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    Ok, first off I don't want people to think this thread is about using supplements as a crutch and a solution to everything. But last night I was thinking about my Labor Day Vacation trip to LA in which I surely will do some drinking. I usually don't drink that much anymore, because of its obvious body comp effects. However that doesn't mean that I still don't like to go out and have a some drinks, and when I mean have a few drinks I mean have a bunch cause I can never have just a few on a night out.

    On to the supplement aspect. A few things we know Alcohol does.

    Decreases Test Levels
    Increases Estrogen
    Increases Cortisol
    Decreases FFA Oxidation

    OUCH!

    Now my goal here isn't to totally prevent all these things but to enact some sort of "damage control".

    So every once in a blue moon if you decide to go out and get drunk, you could supplement with these supplements to help you get back to normal.

    Decreases Test Levels - Ultra Hotter/Rebound XT

    Increases Estrogen - Same as above

    Increases Cortisol - Lean Extreme

    Decreases FFA Oxidation - SesaThin/Sesamin

    This is purely an idea, I want to get some feed back too see if what you guys think about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantz11
    Decreases Test Levels - Ultra Hotter/Rebound XT
    These won't do much, the mechanism through which testosterone is reduced is at the testicular level where leydig cell stereiodogenesis is directly and indirectly inhibited. So while these may attempt to get testosterone back up, they won't work very well. Selenium has been shown to help, in rats anyway (PMID: 8554649).

    3b-HSD and 17b-HSD are activity is also impaired. These are enzymes that convert various hormones to testosterone. I believe zinc plays a role in 3b-HSD, but I could be wrong.



    Quote Originally Posted by Giantz11
    Increases Estrogen - Same as above
    Increased estrogen is only significant after chronic ingestion, we're talking at least a month here.
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    Ok, so what about the SesaThin for the increase in FFA oxidation and them maybe some LX to counter any cortisol issues?
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    KR-ALA seems to keep the worst of the insulin related effects of alcohol at bay for me. In fact it makes it kinda hard to get drunk while using it..or I was just imagining things.

    Of course self control would be the best supplement to avoid all the negatives of alcohol. lol
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    Here's some info on Lipo acid and Alch, Biodude.

    http://www.ceri.com/alcohol.htm

    I ran across this article years ago, using L-Cysteine or NAC and Vitamin C tabs while I drink has "sweetened" the buzz of booze and most definetly reduces the sick hammerhead feelings the next day, Kr-Ala should be even more effective
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantz11
    Ok, so what about the SesaThin for the increase in FFA oxidation and them maybe some LX to counter any cortisol issues?
    Sorry, I didn't comment on those because I agree with using both, especially Sesathin. http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...374&issueID=31
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    Cool rogue. Yeah, I think ALA helps alleviate hangovers as well. My wife and I in Vegas last year could hardly get drunk and after a night of LOTS of alcohol we felt fine..which is extremely rare as we're total light wieghts.
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    Taurine and ALCAR the night before and the morning after work extremely well to prevent/relieve hangovers.
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    Great stuff, guys. I too have turned into a lightweight. But may have to do a little bit of drinking on vacation, oh well!
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    ditto what rogue said.

    onslaught I read that drinking a 12 pack or more could reduce test levels for up to 4 days.

    bioman vegas casinos purposely put more oxygen in the ventilation to keep you up later and to keep you sober. might or might not have anything to do with your case.

    I also read that alcohol does not let your body synthesize protein so its recommended that you take an oral ph/ps to help with the muscle loss during a night out. I pop an mdht. I'm sure the methyl is not helping the liver but I dont drink that much.
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    Yeah, I hardly ever drink to excess..like maybe once a year so it's not much of an issue. It's just nice to avoid that hangover! lol
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    i don't understand how putting more oxygen in the air would have any effect on a healthy human being. oxygen is absorbed in the lungs because of a pressure gradient. we get enough oxygen as it is, and everytime we breath out, we breath out unused oxygen.
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    how much alcohol are we talking about here? a bottle of wine? 12 pack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wastedwhiteboy2
    ditto what rogue said.

    onslaught I read that drinking a 12 pack or more could reduce test levels for up to 4 days.
    Did you even read what I said? Steriodogenesis is inhibited at the testes, that means they don't respond to LH, so taking an AI isn't going to do much.

