Supplements for tendon and ligament elasticity?
09-26-2005 06:25 PM
Supplements for tendon and ligament elasticity?
I am wondering if anyone has heard of any supplements with the purported benefit of addind/repairing elasticity in tendons and ligaments.
I realize there are a number of supplements that decrease tendon and ligament inflammation but I am actually talking about a return of elasticity.
I have noticed over the last year that though I have no difficulty steatching certain body parts (like calves for example) it seems like my lower legs have a lot less "spring" to them.
09-26-2005 07:02 PM
09-26-2005 08:19 PM
The very best is Omega Sports Flex Support. Get two bottles of this stuff and you will notice the difference. And it doesn't take months to go into effect like glucosamine does.
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09-26-2005 08:44 PM
I believe that Cissus Quadralangis is used for this purpose. Check out Synergy Muscle.com
09-26-2005 08:45 PM
Elasticity?? that would be stretching but for tendon strength and health there is Cissus RX.
Originally Posted by Mr.50
09-26-2005 08:50 PM
Cissus RX is great for the purposes of repair.
09-26-2005 10:13 PM
Cissus RX is an awesome product. I've used flax oil, fish oil, glucosamine and msm all simultaneously with no results, but as soon as I added cissus into the mix I experienced relief within a few weeks time.
09-26-2005 10:16 PM
buy 2 bottles of cissus and give it a little time.
but glucosamine/chondroitin/msm can't hurt--it's dirt cheap.
09-26-2005 10:18 PM
I just received a bottle of Cissus and will be starting tomorrow. Have used Omega Flex with good effect for soreness and pain in joints but I guess what I am talking about is that I box ofter and I used to be pretty light on my feet with quick movements and I always felt that I could really bounce off of my legs into a punch. Now since I have experienced this soreness in my ankles it just seems like even when the pain goes away my calves just don't have that much bounce. Sort of like the type of elastic explosive strength that is developed from plyometric training even if it is independant to isotonic strength like lifting.
09-26-2005 10:21 PM
Alright I am excited about starting the Cissus!
09-26-2005 11:43 PM
Cissus will help with the pain but won't significantly increase flexibility/"springiness". I noticed that numerous ph/ps and anti-e cycles worsened the condition. But after over half a year off I've noticed better movement/explosiveness.
09-27-2005 12:32 AM
I have heard somewhere that strength comes from muscle cell contraction but the explosiveness comes from tendons ability (or lack thereof) to convert ecentric force into concentric force. It is strange that aas, ps/ph, and AI could increase muscle contractile force but negatively effect explosive power output, but I have anecdotally noticed that also and have heard it from others????
Originally Posted by ersatz
09-27-2005 01:29 PM
The commonly held belief is that the rate at which steroids increase muscle strength exceeds that of tendon strength leading to tendon injuries. But there are some studies showing AAS cause collagen dysplasia: it causes a high ratio of type III collagen to type I collagen. Studies seem to contradict one another and most are on rats but may still be pertinent.
Int J Sports Med. 2000 Aug;21(6):406-11. Related Articles, Links
The effect of supraphysiological doses of anabolic androgenic steroids on collagen metabolism.
Parssinen M, Karila T, Kovanen V, Seppala T.
National Public Health Institute, Laboratory of Substance Abuse, Helsinki, Finland. email@example.com
We examined the effect of supraphysiological doses of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) on collagen metabolism and whether the changes reflect the alterations in muscle, bone, and tendon collagen metabolism, possibly in a tissue-specific manner. Serum carboxyterminal propeptide of type I procollagen (PICP), carboxyterminal telopeptide of type I collagen (ICTP), aminoterminal propeptide of type III procollagen (PIIINP), urine hydroxylysylpyridinoline (HP), and lysylpyridinoline (LP) as well as urine creatinine were determined from 17 men abusing AAS. Measurements were made twice during the intake of AAS and twice during the subsequent withdrawal period. When the volunteers were on steroids, their serum PIIINP concentrations and urine HP/LP ratio were significantly higher and their serum ICTP concentrations were significantly lower than during the withdrawal period (p < 0.05). Serum PIIINP correlated with total cumulative doses of injectable intramuscular steroids, and serum ICTP correlated with the duration of the steroid intake period (p<0.05). The results suggest that high doses of AAS decrease the degradation and seem to increase the synthesis of type I collagen. Furthermore, high doses of AAS are suggested to enhance soft tissue collagen metabolism on the basis of increased type III collagen synthesis and elevated HP/LP ratio during the steroid administration period. Although the tissue-specific turnover of collagen of soft connective tissues remains unknown, the turnover of bone collagen seems not to change following the use of high doses of AAS, at least within the time interval of the present study.
PMID: 10961515 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
: Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1991 Jan;23(1):1-3. Related Articles, Links
Anabolic steroid-induced tendon pathology: a review of the literature.
Laseter JT, Russell JA.
Joe W. King Orthopedic Institute, Houston, TX 77030.
Anabolic steroids have attained a prominent, albeit highly controversial, position among ergogenic aids for power athletes. Adverse effects of these compounds are well documented, but their popularity persists. One of their possible side effects which has received little attention is abnormal form and function of connective tissue in steroid-abusing athletes. Scientific and medical literature addressing this concern is scant and is generally limited to observed effects in animals. Anabolic steroid use paralleled with exercise may lead to dysplasia of collagen fibrils, which can decrease the tensile strength of tendon. Changes in tendon's crimp morphology have been shown to occur, as well, which may alter the rupturing strain of tendon and the normal biomechanics of the extremities. Given the megadoses of steroids taken by some athletes and the large forces incurred by power-trained musculature, the integrity of tendinous tissue in these athletes may be at significant risk of compromise if steroids do, in fact, exert a destructive effect. Additional investigation in the area reviewed here is warranted before anabolic steroids can be decisively implicated in human connective tissue disruption. It is recommended, however, that consideration be given to including potential tissue alterations among the side effects of steroid abuse.
09-27-2005 01:58 PM
09-27-2005 03:54 PM
So update us on that stuff because my biceps tendons are sore as hell.
09-27-2005 04:03 PM
Stuff like grape seed extract is supposed to spur collagen synthesis and from what I can tell, it does. Skin texture gets subtely smoother when on it.
All in all, stretching and maintaining elasticity has been my biggest hurtle when bulking up. Forced stretches, IMO, are the only thing that will reliably lengthen tendons and induced micro tears that spur collagen repair. Things like Celadrin my help facilitate this but getting older is getting older..it sucks, lol. I noticed signifcant tendon repair from IGF r3...but I never maintain my stretching routine so it was lost.
I used to be able to jump into the splits and jump kick the top of a door frame 15 years ago, now I can hardly touch my toes.
09-27-2005 10:45 PM
age is a real mf'er and I am not even that old yet (thoug I feel old)
09-28-2005 02:42 AM
Even at 33..it's hittin me, lol. Got my chiropractor appointment tomorrow..thank God.
09-28-2005 09:59 AM
dead sexy wino
You old bastards just complain and complain
09-28-2005 11:35 AM
But I want to stay young and beautiful forever!!
Alright, well one out of two ain't bad.
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