low testosterone guys at 17
10-02-2005 04:23 PM
low testosterone guys at 17
hi people im wondering if you would input any suggestions or comments in my low testosterone. I recently posted this in the bodybuilding.com forum and would like to know what you lot think this is what i posted.
Alright let me explain my situation, I am 17, i started going to the gym since February, and like 4 months into going to the gym i completely lost my libido, and felt very tired all the time and begining to loose interest in the world.I am not overtraining, and i have got my diet fixed, I have learnt everything from this forum. So ok i decided to get my blood test done as i explained my situation to the doctor. The next week i got my blood test........AND this is cannot be happening to me.
Serum Sodium 140 nmol/L (136-145U)
Serum Potassium 4.2 nmol/L (3.5-5.1U)
Serum Creatinine 90 umol/L (75-125U)
Serum Urea Level 10.5 nmol/L (3.0-7.5U) <-----high
Thyroid Function test:
Serum TSH level 1.18uIU/ml (0.35-4.94U) <------low end
Serum free T4 level 16.7 pmol/L (9.0-19.0U)
Serum fasting glucose level:
Plasma glucose level 3.4mmol/L (3.0-6.0U)<----low end of range?
Serum VItamin B12:
Serum vitamin B12 945 ng/L (179-1162U)
Serum folate 5.9 ug/L (2.7-34.0U) <-----low end
R Testosterone test:
Serum testosterone 6.4 nmol/L (10.5-31.0U) <---OH MY GOSH
I think 6.4 can be translated to 184ng/dl
OH MY GOSH I DONT BELIEVE IT IT CANT BE........THE WHOLE DAY I WAS JUST STARING AT THE FIGURE ITS NOT EVEN IN THE RANGE NOT EVEN IN THE LOW END OF THE RANGE......BUT WAY OUT OF THE RANGE!!! Im 17 wats going to happen to me,,,,,,,it looks like i have to quit bodybuilding right?bodybuilding is my life... Life is gonna crash down....Dont wanna go on HRT im only 17.....only 17
Serum Prolaction test:
Serum prolactin level 194 mU/L (54-380U)
Full blood count- FBC
Haemoglobin estimation 13.6g/dl (11.0-18.0U)
Total white cell count 3.69 (4.00-11.00U)<--Low! wat the crap
Platelet count 244 (130-450U)
My blood test was taken in the morning at around 9:30am.....this is when test levels is meant to be highest i just cant believe my test levels is this low AND IM 17!!! i just dont know what to do now......I definitely dont wanna go on HRT I wanna try another alternative to increase my testosterone level....I dont know why but my libido has decrease drastically in the past 4 months and i use to be horney every single second literally. Wat has gone wrong with me? My doc said although it is out of the range it is still "normal" As it may be "normal" for your body...WAT DA F***....Hes asked me to get another blood test in 3 months and if it is that low still to discuss the options.....I just dont get it. what should i do? I thought i was doing ok in the gym gaining some bit and there sometimes but maybe cause im a newbie. Can i go on HCG?CLomid? ANYTHING!!! i just dont want to go on HRT im just too young.
im just confused...yesterday i was just sitting there starin at the paper with no emotion and really silent felt like i was dead. bodybuilding is my life......what should i do? I need some real desperate help from all you out there especially those with low test.......I have never seen anyone on here with a blood test outside the range as well...maybe just on the lower end of the range. I learnt a lot of things from this forum my diet is 40/40/20 and i am taking multi vitamins, right now on creatine mon, fish oil, oats, clean healthy food. Train 3 times a week with splits.
does it only look like the prohormones are my only way up? i really dont wanna quit bodybuilding. and dont wanan take HRT as i said im only 17 havent even lived 20% of my life.
please somewhere there help me
can you help me also explain my other levels from my test results.
thanks guys any help is appreciated
10-02-2005 05:40 PM
You're only 17. Most guys don't stop growing completely until they're about 25. You've got 8 years for those hormones to fluctuate; don't worry so much right now.
Get regular tests done, and if things are not getting better after a long time then you can start to worry.
Hell, I'm about to be 22 and I don't even have facial hair yet. My best friend's grandfather didn't start getting facial hair until he had turned 25. Everyone is different and grows at different paces. Just relax and see how things pan out over time.
10-02-2005 05:41 PM
Also, you need to change your age under your avatar. Don't start out here lying.
10-02-2005 05:50 PM
Good catch. I saw that too but didnt post anything because i figured a mod would step in pretty soon.
Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne
10-02-2005 06:06 PM
Chill out bro.
HRT isn't a big deal.
There is a guy I work with that told me he's been on 100 mg/week injections for years.
Seriously, step away from the pill bottle/knife.
10-02-2005 09:42 PM
Just relax. I read an article in Muscular Development that challenge the idea that test levels are highest from 16-25. I think it was last year and if I am remembering right it was written by Carlon Colker. You are the second person this week who I have seen threads about low test under 21 which makes me think that maybe he was right. Just look at what is going on in your life right now, you mentioned a "clean" diet which can mean a lot of different things, start there, then look at stress and emotional strain. There are many studies corrolating depression and low test levels (it's a chicken or the egg thing though), then consider what you have ingested or invovled yourself in recently as far as medication ar recreational drug use, finally DO NOT STOP TRAINING, this is not an unsupassable wall before you, it is merely an obstacle that you will have to be masterfull in overcoming. Live the life that brings you happiness. Start at the begining and work your way back. Any PH/PS/AAS/ATD/Serm use in the past?
