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Hey guys I am just wanting to get opinions or even facts about Brutal 4ce. What compound is it compared to? Thoughts?
It is a 2 step conversion prohormone. It ultimately becomes testosterone.Hey guys I am just wanting to get opinions or even facts about Brutal 4ce. What compound is it compared to? Thoughts?
He just told you - testosterone.I already get that part. The question is what
Anabolic compound does it work like , or mimic?
So you mean you want to know what testosterone is comparable to?No Duh! Example: DMZ Xtreme is comparable to masteron and winstrol. Even superdrol. That was my question!
I highly doubt it would be comparable to anadrol. I'm running 4-andro right now in addition to Halodrol and 11-OXO. 4-andro is not known for being very anabolic for 2 reasons - 1) the conversion rate to test is probably not too high and would require a significant amount in order to compete with IM test. And 2) testosterone is not that anabolic in comparison to some of the other compounds available out there. Running something like Brutal 4CE solo would not yield much in terms of gains because of those 2 reasons. Plus Brutal 4CE is very low dosed.Yes. I have heard Anadrol mentioned. But can't find it in print online anywhere.
I don't know what Hardcore Solid is? I'm not sure who recommended this to you but it does not seem like a good idea. Are you planning to take Brutal 4CE on your PCT? Or are you jumping from DMZ to Brutal 4CE and then to PCT? Either way, neither of these are good ideas.It gets great reviews sas to how well it works. I am at the end of 4 weeks of DMZ Xtreme stacked with Hardcore Solid. So I am going to Brutal 4ce and PCT to finish up my bulking cycle. This was the recommendation.
OK. Being a bodybuilder doesn't make you a chemist or a doctor so I wouldn't shy away from others opinions. Good luck!It's the plan of my coach who is 2 weeks out from competing in the Indy Pro to qualify for the Olympia 212. He is a Blackstone sponsored athlete and I trust him totally since everything we have done has brought constant improvement.
I didn't know AAS/PH knowledge was a prerequisite for fitness and nutrition certifications. Just be cautious man.My bad. I forgot to mention the multiple certifications for nutrition and fitness training. As well as other education.
If you already have this guru why do you ask questions on a public forum? He should know everything you need to know right?My bad. I forgot to mention the multiple certifications for nutrition and fitness training. As well as other education.
Hahaha my thoughts exactly. This guy has a guru with multiple certs and "education" but comes here to ask the question. Just ask Mr. Guru.If you already have this guru why do you ask questions on a public forum? He should know everything you need to know right?
To be honest bro you’ve come off terribly. You’ve been told legit info (any of which a cursory search would confirm) and your instantly rejecting it all because of the advice of your guru......the mere fact he’s suggesting you use a 2 step ph instead of im test (if he’s genuinely a decent level bb he won’t be using facking 4-andro) suggests something isn’t quite right.....I do appreciate your help and I put though. Please forgive me if I come off wrong. Thanks.
Frankly, it’s under-dosed. BSL attempts to compensate through the liposomal delivery system. Either way the conversion rate to test is fairly low. Decent test base, poor standalone.Hey guys I am just wanting to get opinions or even facts about Brutal 4ce. What compound is it compared to? Thoughts?
you seem like a decent guy...don't be offended by the bluntness of some replies....the guys on this forum are pretty darned knowledgeable and actually very friendly once you get to know them!!!I appreciate everyone's input. First of all he's not a guru. But I completely trust him because everything he's told me has been great. Has worked fantastically so I will not dought his advice. I will be coming completely off everything in 6 weeks and going clean up. I am not disputing any of what y'all are saying either but I have had great results with Blackstone products up to now. I don't do anything just by itself. I am stepping down on the dosage with the PCT to help keep my gains while my test levels regulate. I will continue the PCT after I complete the Brutal 4ce. I do understand that the dosage is not as high but that is the purpose of using it to follow up my 4 weeks of DMZ Xtreme stacked with Xreme solid. I do appreciate your I'm put. But there is no guru. Research has been done before hand. Just wanted feedback. THANKS ALOT!!!!
