*Liver Tab FAQ*

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  1. Here's one for you newbie, Im sure you'll choose to ignore this one also


    According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino-acid utilization, a growth factor and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

    "... liver tablets are one of the most potent training aids for the bodybuilder. The formula is an extract which contains only trace amounts of fat and cholesterol, but forty-five times the nutritional value of whole beef liver, yet with all the nutrients and enzymes of raw liver."

    "...being very high in useable bodybuilding protein of the highest quality (it contains all the essential amino acids). It's a strong blood builder supplying heme iron. It is a very rich source of B vitamins, especially riboflavin, niacin, B-12, and the lipotropics choline and inositol. It's a good source of vitamins A, C, and D and other micro-nutrients and very rich in minerals such as the anti oxidant selenium, phosphorous, copper, zinc, and GTF chromium (insulin regulator). In addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver shown to have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance such as cytochrome P-450 and others that have yet to be identified. "


    "In a classic experiment, Dr. B. H. Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease. In a nutshell here's how this occurred:

    Dr. Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a twelve week period. Group one ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group two ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group three ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

    Then the doctor placed the rats one by one into a drum of water, out of which they could not climb. Therefore, it was either swim or drown. The group one rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group two, an average of 13.4 minutes. Group three, however, were still swimming at the end of two hours, at which time the experiment was concluded. Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long. As far as we know, no other supplement has even come close to liver in improving endurance."


  2. Originally posted by YellowJacket

    Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long.
    LOL... "oh ****, Moe went under!! swim, fellas, swim!!"
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  3. Originally posted by Biggin


    LOL... "oh ****, Moe went under!! swim, fellas, swim!!"
    Guess thats why they didnt use humans

  4. You should be banned for failing to read around the board before posting, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt since you're trying hard. This has been discussed in full length in another thread. Exactly how there's no way you can get MCD from liver tabs. Please, do us a favor and read and research before you waste my time.
    Just to put the mad-cow-disease-from-liver-tabs worry to bed:

    According to the FDA, any beef related dietary supplement sold in the US must not originate from the 31 'black listed' countries where BSE is known to occur.

    check it out at:
    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/bsefaq.html

    Argentina is not on the list.

    To say the liver tabs have a significant amount of aminos is kinda silly...2.3g in every two tabs?
    You take 15 - 18 liver tabs per day...

    Maybe I'm just bad at computers...oh, and if you want your text to stop being bolded when making multi quotes close the bold tag inside the quote tag (computers are hard, its ok).

    I got the impression this board was about sharing and discussing body building information and ideas. I would like to discuss liver tabs not have my intelligence questioned. If thats a problem I'll be more than happy to leave yellowjacketminds.com.
    That's kind of uncalled for, JayMc. I dont know Yellowjacket, but Ive read enough of his posts on enough bodybuilding boards to know that he's an intelligent guy who really does know what he's talking about. He would not be so vehement in supporting the use of liver tabs if the were total BS.

    LiverTabs have been around since the 50's. The reason they are still around is because they work, and they work very well. They supply many of the basic building blocks for building muscle, in addition to providing positive water retention.

    I have been taking LiverTabs since I got serious about getting big out about a year and a half ago. Since then, in addition to consistent diet and training, I have gone from 175 to my current bodyweight of 220. Every friend that I have turned on to LiverTabs has noted positive results. Could this be the placebo effect? Maybe. But after hearing positive results from nearly everyone who takes them, and seeing positive results myself, I would think this is not the case. For less than $10 a month, they are definately a worthwhile supplement to invest in.

    You can ignore everything above and just answer this: what do liver tabs provide me that taking a multivitamin and taking whey protein wont.
    Beef liver. Dont just compare the numbers. Whey protien isnt the only type of protien you should have in your diet. Whey protien does not contain the entire B-complex (neither do most multi's I know of), which is essential for fast muscle repair. You definately notice faster recovery time while supplementing with Uni-Liver. I see this as one of its prime benefits.

