What happened to the scam supplements research thread?

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  1. I think Ginsing has its place in glucose disposal.


  2. Originally posted by Jay Mc


    Well, tell me what about it is a scam and then I'll decide if I want to look in to it Is it gonna make you gain 50 lbs in 12 weeks, no. But I think it might do at least something...like I bet it will help protect from food bourne pathogens. Cells in your instines that help remove said pathogens use glutamine for fuel. SO if they have more fuel they'll be more effective at doing this. Now if you want to talk about anti-catabolic properties/increased plasma levels through oral ingestion, then I dunno. I've read lots of research and each new study seems to conflict with the findings of a previous one...it might be a moot point, like how many licks does it take to get to the middle of a tootsie pop...the world may never know

    Things like ecdy, trib, methoxy, ginseng, I could see those being on the list...

    J
    And you basal glutamine levels wouldnt do that? Obviously or we'd all be walking around sick. Not to mention this is a list of supplements as pertains to bodybuilding.

    Then I tell you what, you make you a list and do what you got to do.
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  3. Well it looks like I jumpstarted the thread again, which is great, but in order to keep this thread intact make sure that we KEEP IT CIVIL! Otherwise we are forced to edit, blah, blah, etc, etc.... Thanks.

    This is about taking a position on whether a certain supplement(s) are scams or not and proving it with science.

  4. Originally posted by YellowJacket



    I dont know if I would go as far as saying JAMA, NEJM, Medline, Highwire, Duke, etc are 'Internet Monkeys'


    Those mostly contain primary sources...



    Yes, but when you have 40 abstracts on the ineffectiveness of glutamine or any other product, abstracts will do, please, feel free to take it upon yourself to reference and find them for yourself, its not that difficult.
    40 really? damn!! My point wasn't to rag on anyone I just don't want to see poorly interpreted **** off supplement company websites popping up. Not saying it will or that it does, I'm new to this board, I just know that its a problem w/other boards on the net...and I figured I'd put my two cents in...

    J

  5. Originally posted by Jay Mc


    40 really? damn!! My point wasn't to rag on anyone I just don't want to see poorly interpreted **** off supplement company websites popping up. Not saying it will or that it does, I'm new to this board, I just know that its a problem w/other boards on the net...and I figured I'd put my two cents in...

    J
    Doesnt happen here, we get the occasional T-Mag bull****, but everyone knows thats a comical reference
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  6. Well let's get it going. Take a position and prove it with science (not BS personal attacks/slander) and let's see where this goes!

  7. Glutamine has been proven worthless, unless someone wants to step up and prove it otherwise, but I guess to keep the crybabies quiet, we'll leave it off. So you guys run with this and best of luck.

  8. ow? good ****, YJ you still got that initial list handy? be easier to work off of and add to

  9. Originally posted by YellowJacket


    And you basal glutamine levels wouldnt do that? Obviously or we'd all be walking around sick. Not to mention this is a list of supplements as pertains to bodybuilding.

    Then I tell you what, you make you a list and do what you got to do.
    if regular intake amounts does a good job, increased amounts does a great job. Plus you could argue (in theory...) that if less is being used by intestinal mucosa cells there would be more available to the rest of the body...I'm not making that argument cause I have nothign to back it up with, just saying...

    breath homepiece...I'm not assaulting. I'm trying to say oral glutamine has been said to do a lot things. Some of which are reasonable, some aren't. I just think it would be nice to pick the one thing that the concern is over, like, increased immune function, decreased catabolism, etc. If you just say glutamine doesn't work then there is too much room for argument.

    J

  10. Why keep glutamine off? YJ, has laid out a stellar case against it, let see if someone wants to try back it as a non-scam supplement.

  11. Originally posted by YellowJacket



    Glutamine is found in the body, in great abundance, so why supplement with it? Creatine is found naturally in the body, would you buy creatine serum? Hopefully not.
     

    Hey homez I'm not looking to argue with you on it.   I wouldn't even go there.  Please don't sink to suggest that I would buy a creatine serum.  I just suggested that only "proven" scams be listed.  You have written enough up on glutamine that has made me cut it out, but there is still too much info out there on it that it may be beneficial.

  12. dude I can't keep up w/thread here...too many people posting! You guys should make this IRC or something

    J

  13. Originally posted by Jay Mc


    If you just say glutamine doesn't work then there is too much room for argument.

    J
    you seen the arguments for/against it here yet?

  14. There is a lot of others to discuss besides Glutamine. I would love to see somone try to prove myostatin

  15. Originally posted by Biggin
    ow? good ****, YJ you still got that initial list handy? be easier to work off of and add to
    Nope, that was deleted also. We have the one from when the board 1st started, but we have added to it greatly since then, should not be hard to recollect the lost ones....although we shouldnt have to


    Originally posted by Jay Mc


    if regular intake amounts does a good job, increased amounts does a great job. Plus you could argue (in theory...) that if less is being used by intestinal mucosa cells there would be more available to the rest of the body...I'm not making that argument cause I have nothign to back it up with, just saying...
    Just checking Thought we had another contestant. More isnt always better.