In all honesty, I'm having a hard time trying to track what exactly you are doing. It seems like you're saying you ran a cycle of DMZ Xtreme and Xtreme Solid (I'm not sure what this is, can you share the profile?), and then started PCT.. but now you're pausing your PCT to start a Brutal 4CE only cycle.. and then you'll pick up your PCT again?I appreciate everyone's input. First of all he's not a guru. But I completely trust him because everything he's told me has been great. Has worked fantastically so I will not dought his advice. I will be coming completely off everything in 6 weeks and going clean up. I am not disputing any of what y'all are saying either but I have had great results with Blackstone products up to now. I don't do anything just by itself. I am stepping down on the dosage with the PCT to help keep my gains while my test levels regulate. I will continue the PCT after I complete the Brutal 4ce. I do understand that the dosage is not as high but that is the purpose of using it to follow up my 4 weeks of DMZ Xtreme stacked with Xreme solid. I do appreciate your I'm put. But there is no guru. Research has been done before hand. Just wanted feedback. THANKS ALOT!!!!
I'm trying to help but you're being very short and not providing us with enough information. What exactly do you mean by "next phase?" Can you lay out your whole plan for us? Just put down the weeks and what you'll be running, likeStill on DMZ and Solid. Nothing else. Starting PCT when I started next phase of cycle. Will run PCT beyond the next 4 weeks. I will be seeing you guys. Nice talking to you.
OK I see what you're doing. You're running the 4-andro with your PCT. In my opinion, I'd take a step back and look at the risk/reward of this. Running 4-andro in PCT can make it harder to get your body to recover from your cycle. Is it worth taking something that might be suppressive in PCT? Also, there will be very little anabolic effect from 130mgs of 4-andro, if any. Ideally, I would have run the 4-andro with your cycle.Xtreme DMZ 2 caps daily weeks 1-4
Xtreme Solid 2 caps daily weeks 1-4
Both products are from Anabolic Technologies.
Brutal4ce 2caps daily weeks 4-8
PCT 1 cap daily weeks 4-10
Yep this ^^^^OK I see what you're doing. You're running the 4-andro with your PCT. In my opinion, I'd take a step back and look at the risk/reward of this. Running 4-andro in PCT can make it harder to get your body to recover from your cycle. Is it worth taking something that might be suppressive in PCT? Also, there will be very little anabolic effect from 130mgs of 4-andro, if any. Ideally, I would have run the 4-andro with your cycle.
The problem is that 4-andro (Brutal 4CE) is mildly suppressive, which will make it harder to recover if you run it during PCT. Also, 4-andro is really only mildly anabolic, so running it solo is not going to yield much in terms of gains. So, when you weigh the risk/reward here it's not an attractive addition in my opinion.It's meant to help me keep my gains ( 184lbs- 193lbs with great size and strength increase). And help my body return to it's natural state.
Now I do get and understand what you guys are saying as I have read up on it. But I have also read some data that says that starting your PCT before the end of your cycle has good benefits the kick-starting your natural production. I may re think this and hold off on the PCT a couple of weeks.
Am I the only one that react on 1 cap ed for PCT?! What’s that?Xtreme DMZ 2 caps daily weeks 1-4
Xtreme Solid 2 caps daily weeks 1-4
Both products are from Anabolic Technologies.
Brutal4ce 2caps daily weeks 4-8
PCT 1 cap daily weeks 4-10
I didn't get that far yet.Am I the only one that react on 1 cap ed for PCT?! What’s that?
Pls tell me it’s not Anabolic Technologies PCT that you’re doing 1 cap ed??! Your guru is messing with you if that’s the caseAm I the only one that react on 1 cap ed for PCT?! What’s that?
this was very helpful to us allHahaha my thoughts exactly. This guy has a guru with multiple certs and "education" but comes here to ask the question. Just ask Mr. Guru.
An anabolic compound shouldn’t be used In pct my friendIt's meant to help me keep my gains ( 184lbs- 193lbs with great size and strength increase). And help my body return to it's natural state.
Now I do get and understand what you guys are saying as I have read up on it. But I have also read some data that says that starting your PCT before the end of your cycle has good benefits the kick-starting your natural production. I may re think this and hold off on the PCT a couple of weeks.
