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  1. Quote Originally Posted by shootmeagain
    bigpump...

    That reasoning is believable and seems to make sense, considering that the benefit of Vitargo v. dextrose and/or maltodextrin is the quick absorption, etc. however, it is confusing that PA is the source of that info, essentially saying consuming Vitargo with proteins is pointless, while he puts out a product (All in One) which does just that.

    All in One, 1 scoop =

    12.8g Vitargo
    16g Protein

    Add to that the fact that this product also contains both dextrose and maltodextrin too... and I'm really scratchin' my head about this product's formulation. (And PA's comments.)

    All in One contain free form EAA, not whole proteins. Art (owner of proffesional supplements) states that EAA will not interfere with the whole digestion thing.


  2. True, it contains free-form and BCAA... but still, I'd like to hear the reasoning as to why that would be ok with Vitargo while whey protein isolate, for instance, is not. I do understand that those are different things, don't get me wrong, I'd just like to know the why/reason one get the ok and the other would be considered a waste of money. I'm sure there is an answer... I'd just like to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shootmeagain
    This claim/idea is not based on some notion that carbs and protein are best digested apart; in fact, I believe many knowledgable persons are confident that proteins are best digested when consumed with carbs.

    But, to the issue at hand, the reason given for the delay after, an in injesting the carb source (post-workout) first, is that it's desired affect on your blood sugar is not instantaneous. That is, the idea of 'shuttling' nutrients (like aminos from a whey protein shake) to your muscles, is best accomplished by first causing the 'spike' or surge and then consuming the protein.

    I have no idea if this actually demonstratable or true-in-fact or not. Just that this is the reason given and it is plausible. I personally drink my protein and carb mix (together) as soon as I can post-workout (usually within 10-15 minutes of ceasation of training) and then I eat a whole food meal within an hour or 90 minutes of that.
    Taking that into consideration the protein/cho digestion ratio. Wouldn't it make sense to consume the protein first since protein digestion is much slower then simple sugars. If we consumed CHO first then we get an insulin spike without any protein in the system thats if we are consuming CHO twenty minutes before the protein.

    My theory was take you whey protein first(unless your using hydrosolate which should be taken together) wait 15 minutes and consume the simple sugars since most of use use a whey concentrate...Makes sence to me.

  4. would it be ok to take some Vitargo with XTend BCAA's PW?
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    Whats the benefit of BCAA or EAA over whey pre/post workout besides price? I would like to hear Bobo's opinion.

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    I use surge post workout because you can not find a better tasting hydrosolate formula. I use surge then eat balanced meal about an hour later.

    ceosm

  7. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    I've never seen the justification for this claim, could you give me an explanation as to why some people believe this? I get very, very skeptical when I hear all these esoteric diet claims about making sure you take this in at this time, this at this time, don't eat that when you eat this, etc, etc. If it were that complicated how did bodybuilders, natural and otherwise, get huge a ripped before such practices were known? It makes no sense to me. I have trouble believing that mixing cabrs and protein after a workout is going to have significantly less effect than eating them 15-30 minutes apart. You should eat what's required when it's required, which means during the day a balanced diet and pre a post workout a couple shakes to account for the fact that you just burned a boatload of energy and need something that absorbs a little faster.
    I agree compleely with this post..

  8. Aparently, the "no carbs with protein" and vice versa theory is based on research presented in the Zone Diet. I'm sure there is truth to it but I seriously doubt that it justifies carrying yet another bottle of some post-WO concoction and timing it precisely. For me that's more hassle than I prefer.