10-03-2005 06:04 AM
my only supplements i have taken are ephedrine hcl, caffeine, creatine monohydrate, whey protein, multivitamins, zma for like 3 weeks, calcium, l'carnitine, no ph or anything like that. Wat did the muscle magazine say? even though it maybe true...howcomes i did have a raging sex drive and now its like diminished......
also how have you been doing in the gym despite the slow growth of facial hair
Thanks guys for all these help
10-03-2005 06:11 AM
Now this is interesting, and actually makes sense.
Originally Posted by Dungeon1
Every guy I see that gets started lifting in their later 20s tends to grow pretty damn fast relative to most of the kids in the gym, so its a reasonable assertion.
If you hear anymore info on it, update us
10-03-2005 08:22 AM
I take all of my old mags into the gym. I may be able to find the article and reread it, but I am pretty sure his assertion was that high test in young adulthood was a myth. I believe that he stated that test was highest at around 30. Which would make sense if you look at bodybuilders; most of them don't reach there potential until after 30.
10-03-2005 08:33 AM
low thyroid , low sugar low test could be not eating enough for for what your body needs and the creatine running throu gh the kidneys could be helping to create the rest at that age IMO.
10-03-2005 04:01 PM
When I was a teen and started weightlifting at about age 15, I shot up from 170lbs to 210lbs in about 1 and a half years. No joke. I have an incredible amount of stretchmarks to prove it.
I didn't know anything about diet or anything about bodybuilding. All I did was flat bench and squats, as recommended by my PE teacher. I grew like crazy and had insane libido/testosterone.
But I ate literally like 4,000-6,000 kcal a day. Not intentionally, I was just starving. And it was extremely dirty kcals.
I think the problem we are seeing with teen bodybuilders and low natural testosterone, is all because of diet. The diet is actually too clean and consist of not enough calories, for full optimum development to take place.
Don't get me started on very young teens trying to cut below 6-7% bodyfat, rediculous. I can understand an 18 year old who wants to compete in a bodybuilding competition. But for a developing young man, to go on a cut to get below 6-7% bodyfat, when he is like 13-17 years old, is just a hormonal/thyroidal/developmental **** storm.
My recommendation would be to seriously up the calories, drop all isolation lifts, and do COMPOUND LIFTS. Get lots of rest, don't be afraid to get a little chubby. Then when you get to be around 20 years old, go on a cut and get back on your lifelong healthy diet.
Food is anabolic, food is pro-hormonal (not a pro-hormone, pro-hormonal) for those who can optimally use it, and thats what a teenage body does, optimally use any kind of food you give it. SO EAT!
Also if your still taking things like ephedrine/caffeine, stop it. In some men, there will be too much adrenaline stimulation from these types of supplements, resulting in extremely low blood flow to you private parts. This goes away when you discontinue said product, but if you were on any stims for a long period of time before the blood test, it might of effected it.
10-03-2005 04:24 PM
I think its time for some honesty. Have you taken any pro hormone/steroids? not using proper post cycle treatment could explain your test levels. i find it unusual that a 17 year old would think HRT, HCG, and chlomid, unless someone recommended it already at BB.com.
10-05-2005 12:07 PM
well I can say I had similar problems at 15 btu it was due to lack of eating, and lack of sleep.
but beyond that I had no test probs,
then again I ate fats, and not always ate a clean diet.
10-05-2005 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by dark_star
10-05-2005 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Dungeon1
You have any idea what issue of MD that article was in. I find that highly interesting.
10-05-2005 09:00 PM
I can't remember, but like I said I am in the process of reviewing all of the mags that I still have access to. I will let everyone know if I find it. Hell, I'll scan it and put it up on this thread if I do.
10-05-2005 09:20 PM
how about you confess to us that you use m1t for awhile! thats why you completely blunted your testes from ever producing test efficiently...it is a teste killer for kids under the age of 21.....it could have happened...i am not saying it did happen though...just be honest with us, so we can give you honest answers
10-06-2005 03:03 AM
10-06-2005 06:03 AM
Running with the Big Boys
Chill everyone.. .if he wants some real advise that is pertinent to his problem, he would or will give us all the factors. If not, he will just be getting advice that wont help his situation at all... its all in his court. His life.
10-06-2005 10:15 AM
I have upped my calories to around 800 over maintiainence i have been eating like crazy....Im at the moment around 16% bodyfat now been long term bulking for around 3 months from 13% bodyfat.
Originally Posted by TheTom
And yes ive been making gains in the gym, but probs newbie gains. I just had a surge of gains on my bench press incline and flat by about 25 lbs in a space of 6 weeks....I went from 130lbs to 200lbs bench press so far.....However nowadays i get so tired and dont have that PUMP feeling as i did during my start of low test. I also am much stronger than i actually look so i dont know, is that a symptom of low test. I started off at a weight of 130lbs and 12% bodyfat and now im around 154lbs and 16% bodyfat. I started training in around feb, and i made good gains probs all these are newbie gains and i stopped in end of may for 2 whole month cos of exams a lot of work. When i came back i lost a huge amount of strenght already!, And took me about 4 weeks to get back to where i was.
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