    As I stated above, LiverTabs have been around for a long, long time. Its not like this is Jay Cutler saying "I take Nitro-tech and look how huge I am". This is hundreds, if not thousands, of bodybuilders throughout history saying "I supplement with beef liver, I see results". We are not pushing any one product or brand. No one is out to make a dollar. We are trying to let other lifters know that this is an inexpensive supplement that works, and works well. A can of UniLiver can be had for $10 and will last over a month.

    Keep taking your Whey and your multivitamin. Add 15 LiverTabs/day to your regimen, try that for a month. If you dont see results, you're out $10 and they didnt work for you.

    They work for me and countless others. I think you should at least try them before you actually attack a supplement that is thought to be essential to the diets of guys who are light-years ahead of both you and I in terms of physical development and knowledge in this field.

    Like YellowJacket, for example.

    BigVrunga
    Last edited by BigVrunga; 04-06-2003 at 11:02 PM.

  5. Hehe, I just finished reading that study a few mintues ago. I was just about to post it when I realized you beat me to it. Although, we know how most feel about rat studies.....

    It's too bad there's been little research done on livertabs with humans. But then I guess there's enough research on it's contents to not bother with the whole.
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  6. Originally posted by Draven
    Hehe, I just finished reading that study a few mintues ago. I was just about to post it when I realized you beat me to it. Although, we know how most feel about rat studies.....

    True, but I dont think you could put humans in a pool, some on a dessicated liver, some not and see how long they could swim until one drown

    But no study should be needed. There is nothing special in liver tabs. As BigV's post above says, its all basic ingredients. Things like vitamins, minerals, protein, amino acids, etc. that have been proven to work, with or without studies. I hate to sound like an arrogant ******* in this thread, but I feel justifying myself over and over again is bull**** since this supplement section is full of liver tab info. Oh well, cant satisfy everyone.

  7. BV, sorry if you thought what I said was rude. Thats just kinda how I feel. I get nothing but hostility and personal attacks from YJ. I don't feel bad because he does that to a lot of people from what I've read. Thanks for responding to my questions, its appreciated.

    YJ, why couldn't you have just posted that article w/o the bashing and calling me stupid? Would it have been that hard on you?

    Look man, the people I've met at the gym working out and 99.9% of the people on the internet have been some of the nicest people I've ever met. Always willing to help, always willing to answer questions. They don't have to do this but they do anyway because they remember what it was like to be new or because at some point someone helped them out. If you think my questions are stupid or pointless thats fine, don't answer them. Someone else will (like BV). But please don't attack me and call me ignorant and furthermore the entire anorexicguy.net thing was just silly. As if all that weren't bad enough you compared me to pjorstad...thats low man... In the future just ignore my questions or reply to them in a civil way (like you did in the post where you posted the article, minus the part where you called me a newbie).

    I'm not gonna ask anymore liver tab questions. Its not worth the raking over the coals that would come before an answer.

    Thanks.

    J

  8. Originally posted by Jay Mc
    BV, sorry if you thought what I said was rude. Thats just kinda how I feel. I get nothing but hostility and personal attacks from YJ. I don't feel bad because he does that to a lot of people from what I've read. Thanks for responding to my questions, its appreciated.
    Awww.... Now I feel bad Its an online message board, dont take it so seriously.

    YJ, why couldn't you have just posted that article w/o the bashing and calling me stupid? Would it have been that hard on you?
    Where's the fun in that?

    Look man, the people I've met at the gym working out and 99.9% of the people on the internet have been some of the nicest people I've ever met. Always willing to help, always willing to answer questions. They don't have to do this but they do anyway because they remember what it was like to be new or because at some point someone helped them out. If you think my questions are stupid or pointless thats fine, don't answer them. Someone else will (like BV).
    I normally would do that, but when you quote me and direct questions to me, I sort of feel like you're talking to me, can you blame me? I normally wouldnt have the attitude except you come here acting like you're gods gift to the bodybuilding world and attempt to refute an 'article' I put together myself with mundane, tired old statements I have heard 1000 times. And before you give the "Im new" excuse, the search button has been here the whole time you've been registered.


