementation.
DHEA supplements, at 50 – 100 mg per day, have been shown to increase muscle mass and improve overall feelings of well-being among a group of 40-70 year old subjects who took the supplements for 6 months. Another small study (9 elderly men) showed a link between 5 months of DHEA supplementation (50mg/day) and improvements in markers of immune system function (lymphocytes, natural killer cells and immunoglobulins). Several studies have shown an increased serum testosterone levels following regular DHEA supplementation (50-100mg/day).
12-06-2005, 09:29 PM
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