    I'm trying to say oral glutamine has been said to do a lot things.
    So has methoxy. Glutamine has cell volumizing properties, repairs soft tissue damage, boosts the immune system, inproves athletic performance, etc. Wow, this is seemingly a miracle supplement huh? Labels claim a lot of things, none of which mean anything unless backed up. Thats why I stick with few supplements. Ones that have basic logic and dont promise something that someone, with little supplement knowledge, can rule out.


    Some of which are reasonable, some aren't. I just think it would be nice to pick the one thing that the concern is over, like, increased immune function, decreased catabolism, etc. If you just say glutamine doesn't work then there is too much room for argument.

    J
    Dont know which thread you missed, but hit "glutamine" in the search function and read up, its been dismissed a few times.

    Originally posted by windwords7
    Why keep glutamine off? YJ, has laid out a stellar case against it, let see if someone wants to try back it as a non-scam supplement.
    You'll always have the mainstreet bull**** believers who, regardless of science and data, will complain and bitch and moan that it works, and they believe in it because they scored some placebo from it, so I'll leave well enough alone and drop the glutamine trashing, if everyone cant see through it by now, its a lost cause. Not to mention I dont think it would fair well at many boards which have supplement companies as sponsors.

  16. Originally posted by N'Pursuit


     

    Hey homez I'm not looking to argue with you on it.   I wouldn't even go there.  Please don't sink to suggest that I would buy a creatine serum.  I just suggested that only "proven" scams be listed.  You have written enough up on glutamine that has made me cut it out, but there is still too much info out there on it that it may be beneficial.

    I understand....... but if there is info. out there that proves it useful, I wish someone would step forward with it, Im waiting. (Dont bring me T-Mag articles or a Jay Cutler ad please)

  17. Originally posted by YellowJacket



    Just checking Thought we had another contestant. More isnt always better.



    So has methoxy. Glutamine has cell volumizing properties, repairs soft tissue damage, boosts the immune system, inproves athletic performance, etc. Wow, this is seemingly a miracle supplement huh? Labels claim a lot of things, none of which mean anything unless backed up. Thats why I stick with few supplements. Ones that have basic logic and dont promise something that someone, with little supplement knowledge, can rule out.
    That was kinda my point...



    Dont know which thread you missed, but hit "glutamine" in the search function and read up, its been dismissed a few times.

    check my registration date, it was like last monday When I first researched glutamine there were lots of studies saying it was great, and had been used on bed ridden patients forever, blah blah but not much about oral gluatamine. I know from school that glutamine is a very important amino and is used in lots of things and is conditionally essential. Its impossible to stay current on every supplement. I picked ephedrine and chose to champion it. You obviously picked glutamine and chose to destroy it I'm in my last semester of school and work helluv hours as a paramedic so I just can't read all the time, as I'm sure everyone can't. I'm not arguing for or against. In fact I'm not even sure what is being argued at all, that was kinda my point. You threw up a lot of things glutamine was supposed to do, I'm guessing there's evidence to say it does none of those. I guess I'll go read all the old posts...seesh...I wish I never mentioned glutamine...

    I gotta go take my myostatin and pig testicle extract anyway...

    J

  18. Jay, dont sweat it.

  19. Essential & supplement do not go together. I hate to carry the glutamine bull**** over to other threads, since theres already 3 or 4 about it (oh wait, maybe just 2 now ) But I'll cut you a break since you're a newbie

  20. what's the deal with the &nbsp when you are quoting me?

  21. Originally posted by N'Pursuit
    what's the deal with the &nbsp when you are quoting me?
    Come again?

  22. LOL I don't know everytime you quoted me that was showing up in the middle of the sentences.

  23. Originally posted by N'Pursuit
    LOL I don't know everytime you quoted me that was showing up in the middle of the sentences.

    Got me? Everytime I quote someone it bolds my text too, I bet thats annoying as hell

  24. Ok, so beyond the glutamine issue here, what else? I already covered Trib in my article in the sup section but perhaps I could go deeper into it's supposed use post cycle, although that wouldn't take long.

    Here's what the old list had:

    Methoxy
    Cutting Gel.
    pyruvate
    hmb
    androsteindione
    cell-tech
    no2
    methoxypro
    arginine
    Chromium Piccolinate
    Creatine serum
    effervesant orange
    Ecdy
    Muscletech
    ecysterone
    Diosgenin (wild yams)
    Glutamine
    Rhodiola
    Yohimbe
    Cordyceps fungus
    Shilajit or mummio
    Smilax
    Avena Sativa (oats)
    Ecdysterone (Suma)
    Liquid Creatine
    Saw palmetto berries
    -sitosterol and other related sterols


  25. Nice Draven........


    Add:

    AST PHs
    VPX PHs
    Anything Klein-Becker Labs
    Impact Nutrition
    SDI-Labs
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