Professional Supplement's Pure Vitargo
- 07-02-2005, 10:25 PM
Professional Supplement's Pure Vitargo
This stuff rocks! I just got a tub last wednesday and used it Post-Workout with some CEE. Man I was so damn swole! I also took another 1/2 serving with my whey about 1/2hr later. I was mad sore thursday after my wednesday workout, but come friday I barely felt a thing! Any of you ever try this stuff?
- 07-02-2005, 10:57 PM
I am right with you...I absolutely love vitargo. Between the pumps and the fullness, I don't think that I will try any other post WO carb source.
- 07-03-2005, 03:29 AM
I love this stuff! The fruit punch flavor, WOW! It tastes like it should be bad for me or something it's THAT good!
Recovery-wise and such, I didn't really notice that much different compared to a mix of 75grams of carbs worth of / /Kool-Aid. What I DID notice though, was my malto/dex/koolaid... uhm.. how shall we say... ran RIGHT through me. I mean, EXPLOSIVE.
With the Vitargo, there's no bathroom issues, so I don't feel like an 80-year old geaser rushing off to the bathroom every 5 mins.
07-03-2005, 03:46 PM
07-03-2005, 03:51 PM
07-03-2005, 07:43 PM
Considering that vitargo converts to glycogen in muscle at a higher rate than dextrose, I'm guessing gains should be solid..Originally Posted by avian
I plan to get some vitargo myself, should be interesting to try while cutting..
07-03-2005, 09:33 PM
07-03-2005, 09:45 PM
Add me to the supporters of Vitargo (though I've not used this brand.) No more maltodextrin and/or dextrose for me post-workout.
07-03-2005, 11:37 PM
Hey can you guys link me to a good read about Vitargo? I'm not sure I understand it that well. Thanks
07-03-2005, 11:54 PM
07-04-2005, 12:18 AM
07-04-2005, 12:25 AM
07-04-2005, 12:54 AM
hmmm I thought we were getting away from high carb / sugar post workout drinks these days with the new information that is currently out there.
Guys I seriously think Vitagro is a waste of money unless people are using it maybe for contest glycogen loading.
For those who disagree check out T-Nation: The Top 10 Post Workout Nutrition Myths scroll down to post #8 by Bobo. Bobo is right on track with his statement and I agree with him 100%.
07-04-2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah...ok, granted this stuff sounds great, but 25 servings of yet another supplement to add to the monthly bill for 46 bucks? I dont know...
07-04-2005, 05:58 PM
True and I agree as well, but vitargo has a different action from simple sugars.. If I wazsn't so busy tearing into this porterhouse, I'd look up some more info on that..Originally Posted by Phoenix rising
07-04-2005, 08:06 PM
07-04-2005, 08:46 PM
True, Oats/Malto are sufficient, but I still have to say that Vitargo works much better for me personally. If I were on a more limited budget, then I'd probably stick to those choices as well, but I figure I might as well enjoy the enhanced benefits while I've got the green to spare.Originally Posted by Kendog
07-05-2005, 12:07 AM
How many times a week do you lift weights? For me, I only lift 3 days a week, so I use one serving 3 times a week. 3x8=24. So I get two months worth out of that for me, and is why I decided to give it a try. Sure, if I ever get strapped for cash, I could drop it, but like I said - the stomach/bathroom issues, it's not that much.Originally Posted by Odessa14
07-05-2005, 09:38 AM
I think PA claims that one should consume this immediately post workout, wait 15-20 minutes, then take in whey. NOT at the same time.....
07-05-2005, 10:10 AM
07-05-2005, 11:44 AM
Yes, i've read that on Avant board recently. I believe I had no significant results from it because i simply took in my post-workout protein shake.Originally Posted by Max32
Cost-wise, its doable if one works out 3 or 4 times a week, not more.
07-05-2005, 12:00 PM
I would say that it would be best used during the last 20 minutes or so of a workout if only doing wieghts; however, if incorporating cardio post workout, I would take it after cardio, then allow 20 minutes before consuming protein. I have gone through a bottle of this stuff and loved it. I even turned Sagi Kalev onto this after my discusions with Art Atwood. Now Sagi has all of his clients using it as well....Originally Posted by Syr
I think it is definitly worth the money. I use it post workout the majority of the time, but pre workout on days where I am lagging. I wonder if it would work well if taken with BCAAs as opposed to standard protein powders....
07-05-2005, 12:03 PM
I've never seen the justification for this claim, could you give me an explanation as to why some people believe this? I get very, very skeptical when I hear all these esoteric diet claims about making sure you take this in at this time, this at this time, don't eat that when you eat this, etc, etc. If it were that complicated how did bodybuilders, natural and otherwise, get huge a ripped before such practices were known? It makes no sense to me. I have trouble believing that mixing cabrs and protein after a workout is going to have significantly less effect than eating them 15-30 minutes apart. You should eat what's required when it's required, which means during the day a balanced diet and pre a post workout a couple shakes to account for the fact that you just burned a boatload of energy and need something that absorbs a little faster.Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
07-05-2005, 12:13 PM
This intrigue me a lot. I just got the new ergopharm EAA (carb free), All in One, and I plan to try as post workout in place of proteins. Maybe in that case i could have a single drink consisting of Vitargo + EAA?Originally Posted by Max32
The taste is not on par of the best tasting proteins though, its very similar to Vendetta.