    But please don't attack me and call me ignorant and furthermore the entire anorexicguy.net thing was just silly. As if all that weren't bad enough you compared me to pjorstad...thats low man... In the future just ignore my questions or reply to them in a civil way (like you did in the post where you posted the article, minus the part where you called me a newbie).
    I have written a very good piece titled "How to handle a newbie", I suggest you dig that up and read it. Furthermore, thanks but no thanks, I dont need the lesson on how to respond to people and their repetitive questions and lackluster rebutles. As for the pjorstad comparison, sorry it just gave me flashbacks.

    I'm not gonna ask anymore liver tab questions. Its not worth the raking over the coals that would come before an answer.
    This is the idea. Maybe next time you'll hit the search function and dig the answers up yourself. Have a good one, YJ

  9. Originally posted by YellowJacket [/b]
    ....except you come here acting like you're gods gift to the bodybuilding world and attempt to refute an 'article' I put together myself with mundane, tired old statements I have heard 1000 times. And before you give the Im new excuse, the search button has been here the whole time you've been registered.

    [/b]
    First, I'm 5'8 and about 150lbs w/about 8% body fat. I don't think that makes me a great body builder or even a good one. Second I didn't try and refute anything. I was just asking questions, they were to you. I'm sorry, I wont do that again.

    J

  10. Originally posted by Jay Mc


    Second I didn't try and refute anything. I was just asking questions, they were to you. I'm sorry, I wont do that again.


    Good idea. Now can we please quit ruining my thread?

  11. i'm gonna have to add 16 tablets of uni liver to my current 16 tablets of fish oil now

  12. There's nothing wrong with asking questions when the answers aren't set in stone. Your liver tab FAQ is good, YJ, however is isn't the end-all gospel of liver tab info that will cover every possible tangent that may arise (that would be near impossible to write). The study regarding the anti-fatigue 450 enzyme was a good post (something we used to have over at BB.com), and actually answered a question asked "What will liver tabs give me that whey and a multi won't?" This hardly ruined your thread, it actually gave us more information to examine, which is our goal here at AM, full exploration and analyzation of issues.

  13. Originally posted by pinoy
    i'm gonna have to add 16 tablets of uni liver to my current 16 tablets of fish oil now

    Can you get fish oil in liquid form? That would make things much easier....

  14. Originally posted by jweave23
    There's nothing wrong with asking questions when the answers aren't set in stone. Your liver tab FAQ is good, YJ, however is isn't the end-all gospel of liver tab info that will cover every possible tangent that may arise (that would be near impossible to write). The study regarding the anti-fatigue 450 enzyme was a good post (something we used to have over at BB.com), and actually answered a question asked "What will liver tabs give me that whey and a multi won't?" This hardly ruined your thread, it actually gave us more information to examine, which is our goal here at AM, full exploration and analyzation of issues.

    Yes, I thought that article was already here, I suppose it wasnt. This thread is as complete as it can be in my opinion. To come and ask smartass questions because I rained on his glutamine parade is a waste of my time and board space. Not to sound like an *******, but each of those questions could have been answered via the search engine. Ah well, guess thats what they pay me for

  15. Jay, don't sweat asking questions or exploring different trains of thought. That's what we want here at AM.

  16. Originally posted by YellowJacket



    Can you get fish oil in liquid form? That would make things much easier....
    nope...wish there was, wouldn't have to buy flax oil anymore :P

  17. Originally posted by pinoy


    nope...wish there was, wouldn't have to buy flax oil anymore :P
    Damn that kind of sucks man, I thought for sure fish oil was avaliable in liquid form.

  18. Also, here at AM, we're about taking it upon ourselves to research and help ourselves. Im more than willing to help those who will help themselves. Basic questions, such as the ones asked above, could have been found easily using only this board. Here at AM, we try to avoid the simplistic questions, we are more for advanced discussion and problem solving.