  9. i think protein may alter the absortion rate of the carb, as in all meals proteins does alter the gi of the foods we eat (carb+protein meal has a lower GI then carb alone, if it is the same carb of course)

    free form AAs are diferent, they dont need to get their peptides "broken" before digestion, protein does
    this is why i think its ok to take BCAA or EAA+vitargo or hydrolized+vitargo(hydrolized is rich in di and tripeptides, so they are easily digested)

    anyhow, you can always do both ways 2 weeks and which one you think its best

  10. Quote Originally Posted by avian
    free form AAs are diferent, they dont need to get their peptides "broken" before digestion, protein does
    this is why i think its ok to take BCAA or EAA+vitargo or hydrolized+vitargo(hydrolized is rich in di and tripeptides, so they are easily digested)
    I think this is right and that's the reason why PA put vitargo in all in one (with carbs version).

  11. I vaguely remember seeing this claim somewhere else. I think the claim was your digestive system needed different enzymes to break down carbs and protein, and eating them together causes 'inefficient' digestion of both. Personally I think it's a load of crap. If there is any effect it couldn't be big.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    I vaguely remember seeing this claim somewhere else. I think the claim was your digestive system needed different enzymes to break down carbs and protein, and eating them together causes 'inefficient' digestion of both. Personally I think it's a load of crap. If there is any effect it couldn't be big.
    For normal meals I believe that mixing proteins and carbs or proteins and fat or all the 3 macronutrients is beneficial to the overall intake, but that anything consumed with proteins, expecially fats will slower the absorbtion. This is not a bad thing, in all moments except within the protein window. For istance, a morning shake of just whey within 30 mins from waking up would be the most effective way to refuel proteins, then a few mins later (maybe after cardio) a good oats cup and some milk or good fats would finish the breakfast.

    For post-workout nutrition timing is even more crucial. I think the reason to not eat anything else with fast carbs immediately post-training is to replenish the glycogen stores ASAP and lower cortisol (and lactatic acid too i guess). Then proteins and anti-oxidants are needed for other reasons.

  13. I wouldnt say ineficient, i would say "later" digestion. Which is beneficial most of the day, you dont want your body do have food for 30mins and expend 2 hours until the next meal starving.

  14. I created a ****ing monster .....I tried vitargo + whey for 2 months. Now I will try them spaced out for a while and let ya'll know if any differences, no matter how negligable they may be...

  15. Hey, I think it's great that we talk about this stuff; even when it sometimes gets out of hand. It's just nice to have a place to talk about it with people who are interested in cutting through the bull and knowing what's best. Sometimes though, I think we have to accept that anything can be carried too far and some things just aren't worth the time/effort/thought that we give them.

    Hey, I met a guy the other day who told me he used Twizzlers post-workout. I wish I could go with that theory... I love those things. LOL

  16. Quote Originally Posted by shootmeagain
    Hey, I think it's great that we talk about this stuff; even when it sometimes gets out of hand. It's just nice to have a place to talk about it with people who are interested in cutting through the bull and knowing what's best.
    Yes, it is. The funny thing is that my supplier told me to take post-wo with whey up to 30 mins... which I believe now it has been about a waste of money.

  17. Allright, here's my thoughts on the subject:

    In the past I use to go to the gym, get done working out, drive home, and then take my post workout shake, and then again later eat real food.

    I switched to bringing my post workout shake with me to the gym and consuming it IMMEDIATELY after getting down working out. This *seriously* made a dramatic difference to me recovery-wise! Recovered faster and made more improvements. (This was a high liquid carbohydrate + protein shake)

    Then I was told that I should be consuming my carbs first, and then my protein about 10 minutes later. This is because taking the carbs first will cause an insulin surge, and when I take the protein, the insulin will shuttle the protein into the muscles. I used a mix of 75grams of carbs from: Maltodextrin, Dextrose, Kool-aid (30g Malto, 30g dex, 15g kool-aid). 10 minutes later was 50grams of whey protein. This was a *slightly* noticeable improvement in recovery over the previous mentioned method. The problem with this though, was the explosive bathroom problems this caused for me.

    I had read about Vitargo a year (or few years) ago, and always wanted to try it. Once I found Professional Supplements selling it, I ordered it. I do it the same way, I consume the Vitargo (plus CEE) IMMEDIATELY after workout, and 10 or so minutes later, my whey protein. Recovery etc, is not noticeably different from the malto/dex/ka, but there are no longer any bathroom problems!

