ALRI Retain for PCT

[KD1]

I got a bottle of this and was dissappointed that it is methelated - not really a great idea for PCT. This makes me also wonder if its hormonal. I wish I knew what the stuff was. Anyone have any idea?

 

[Pioneer]

its meant for PCT, not all methyls are damaging to the liver, and i dont believe its hormonal.

 

[bigpetefox]

Response 1,000,000,002: Not ALL methyls are liver toxic...

More useful response: It's called Retain for just the purpose you intended it to be.. It's a stand alone, or part of a complete PCT with a SERM..

 

[KD1]

Good, well Im adding it into my ATD + Nolva PCT. So far this is my best PCT ever, kept all my weight and my strength is rising even.

 

[rocknroll]

I'm going to be using Nolva, Retain, Fenu, DHEA for a PCT after a 4 week PP cycle running 10/20/20/20. I'm 5'10 190 35yrs old. I have searched and found conflicting info regarding dosing and timing of the Retain. I was planning on taking 3 caps/ed but wondered if all should be taken before bed. Seems some are spreading throughout the day.

I know Dr. D says to take the Fenu before bed and spread DHEA throughout the day. Feedback on the timing of the Retain is welcome. Also, unless I hear otherwise, I will start out the Retain with 3 caps/ed for the first few weeks then decrease to 2 the last week or two of PCT.

 

[Irish Cannon]

im skeptical to use any cortisol reducer in pct again. i seem to get sick everytime i do it. usually in the third week. everything is going great then BAM, i get the flu. it could be due to low estrogen though. anyone want to add some advice? i may take igf -lr3 or albuterol instead, both of which have anti-catabolic properties.

 

[bigpetefox]

im skeptical to use any cortisol reducer in post cycle therapy again. i seem to get sick everytime i do it. usually in the third week. everything is going great then BAM, i get the flu. it could be due to low estrogen though. anyone want to add some advice? i may take igf -lr3 or albuterol instead, both of which have anti-catabolic properties.

Your immune system is weakened by whatever you "cycle" with.. Take a good antioxidant blend with berry extracts, maybe pomegranate, Acai, or Noni.. :study:

 

[Irish Cannon]

Your immune system is weakened by whatever you "cycle" with.. Take a good antioxidant blend with berry extracts, maybe pomegranate, Acai, or Noni.. :study:

if that was the case, shouldnt the flu be making itself known MUCH sooner than the middle of week 3 during pct?

 

[jmh80]

I think a cortisol supplement is pretty much standard - unless one has a reaction like Irish did.

I would always recommend folks get a cort reducing supp for PCT.
If you are one of the rare ones like Irish - then drop it, or drop the dose.
But - I've not had any trouble with Retain or any other cort. reducing supps and colds/flu/etc during PCT, and I've not heard of any of my buddies having problems either.

 

[rocknroll]

Hey JMH80 (or anyone else who might have insight...) After my 4 week phera plex cycle (10/20/20/20) my planned PCT involves Nolva, Retain, Fenu, DHEA. In your opinion do you think this is OK?

Also, I would like to do an ActivaTe and RR (NHA) stack after the PCT but was thinking maybe I should run the ActivaTe WITH my PCT. I'm just trying to keep costs down during PCT but of course want to protect my gains. I was purposefully staying away from RXT (or RR for that matter) during the PCT due to overkill. Thoughts on this too?

 

[Ziricote]

*should* be enough rocknroll, instead of using Activate throughout PCT how about using it 2 weeks into PCT so that you then also have 2 weeks of it solo?

 

[jmh80]

Hey JMH80 (or anyone else who might have insight...) After my 4 week phera plex cycle (10/20/20/20) my planned post cycle therapy involves Nolva, Retain, Fenu, DHEA. In your opinion do you think this is OK?

Also, I would like to do an ActivaTe and RR (NHA) stack after the PCT but was thinking maybe I should run the ActivaTe WITH my PCT. I'm just trying to keep costs down during PCT but of course want to protect my gains. I was purposefully staying away from RXT (or RR for that matter) during the PCT due to overkill. Thoughts on this too?

I love "kitchen sink" PCT's now that I've done one (first was really basic - back before most of this crap was out).

Yeah - that is fine. You've got the basics covered. SERM, ant-cort, and some test boosting.
However - I've seen Dr. D recommend DHEA only when taking an AI. So, since you don't want to run RR/RXT - you might look into taking DHEA out (search....).

IMO Activate works best with a test booster - RR to be precise. I'd just run it with RR after PCT.

Gains should be fine with what you planned on taking. Just don't do what I did and try to screw around with cals after a bulk - I lost most of it. Just make sure and eat.

 

[rocknroll]

I love "kitchen sink" PCT's now that I've done one (first was really basic - back before most of this crap was out).

Yeah - that is fine. You've got the basics covered. SERM, ant-cort, and some test boosting.
However - I've seen Dr. D recommend DHEA only when taking an AI. So, since you don't want to run RR/RXT - you might look into taking DHEA out (search....).

IMO Activate works best with a test booster - RR to be precise. I'd just run it with RR after PCT.

Gains should be fine with what you planned on taking. Just don't do what I did and try to screw around with cals after a bulk - I lost most of it. Just make sure and eat.

Good analogy with the "kitchen sink"...

I will research taking DHEA with no AI. Also I will be sure to watch the diet and keep the cals up. I hadn't thought about that...would've perhaps cut back a "smidge" had you not mentioned it.

MUCH thanks for the feedback and guidance!

Another question...The directions on the AX Retain bottle says to take 2-3/day with food. I thought I read someone recommend taking them mostly at night before bed. That seems odd. I understand maybe taking one before bed so it works while sleeping but all or mostly....hmmmm...I'm currently taking one breakfast, one mid-afternoon, and one at bedtime. Does this sound OK?

 

[jmh80]

I have been able to take Retain whenever. I'm resistant to many stims though.
The tyramine does provide some (many?) folks with a stimulant-feeling. So bedtime may be a bad idea.
I've taken it at bed and had no problem.

If I were to take it (and I have) - I would take one first thing, one about 4 hours later and one pre-WO.
Before bed could replace the 4 hr. later dose if you want.
But - pre-WO is one of the best times as cortisol will spike during your WO.

 

[BigMattTx]

I have been able to take Retain whenever. I'm resistant to many stims though.
The tyramine does provide some (many?) folks with a stimulant-feeling. So bedtime may be a bad idea.
I've taken it at bed and had no problem.

If I were to take it (and I have) - I would take one first thing, one about 4 hours later and one pre-WO.
Before bed could replace the 4 hr. later dose if you want.
But - pre-WO is one of the best times as cortisol will spike during your WO.

I have used Retain for PCT and I completely agree with everything said....BUMP to this

 

[NO HYPE]

Good analogy with the "kitchen sink"...

I will research taking DHEA with no AI. Also I will be sure to watch the diet and keep the cals up. I hadn't thought about that...would've perhaps cut back a "smidge" had you not mentioned it.

MUCH thanks for the feedback and guidance!

Another question...The directions on the AX Retain bottle says to take 2-3/day with food. I thought I read someone recommend taking them mostly at night before bed. That seems odd. I understand maybe taking one before bed so it works while sleeping but all or mostly....hmmmm...I'm currently taking one breakfast, one mid-afternoon, and one at bedtime. Does this sound OK?

Yes. Spacing dosages evenly = less fluctuation in desired levels.

 

[jmh80]

I agree No - but there are specific times when research tell us cortisol spikes more than any other time during the day.