Considering that vitargo converts to glycogen in muscle at a higher rate than dextrose, I'm guessing gains should be solid.. :thumbsup:Hey, please let me know how this works out for you regarding muscle gains.
Thanks.
True and I agree as well, but vitargo has a different action from simple sugars.. If I wazsn't so busy tearing into this porterhouse, I'd look up some more info on that..
Agreed, too expensive. Oats/Malto is sufficient.
True, Oats/Malto are sufficient, but I still have to say that Vitargo works much better for me personally. If I were on a more limited budget, then I'd probably stick to those choices as well, but I figure I might as well enjoy the enhanced benefits while I've got the green to spare.
How many times a week do you lift weights? For me, I only lift 3 days a week, so I use one serving 3 times a week. 3x8=24. So I get two months worth out of that for me, and is why I decided to give it a try. Sure, if I ever get strapped for cash, I could drop it, but like I said - the stomach/bathroom issues, it's not that much.
Yes, i've read that on Avant board recently. I believe I had no significant results from it because i simply took in my post-workout protein shake.
I would say that it would be best used during the last 20 minutes or so of a workout if only doing wieghts; however, if incorporating cardio post workout, I would take it after cardio, then allow 20 minutes before consuming protein. I have gone through a bottle of this stuff and loved it. I even turned Sagi Kalev onto this after my discusions with Art Atwood. Now Sagi has all of his clients using it as well....
I've never seen the justification for this claim, could you give me an explanation as to why some people believe this? I get very, very skeptical when I hear all these esoteric diet claims about making sure you take this in at this time, this at this time, don't eat that when you eat this, etc, etc. If it were that complicated how did bodybuilders, natural and otherwise, get huge a ripped before such practices were known? It makes no sense to me. I have trouble believing that mixing cabrs and protein after a workout is going to have significantly less effect than eating them 15-30 minutes apart. You should eat what's required when it's required, which means during the day a balanced diet and pre a post workout a couple shakes to account for the fact that you just burned a boatload of energy and need something that absorbs a little faster.
This intrigue me a lot. I just got the new ergopharm EAA (carb free), All in One, and I plan to try as post workout in place of proteins. Maybe in that case i could have a single drink consisting of Vitargo + EAA?
This claim/idea is not based on some notion that carbs and protein are best digested apart; in fact, I believe many knowledgable persons are confident that proteins are best digested when consumed with carbs.
I could maybe understand that point of view if applied to a different context, like mixing Vitargo with a whole food meal, but a whey protein shake is also absorbed very fast. When something is almost pure liquid your stomach doesn't need to process it into chyme (sp?), and it passes through the first portion of your digestive system very quickly.
All in One contain free form EAA, not whole proteins. Art (owner of proffesional supplements) states that EAA will not interfere with the whole digestion thing.bigpump...
That reasoning is believable and seems to make sense, considering that the benefit of Vitargo v. dextrose and/or maltodextrin is the quick absorption, etc. however, it is confusing that PA is the source of that info, essentially saying consuming Vitargo with proteins is pointless, while he puts out a product (All in One) which does just that.
All in One, 1 scoop =
12.8g Vitargo
16g Protein
Add to that the fact that this product also contains both dextrose and maltodextrin too... and I'm really scratchin' my head about this product's formulation. (And PA's comments.)
Taking that into consideration the protein/cho digestion ratio. Wouldn't it make sense to consume the protein first since protein digestion is much slower then simple sugars. If we consumed CHO first then we get an insulin spike without any protein in the system thats if we are consuming CHO twenty minutes before the protein.
I think this is right and that's the reason why PA put vitargo in all in one (with carbs version).
For normal meals I believe that mixing proteins and carbs or proteins and fat or all the 3 macronutrients is beneficial to the overall intake, but that anything consumed with proteins, expecially fats will slower the absorbtion. This is not a bad thing, in all moments except within the protein window. For istance, a morning shake of just whey within 30 mins from waking up would be the most effective way to refuel proteins, then a few mins later (maybe after cardio) a good oats cup and some milk or good fats would finish the breakfast.
Yes, it is. The funny thing is that my supplier told me to take post-wo with whey up to 30 mins... which I believe now it has been about a waste of money.
I pre-mix them at home, drink the vitargo right before I leave the gym, and then drink the protein in the car on the way home. Simple, easy, effective.
Don't doubt it, and if it solved your bathroom issues then by all means, it's worth it. But I seriously doubt this is necessary for most people, or that they'd see any tangible benefit.Also, really how hard is it to put two shaker bottles in your gym bag to take with you? I bring my two shaker botles, a bottle of water, a towel, a pen/pencil and my log, and if needed my belt, any accessories that I need in a bookbag. So it's not like it's "a pain in the ass" to bring two shaker bottles compared to one to the gym
There is something special about this one. I'm switching again soon, but this one will make a repeat appearance.