  19. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Here's one for you newbie, Im sure you'll choose to ignore this one also


    According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino-acid utilization, a growth factor and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

    "... liver tablets are one of the most potent training aids for the bodybuilder. The formula is an extract which contains only trace amounts of fat and cholesterol, but forty-five times the nutritional value of whole beef liver, yet with all the nutrients and enzymes of raw liver."

    "...being very high in useable bodybuilding protein of the highest quality (it contains all the essential amino acids). It's a strong blood builder supplying heme iron. It is a very rich source of B vitamins, especially riboflavin, niacin, B-12, and the lipotropics choline and inositol. It's a good source of vitamins A, C, and D and other micro-nutrients and very rich in minerals such as the anti oxidant selenium, phosphorous, copper, zinc, and GTF chromium (insulin regulator). In addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver shown to have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance such as cytochrome P-450 and others that have yet to be identified. "


    "In a classic experiment, Dr. B. H. Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease. In a nutshell here's how this occurred:

    Dr. Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a twelve week period. Group one ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group two ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group three ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

    Then the doctor placed the rats one by one into a drum of water, out of which they could not climb. Therefore, it was either swim or drown. The group one rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group two, an average of 13.4 minutes. Group three, however, were still swimming at the end of two hours, at which time the experiment was concluded. Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long. As far as we know, no other supplement has even come close to liver in improving endurance."
    I made this post at bb.com on a liver tab thread, explaining the benefits of dessicated liver a few months ago. Nice the way you take my posts and use them to your advantage when it suits you. Eric serrano has much more updated tests proving the value of glutamine. But then that's just real world experience, not pubmed, right?



    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...0&pagenumber=2

  20. Originally posted by John Benz

    I made this post at bb.com on a liver tab thread, explaining the benefits of dessicated liver a few months ago. Nice the way you take my posts and use them to your advantage when it suits you. Eric serrano has much more updated tests proving the value of glutamine. But then that's just real world experience, not pubmed, right?



    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...p;pagenumber=2
    I certainly didnt try to pass it off as my own, since its not all the great. As far as using it to suit me, yes, that was its use as is much of the use of information on the internet. Are you an information Nazi? (LoL).

    Eric who? Sorry John, this isnt a glutamine thread.

  21. Originally posted by YellowJacket



    Can you get fish oil in liquid form? That would make things much easier....
    It's called Cod Liver Oil and you can get it in a variety of different size bottles.

  22. OH GOD JOHN NOW YOU COME AND **** IT ALL AGAIN, PLEASE STOP !!!!!!! COME ON , HEY WW7 let's get john benz on the dog house for a while man, he's heating up arguments in every ****ing section of AM where YJ is posting.

  23. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Also, here at AM, we're about taking it upon ourselves to research and help ourselves. Im more than willing to help those who will help themselves. Basic questions, such as the ones asked above, could have been found easily using only this board. Here at AM, we try to avoid the simplistic questions, we are more for advanced discussion and problem solving.
    Jay asked legitimate and pertinent questions. What we don't do here at AM is flame people for asking questions and debating a given topic.

  24. Originally posted by John Benz

    Jay asked legitimate and pertinent questions. What we don't do here at AM is flame people for asking questions and debating a given topic.

    Oh, what a surprise, I thought you'd agree with me

    This following me around, getting punked in each thread that you do, must get very old. Being on a mission to follow my posts and make each of them personal must get old also. Its funny to see you post only in threads where theres potential for drama, for the love of god Im suffocating in this constant bull****, grow up and get a life, seriously.

  25. Originally posted by RaulJimenez
    OH GOD JOHN NOW YOU COME AND **** IT ALL AGAIN, PLEASE STOP !!!!!!! COME ON , HEY WW7 let's get john benz on the dog house for a while man, he's heating up arguments in every ****ing section of AM where YJ is posting.
    Raul,

    You did not see the way YJ treated Jay?
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