07-05-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Max32This claim/idea is not based on some notion that carbs and protein are best digested apart; in fact, I believe many knowledgable persons are confident that proteins are best digested when consumed with carbs.Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
But, to the issue at hand, the reason given for the delay after, an in injesting the carb source (post-workout) first, is that it's desired affect on your blood sugar is not instantaneous. That is, the idea of 'shuttling' nutrients (like aminos from a whey protein shake) to your muscles, is best accomplished by first causing the 'spike' or surge and then consuming the protein.
I have no idea if this actually demonstratable or true-in-fact or not. Just that this is the reason given and it is plausible. I personally drink my protein and carb mix (together) as soon as I can post-workout (usually within 10-15 minutes of ceasation of training) and then I eat a whole food meal within an hour or 90 minutes of that.
07-05-2005, 04:15 PM
The reason for separating them (vitargo and protein) was because any benefint of the fast absorption/osmotic properties are lost when you injest it with protein. You might as well use dextrose if you are going to drink them together.
By drinking the vitargo first, you get the benefit of fast digestion (better than dextrose).
That's all. PA even commented that if you injest them together you are just wasting your money.
07-05-2005, 05:02 PM
I could maybe understand that point of view if applied to a different context, like mixing Vitargo with a whole food meal, but a whey protein shake is also absorbed very fast. When something is almost pure liquid your stomach doesn't need to process it into chyme (sp?), and it passes through the first portion of your digestive system very quickly.Originally Posted by bigpump
07-05-2005, 05:46 PM
quoted from PA
"there is no point in consuming vitargo with protein shake. Vitargo is meant to be a quickly absorbed carbohydrate with minimal stomach bloating effects
consumed with a protein shake you completely lose the benefits"
07-05-2005, 05:54 PM
I usually take a malto/protein shake (prima's wpi) 60 minutes before working out. Then another malto/ protein (ergo's GF) after working out. I use 5 grams of extend or some bulk bcaa mixed in with a gatorade drink during the workout.
Now with this Vitargo I plan on taking it like PA recommends; immed. after workout, followed by protein 20 minutes later. I will see if this setup has any positive effect on my recovery.
Going to get pricey b/c I workout 5x week.
07-05-2005, 07:09 PM
That reasoning is believable and seems to make sense, considering that the benefit of Vitargo v. dextrose and/or maltodextrin is the quick absorption, etc. however, it is confusing that PA is the source of that info, essentially saying consuming Vitargo with proteins is pointless, while he puts out a product (All in One) which does just that.
All in One, 1 scoop =
Add to that the fact that this product also contains both dextrose and maltodextrin too... and I'm really scratchin' my head about this product's formulation. (And PA's comments.)
07-05-2005, 07:14 PM
All in One contain free form EAA, not whole proteins. Art (owner of proffesional supplements) states that EAA will not interfere with the whole digestion thing.Originally Posted by shootmeagain
07-05-2005, 07:19 PM
True, it contains free-form and BCAA... but still, I'd like to hear the reasoning as to why that would be ok with Vitargo while whey protein isolate, for instance, is not. I do understand that those are different things, don't get me wrong, I'd just like to know the why/reason one get the ok and the other would be considered a waste of money. I'm sure there is an answer... I'd just like to understand.
07-05-2005, 09:28 PM
Taking that into consideration the protein/cho digestion ratio. Wouldn't it make sense to consume the protein first since protein digestion is much slower then simple sugars. If we consumed CHO first then we get an insulin spike without any protein in the system thats if we are consuming CHO twenty minutes before the protein.Originally Posted by shootmeagain
My theory was take you whey protein first(unless your using hydrosolate which should be taken together) wait 15 minutes and consume the simple sugars since most of use use a whey concentrate...Makes sence to me.
07-05-2005, 09:32 PM
07-05-2005, 09:36 PM
Whats the benefit of BCAA or EAA over whey pre/post workout besides price? I would like to hear Bobo's opinion.
07-05-2005, 09:38 PM
I use surge post workout because you can not find a better tasting hydrosolate formula. I use surge then eat balanced meal about an hour later.
07-05-2005, 10:28 PM
07-06-2005, 12:42 AM
Aparently, the "no carbs with protein" and vice versa theory is based on research presented in the Zone Diet. I'm sure there is truth to it but I seriously doubt that it justifies carrying yet another bottle of some post-WO concoction and timing it precisely. For me that's more hassle than I prefer.
07-06-2005, 08:36 AM
i think protein may alter the absortion rate of the carb, as in all meals proteins does alter the gi of the foods we eat (carb+protein meal has a lower GI then carb alone, if it is the same carb of course)
free form AAs are diferent, they dont need to get their peptides "broken" before digestion, protein does
this is why i think its ok to take BCAA or EAA+vitargo or hydrolized+vitargo(hydrolized is rich in di and tripeptides, so they are easily digested)
anyhow, you can always do both ways 2 weeks and which one you think its best
07-06-2005, 10:17 AM
I think this is right and that's the reason why PA put vitargo in all in one (with carbs version).Originally Posted by avian
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