    Also, really how hard is it to put two shaker bottles in your gym bag to take with you? I bring my two shaker botles, a bottle of water, a towel, a pen/pencil and my log, and if needed my belt, any accessories that I need in a bookbag. So it's not like it's "a pain in the ass" to bring two shaker bottles compared to one to the gym :P I pre-mix them at home, drink the vitargo right before I leave the gym, and then drink the protein in the car on the way home. Simple, easy, effective.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by RedSwan78
    Also, really how hard is it to put two shaker bottles in your gym bag to take with you? I bring my two shaker botles, a bottle of water, a towel, a pen/pencil and my log, and if needed my belt, any accessories that I need in a bookbag. So it's not like it's "a pain in the ass" to bring two shaker bottles compared to one to the gym :P I pre-mix them at home, drink the vitargo right before I leave the gym, and then drink the protein in the car on the way home. Simple, easy, effective.
    Don't doubt it, and if it solved your bathroom issues then by all means, it's worth it. But I seriously doubt this is necessary for most people, or that they'd see any tangible benefit.

  19. My liking of vitargo is from the lack of bloat and increased pump. oh, and CDB, you have outdone yourself on the ol avatar....

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Max32
    My liking of vitargo is from the lack of bloat and increased pump. oh, and CDB, you have outdone yourself on the ol avatar....
    There is something special about this one. I'm switching again soon, but this one will make a repeat appearance.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Don't doubt it, and if it solved your bathroom issues then by all means, it's worth it. But I seriously doubt this is necessary for most people, or that they'd see any tangible benefit.

    True, but don't get me confused here. I was just voicing the fact that *I* like Vitargo for my own personal reasons, I'm certainly not trying to tell anybody that they should use it and what they are doing now is wrong. Hell no. Everybody needs to experiment and find what is best for *their* body and *their* needs! If you've followed my PH log in the PH section, you'll see how tightly I regulate my lifestyle/body - this has helped me to see the slight differences these changes made. Also, like I mentioned before, the taste of the fruit punch Vitargo is just plain *awesome*! (oh, and yeah, that avatar ROCKS! hehe)

  22. I have been using vitargo since 12/2003 along w/ 40g of WPI and I have had only positive effects from it. I feel that it is by far the best post WO CHO source...stop overanalyzing this thread and try the damn product because it is truly incredible

  23. Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs
    I use surge post workout because you can not find a better tasting hydrosolate formula. I use surge then eat balanced meal about an hour later.

    ceosm
    Hmmm... i gotta try this. Which flavours?

    BTW, are you saying that with hydrolized (sp? or its hidrosolate?) whey one COULD actually take Vitargo together?

  24. Bobo said it best when he stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Positive nitrogen rentention isn't something that occurs within a short peroid of time. Its achieved with adequate amounts of calories/protein over a longer period of time.


    You want the best results? Create a diet based on a steady of stream of nutrients at all points within the day, only increasing absortion rates (by ingesting faster absorbing proteins) in and around exercise to compensate for the increased energy expenditure. If you have achieve this there is absolutely no need to creat conditions of high and erratic insulin levels.

  25. Based on appearance and subjective results, I think I will stick with what I have been doing/using.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Max32
    Based on appearance and subjective results, I think I will stick with what I have been doing/using.
    same here..

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Max32
    Based on appearance and subjective results, I think I will stick with what I have been doing/using.
    What exactly is it that you have been doing/using?

  28. I got some samples of Pure Vitargo, been trying to figure out the best way to hand them out

  29. Quote Originally Posted by 1Fast400
    I got some samples of Pure Vitargo, been trying to figure out the best way to hand them out
    I can always email you with an address, and let me figure it out for you..

  30. Quote Originally Posted by 1Fast400
    I got some samples of Pure Vitargo, been trying to figure out the best way to hand them out
    >>>> send some my way!!
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