Your blackstone lab sponsored coach PROBABLY just wants to sell you a blackstone lab product. Am I rightIt's meant to help me keep my gains ( 184lbs- 193lbs with great size and strength increase). And help my body return to it's natural state.
Now I do get and understand what you guys are saying as I have read up on it. But I have also read some data that says that starting your PCT before the end of your cycle has good benefits the kick-starting your natural production. I may re think this and hold off on the PCT a couple of weeks.
Why do you think 4-ad is the final nail in the coffin that will finally f*** his body up? It’s the most minor of things he could run sold todayYou’re very very close to completely ****ing your body up. I would stop listening to your friend and start listening to us. What is your SERM for PCT?
Because he has NO SERM for his PCT after using DMZ and 4 Andro. His PCT is 1 cap of Anabolic Technologies PCT. oh and he’s using hexadrone as well.Why do you think 4-ad is the final nail in the coffin that will finally f*** his body up? It’s the most minor of things he could run sold today
yeah and a lot of people I personally know ran no pct when Superdrol was sold for years and recovered with bloodwork to prove it. Is there a chance he can mess his hormones up permanntly? Yes. Is it guaranteed, no. And people seem to love to act like that’s the result 100% of the time. It’s just wrong. Take precautions, yes. But don’t just say “you have now f***** up your hormones permanently BECAUSE: you took some prohormones without a Nolvadex pill after.”Because he has NO SERM for his PCT after using DMZ and 4 Andro. His PCT is 1 cap of Anabolic Technologies PCT
Wow you’re really arguing why not having a SERM is ok? Lmao. Very ironic coming from someone who is on TRT lol. Some of us actually have to worry about doing a proper PCTyeah and a lot of people I personally know ran no pct when Superdrol was sold for years and recovered with bloodwork to prove it. Is there a chance he can mess his hormones up permanntly? Yes. Is it guaranteed, no. And people seem to love to act like that’s the result 100% of the time. It’s just wrong. Take precautions, yes. But don’t just say “you have now f***** up your hormones permanently BECAUSE: you took some prohormones without a Nolvadex pill after.”
no I’m arguing that telling someone they are about to f*** up their body permanently no matter what, is not only wrong but flat out retarded.Wow you’re really arguing why not having a SERM is ok? Lmao.
Why on earth would anyone want to even risk the possibility of not recovering? That aspect will never make sense to me. I don’t think it’s worth taking that risk. SERMs are way too easy to get and cheapno I’m arguing that telling someone they are about to f*** up their body permanently no matter what, is not only wrong but flat out retarded.
Besides why can’t people just answer the question in the thread?
It always has to be for example: you suck you are only 20 and you have ruined your body better stop NOW my friend!
To answer your question OP:
I think that product is 4-ad and will convert ultimately to testosterone hence why 4-ad “can” suffice as a test base
I agree and they are easy to get. However it IS a false notion to say that he has now f***** himself! It’s possible yes, but it is not always the case. Any time you play with hormones and come off of gear you should do a PCT. it is wreckless and stupid not to, but it IS very possible to recover fine without it.Why on earth would anyone want to even risk the possibility of not recovering? That aspect will never make sense to me. I don’t think it’s worth taking that risk. SERMs are way too easy to get and cheap
Sure, but OP wanted to “recover and keep his gains” with 4-ad and his OTC PCT at 1 cap a day, can he recover? Maybe. Will he keep his gains? No, he will not.I agree and they are easy to get. However it IS a false notion to say that he has now f***** himself! It’s possible yes, but it is not always the case. Any time you play with hormones and come off of gear you should do a PCT. it is wreckless and stupid not to, but it IS very possible to recover fine without it.
Yea, I’m super nice! :banana:you seem like a decent guy...don't be offended by the bluntness of some replies....the guys on this forum are pretty darned knowledgeable and actually very friendly once you get to know them!!!
Very well putYou don’t need a serm for pct, you don’t even need to do a pct, you also don’t need to use tp to wipe your ass after taking a dump, you also don’t even need to wipe your ass, but it’s a great idea.
There’s no guarantee a person will recover from using a serm or pct protocol, once the drugs stop, everything could crash and go to shiit. Then you’ll know for sure If you’ve permanently f-ed up your htpga system.
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