    I also read that alcohol does not let your body synthesize protein so its recommended that you take an oral ph/ps to help with the muscle loss during a night out. I pop an mdht. I'm sure the methyl is not helping the liver but I dont drink that much.
    This is ridiculous. It's one night and your worried about blunted protein synthesis for 12 hours? I feel bad for people that can't escape their obsessiveness and just have fun for a night. And using MDHT isn't going to do jack for protein synthesis anyway, it's not exactly very anabolic.
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    Increased estrogen is only significant after chronic ingestion, we're talking at least a month here

    this is the point I disagreed with. I dont know enough to say an AI would help. maybe taking an AI before drinking would slightly raise test so it would be reduced to normal levels after drinking. Also I realize MDHT is not going to do much but it will help and it has some antie effects but if thats not going to help then maybe I'll try mdien. Mdht also helps with libido when drunk. I'm 31 so I'm more concerned with my body now instead of getting wasted. done that for the last 15yrs.

    Ballz alcohol replaces the oxygen in your brain giving you the high. air is not only made up of oxygen so when you breath only oxygen it sobers you up, takes care of a hangover, and gives you energy. take a hit off and oxygen tank on a hangover, you'll feel much better.
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    what you are not understanding is that the amount of oxygen exchanged in the lungs is dependent on the partial pressure of the oxygen in the air, not on the amount of oxygen in the air. air is made up of about ~78-79% nitrogen, ~20-21% oxygen, and less than 1% other gases at any altitude here on earth. If you travel below sea level, pressure increases hence you get more gas exchange in the lungs. If you travel above sea level, pressure decreases, which means you will exchange less oxygen. So, what does all this mean? It means that pumping more oxygen into the air in a casino is useless unless you increase the pressure in the casino which is impossible because the area cannot be sealed off. Have you ever heard of a hyperbaric chamber? This is a sealed off chamber in which the pressure is increased in order to increase the gas exchange in the body. Humans do not use all of the oxygen in the air anyway, even during vigorous activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wastedwhiteboy2
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    Increased estrogen is only significant after chronic ingestion, we're talking at least a month here

    this is the point I disagreed with. I dont know enough to say an AI would help. maybe taking an AI before drinking would slightly raise test so it would be reduced to normal levels after drinking. Also I realize MDHT is not going to do much but it will help and it has some antie effects but if thats not going to help then maybe I'll try mdien. Mdht also helps with libido when drunk. I'm 31 so I'm more concerned with my body now instead of getting wasted. done that for the last 15yrs.
    Taking an AI beforehand isn't going to do much anything, once again. Once you start drinking the inhibition of Test production begins. Being that free Test is rapidly metabolized, any increase in Test from the AI taken beforehand will quickly diminshed. So no, it's not going to help.
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    Guys, they don't actually spray pure oxygen into the casinos. It's an urban legend and it would be illegal as hell.

    They do have great ventilation systems, but it's regular fresh air.
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    Onslaught has hit it, AI and MDHT use are for longer term use, not immediate damage control. Take Sesathin, Grapeseed extract, Cysteine and Vitamin C, a stim if you want to stay more alert, eat some protein and drink plenty of water, the rest can wait.

    Edit: Grapeseed extract and a stim are contrary, grapeseed is a Adrelanine atanagonist, it nullify's the stim, dealer's choice, antioxidant or stimulant.? My vote is for the stim, stay active, a measure of good conversation and better probablities of ***** is worth much more in the short term.
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    Ballz - Your last post is erroneous. Dalton's law states that the partial pressure of a gas is proportional to it's concentration (in mole fraction) times the total system pressure.

    So, increasing the O2 concentration in a casino would increase it's partial pressure. Increasing the pressure simply provides for more driving force for exchange across a membrane (in the lungs).

    So, increasing the pressure in a casino or the O2 concentration would allow for more O2 in a person's blood.
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    a casino is not a sealed environment. increasing the amount of oxygen in a casino is relative to the gas content of the whole earth, in which the effect would be negligable
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    also, the human body does not have an infinite number of red blood cells, and within these cells, hemoglobin molecules, each of these carrying 4 molecules of oxygen. these molecules are saturated with oxygen at sea level (760 mmHg). Because of this saturation any extra oxygen inhaled would only be exhaled.
  

  
 

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