help for 70 YO woman
- 10-18-2005, 10:04 AM
help for 70 YO woman
my mother -in-law's health has recently taken a bad turn.
i see her getting the old-lady's back hump, her energy and overall mental state is best described as exhausted.
she flately refuses any thing that needs to be adminestered with a needle so that leaves out igf-1 and /or hgh.
i have gotten her to start a TD dhea(of my own making) which she has been on for 2 days now. i was also thinking of some methylcobalamyn (sp), what are your thoughts on the best calcium supp' and other sugestions please?
- 10-18-2005, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by tiggermoon
10-18-2005, 01:32 PM
if anything fish oil and flax, anything else i would leave to the professionals like shor said. although sometimes the doctors suck a big one. find a doc you can trust and listen to him.
10-18-2005, 03:48 PM
He has a God given right to help his own mother. A degree does not replace genuine concern and never will.
Lots of fish oil (Carlson's cod liver oil is a good choice) and vitamin E. The methylcobalimin is a great idea and several tabs per day seem to be needed. An Emergen-C packet per day also makes a nice boost. Add 300 or more mg of folic acid to ward off cognitive decline and stabilize homocystein levels.
ALCAR..in capsules because I know how moms are...might be nice as well.
10-18-2005, 05:17 PM
I think this stuff with supplements is getting out of hands!! A degree??? If he is concerned about the mother in law (noble sentiment which i admire) should pay to go and see the best SPECIALIST reagrding her heatlh issue which has studied years and have tons of experiences and is a professional. do u know the sideeffects or interactions that the substances metnioned can have on a woman of 70 years old?? who has made a diagnose? has done some health test screenings?Homemade Dhea etc... crazy man!
10-18-2005, 06:58 PM
you would think i had said "i just my home surgery kit and was wondering which operation to perform."
a free, intellegent woman who researches everything she does asked me for suggestions and i passed that along here.
flame on mr. sho
10-18-2005, 07:26 PM
yea shorinryu, do you take creatine, NO supps, nootropics? have you been to a doctor to get diagnosed? did u have these things prescribed to you? or do you research and then buy accordingly...
tiggermoon I would look into green tea extract pills for her also--might help with her energy/mood.
10-18-2005, 09:08 PM
Tigger, while im not a doctor, im in the medical profession. Just a bit of advice. Find out what prescription drugs she is on. Go to drugstore.com and find their drug interaction checker and see if any of them may cause problems. If she is on any prescription drugs be wary of herbal supplements, I dont think you have to worry about green tea though. Celestial seasons makes a real nice tea bag of "green tea with anitoxidants" It tastes good and will help. As far as mood goes, there has been some research on SAM-e as an anti depressant. do your homework. It may be beneficial to bring her to a geriatric specialist for a hormonal work up , osteoporosis/boone densitometry testing. As well a prescribed anti depressant such as Lexapro or something of that kind may be in order. B complex vitamins also have a positive effect on mood and stress.
10-18-2005, 09:10 PM
I'm surprised you would consider injecting your 70 year old mother in law with hgh if she allowed it, that is rediculous. You have no idea what type of underlying medical problems she has (ie: malignant/metastatic tumors, etc) that hgh could potentially worsen. It's a nice gesture to want to help, but just get her to a specialist if you really care.
10-19-2005, 02:27 AM
Or she could just be getting tired from being 70.
Look guys..you're in a supplement thread. If someone comes in and asks what supplements should an elderly person take to feel better, I'm going to give them my best recommendations that are, indeed, backed up by research and safe.
If Tigger wanted medical advice he'd ask a doctor..and likely has but you're all assuming he's just some idiot who's experimenting on his mother in law for fun.
He's not. He's proven himself to be a smart and reasonable person and as such there's no harm in adding some basic supplements to her daily intake.
A bunch of bodybuilding freaks suddenly worried about "drug interactions" and "possible underlying tumors". Boy, you're all ones to talk, lemme tell ya. lmao.
10-19-2005, 08:07 AM
Ok I TRY NOT too be arrogant; I have a Bsc in exercise physiology (with first class) MSc same subject with distinction, I am finishing my PhD on the same subject and work as researcher) + PT certified u name it i have (included ISSA) still I would find difficult and inappropriate to advice about any health issues to anyone : a 70 years old, a normal man/woman or bodybuilders let alone injecting hgh. When I work I do in combinations with GPs, physioterapists and dieticians. There is an ethics for g sake! Dhea is one substance that has many side effects and considered not safe (He said also my ownmaking ); u do not need to trust me on that just research (the least side effects is a killer for hair in women....)
Reading a research required skills and knowledge also to interpret it and , because often researches give contradictory results, making a decision. You can do for yourself taking risk but not for others; this is the reason why there are people called DOCTORS!!
Again I respect Tiger very admirable guy and sad to hear this about his mother in law but for this issue professionals is the answer
10-19-2005, 04:37 PM
Fair enough. Yes HGH, DHEA are questionable and do have side effects that are most often dose dependent..but I wasn't going to delve into those. The list I gave is some pretty basic stuff that has proven benefit and low risk of contraindications.
Tigger was referring to the use of DHEA powder put into a commercially available transdermal solution. He won't be making his own DHEA .
I am a biologist with 10 years of working experience, a BS, all the prerequisites for a MS though I no longer wish to indulge academe with my money when information is so readily available. I know a thing or two about research. Really.
Be aware that Drs here in the States often have little to no working knowledge of vitamins, supplements or even diet. Even if he asked several doctors, he'd get several answers so in the end, it's up to his and his mom's best judgement. His mother-in-law should probably get some comprehensive panels run for good measure but sans any dramatic findings she'd probably still be on her own in terms of getting some additional energy and mojo.
But it's still funny to hear bodybuilders talk about drug interactions when we, as a community, are a bunch of guinea pigs for the supplement industry, the pharmacuetical industry, and all the underground labs of the world. hehe. Irony my freind, is alive and well.
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