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  1. I like to bitch about being surpressed. I hate it. I really wish someone would come out with an HCG like product that I can take to get the boys back up to size before kicking in the SERM, or ATD or whatever.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    The degree of suppression per compound is a big factor in what and when I choose certain chems in my cycles. I personally try to keep the supression the most in the beginning of a cycle and try to have a larger degree of recovery towards the later portions. But like you said, it is all part of the game. Know your foes so you can master them.
    I don't understand. Are you saying that you prefer to use more suppressive AAS during the beginning and then the lighter ones towards the end?

    In your post below this one, you said you like to use 4-ad first then M1t last....well that is actually the opposite of what you said above??? Unless you mistyped and I misread...

    Regardless, I like to use the more suppressive compounds towards the end of my cycle. Why use the more suppressive compounds in the beginning when all it's gonna do is shut you down faster and hence feel like crap for the rest of oyur cycle? doesn't makes sense.

    You should use the more supp. aas towards the end, who wants to feel like crap during the whole cycle vs. just the latter portion?

    And no, you cannot recover "partially" when on AAS....these myths will never die. Even on HCG, when you come off of it, you will still be shutdown...it only mimicks.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    I believe it depends upon on the exogenous hormone that you're using. I'm no authority, but using anything other than Testerone for this seems ridiculous. But some think the whole notion is ridiculous and impossible. However, if administering testosterone at an amount less than your normal level, why couldn't you partially recover? Your body does not know that the testoterone is exogenous, it's knows about AR binding and that's about it, not whether you not you got it from a pin stuck in your ass. A good friend of mine has used this approach twice now and has had very good success with it, and believe me, he knows what he's doing.
    This is false. There is no such animal...but if your bud is doing well this way, then more power to him.

    Aromatization of ANY kind of test, will cause further HPTA suppression.

    Although, I DO think that if on a longer cycle, that (if using test only) tapering down doses towards the end will help with the crash. It's kind of giving your body a warning to be ready for the crash. I mean coming from 1500mg/week to 0ng/ml vs. 1500, then 1000, then 750, then 400, then 200, then 150, then 50 and so-on, I think the latter approach would be better. JMO though...and since *I* believe there are "degrees of shutdown" I believe that this just basically falls into this category as well.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    This is false. There is no such animal...but if your bud is doing well this way, then more power to him.

    Aromatization of ANY kind of test, will cause further HPTA suppression.

    Although, I DO think that if on a longer cycle, that (if using test only) tapering down doses towards the end will help with the crash. It's kind of giving your body a warning to be ready for the crash. I mean coming from 1500mg/week to 0ng/ml vs. 1500, then 1000, then 750, then 400, then 200, then 150, then 50 and so-on, I think the latter approach would be better. JMO though...and since *I* believe there are "degrees of shutdown" I believe that this just basically falls into this category as well.
    I think it may help with recovery psycologically but as far as HPTA recovery, no. As long as there is exogenous test present you will stay shut down, especially at the end of a long cycle. It does not make sense that your body would start making endo hormones just because you dropped your test from 1.5g/wk to .25g/wk...No Way!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Boss_K
    I think it may help with recovery psycologically but as far as HPTA recovery, no. As long as there is exogenous test present you will stay shut down, especially at the end of a long cycle. It does not make sense that your body would start making endo hormones just because you dropped your test from 1.5g/wk to .25g/wk...No Way!
    That's not what I said. In fact I actually agree with that if you would read my earlier post.

    What I am trying to say is that weening doses down, your body *may* be able to crash to a lesser degree since you're slowly coming off a cycle...instead of going from 1500mg to 0...you would go from 1500 and then ween back down week by week. When you start PCT, you won't crash as bad....and then recovery will be easier.

    I don't know where you got that I said it will let you start producing natty T while still on.
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    17a-methyl-baET

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