Good natural test booster?

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Hello,

Please could anyone recommend a good natural test booster?

Thanks,
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[muscleupcrohn]

The following are high-quality natural test boosters:

AlphaMax XT
M-Test
Test1fy or K1ngs Blood

They have some of the same/similar ingredients, but each on has it's own benefits that may make one a better fit for your particular goals. Are you bulking/cutting/etc? Some more info about you would help people give you the best possible recommendations.

 

[Smiler]

The following are high-quality natural test boosters:

AlphaMax XT
M-Test
Test1fy or K1ngs Blood

They have some of the same/similar ingredients, but each on has it's own benefits that may make one a better fit for your particular goals. Are you bulking/cutting/etc? Some more info about you would help people give you the best possible recommendations.

I'm currently on an Epistane cutting cycle which would you think would suite more?

Thank you,
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[muscleupcrohn]

I'm currently on an Epistane cutting cycle which would you think would suite more?

Thank you,
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I'd say AlphaMax XT would be a good choice for a cut, as the forskolin in it has research showing it can help improve body composition and reduce fat mass. Ashwagandha and tongkat ali can also be useful for improving mood and wellbeing on a cut, as well as improving hormone balance and cortisol levels, but I think they all have those two ingredients.

 

[AntM1564]

I'm currently on an Epistane cutting cycle which would you think would suite more?

Thank you,
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Would this be for after your cycle?

 

[R1balla]

I wouldn't use during cycle but that's just me. I suggest running proper PCT after you epistane cycle. That being said, some people like to use natty test boosters like AlphaMax xt during pct but for me, I like using them about 4 weeks after pct. This gives your body a break and allows you to reset and get ready to respond well to a solid product.

 

[LeanEngineer]

The following are high-quality natural test boosters:

AlphaMax XT
M-Test
Test1fy or K1ngs Blood

They have some of the same/similar ingredients, but each on has it's own benefits that may make one a better fit for your particular goals. Are you bulking/cutting/etc? Some more info about you would help people give you the best possible recommendations.

These are all good options. I'll throw another vote for alphamax xt. I've used it many times and really like the results from the test booster.

 

[jgntyce]

CEL MTEST is a very worthy test booster. Many logs on this forum show the quality and effectiveness of the product.

 

[Smiler]

I'd planned on using it in my PCT with a SERM (Nolva) and an AI on standby.. however if you recommend using it after PCT I will go for that!

I was going to use it in my PCT as I read that Nolva can cause loss of libido and I don't want the girlfriend to be unhappy that being said I've got some viagra on hand

 

[thebigt]

hat's off to performax reps...I knew without looking they would be here, lol!!!

 

[cubsfan815]

hat's off to performax reps...I knew without looking they would be here, lol!!!

Not sure if that was backhanded compliment?? One rep recommended Alphamax XT, M-Test, and 2 OL products. 1 rep asked for more info to help make best recommendation for OP, and the last rep suggested using Alphamax XT 4 weeks after PCT, when he could have suggested running it in PCT.

And I'm here enjoying my Disney vacation saying Hi

 

[vujade]

CEL M-Test would be my first choice.
I also enjoyed Viron.

 

[R1balla]

It's nice to have an AI on hand while you are in PCT, but I would plan to use it a few weeks after PCT.

 

[R1balla]

Not sure if that was backhanded compliment?? One rep recommended Alphamax XT, M-Test, and 2 OL products. 1 rep asked for more info to help make best recommendation for OP, and the last rep suggested using Alphamax XT 4 weeks after PCT, when he could have suggested running it in PCT.

And I'm here enjoying my Disney vacation saying Hi

And I'm here without a home or belongings (lost from the hurricane) still trying to help others lol

 

[bigdavid]

And I'm here without a home or belongings (lost from the hurricane) still trying to help others lol

Respect, man. Hope things will get better for your area soon. I’m in Florida currently looking at Irma...bad hurricane season so far... while most of the damage in Texas seemed to be from rain and flooding, I have a feeling it is going to be the wind that gets us in Florida.

 

[bigdavid]

Honestly man I’d say the best test booster you are gona use is the SERM. And if you are only using one of them, just nolva for instance, I’d take whatever money you’d be spending on an OTC test booster (easily $50 or more) and get some clomid to add to it.

 

[NurseGray]

I'd planned on using it in my PCT with a SERM (Nolva) and an AI on standby.. however if you recommend using it after PCT I will go for that!

I was going to use it in my PCT as I read that Nolva can cause loss of libido and I don't want the girlfriend to be unhappy that being said I've got some viagra on hand

If you are going to be using the product for PCT. I am going to assume you don't necessary care about the "natural" aspect of the product. If that is the case I would use Test-RX by Formutech. I use it for all of my cylces and love it. If you are wanting an only natural product I would go with Novadex XT by Gaspari.

 

[bigdavid]

If you are going to be using the product for PCT. I am going to assume you don't necessary care about the "natural" aspect of the product. If that is the case I would use Test-RX by Formutech. I use it for all of my cylces and love it. If you are wanting an only natural product I would go with Novadex XT by Gaspari.

I miss the old novedex xt.. :’(

 

[NurseGray]

I miss the old novedex xt.. :’(

I miss 70% of the older supplement market

 

[bigdavid]

I miss 70% of the older supplement market

Aha touché

 

[Ricky10]

I don't know why OL reps never participate in these threads...of which there are many. Maybe they feel they don't have to because their test booster ingredients speak for themselves.

Fact is, there have been a handful of reports showing favorable bloodwork pre and post use of Kings Blood in particular. Jebrook and NoAddedHmones can attest to this. Yes, they are reps, but there are other AM members who have posted bloodwork as well. The only bloodwork I have seen posted for another aforementioned product actually showed a slight decline in test levels. Even the subjective "feel good" attributes of test boosters have all been more consistently positive with Kings Blood and TEST1FY for that matter. That is not to say that the others don't have a loyal fan base, but they also have had user reports of less than desirable reactions.

Anyone that follows the test booster threads as I do, will easily pick up on these trends. Sorry, it's just the way it is...

 

[Jebrook]

I don't know why OL reps never participate in these threads...of which there are many. Maybe they feel they don't have to because their test booster ingredients speak for themselves.

Fact is, there have been a handful of reports showing favorable bloodwork pre and post use of Kings Blood in particular. Jebrook and NoAddedHmones can attest to this. Yes, they are reps, but there are other AM members who have posted bloodwork as well. The only bloodwork I have seen posted for an aforementioned product actually showed a slight decline in test levels. Even the subjective "feel good" attributes of test boosters have all been more consistently positive with Kings Blood and TEST1FY for that matter. That is not to say that the others don't have a loyal fan base, but they also have had user reports of less than desirable reactions.

Anyone that follows the test booster threads as I do, will easily pick up on these trends. Sorry, it's just the way it is...

Honestly, there are so many test booster threads that I miss a bunch of them. We absolutely believe our test booster formulations are the best on the market. I'm glad you enjoy them and spoke up. It's all about sharing what works.

 

[VO2Maxima]

I don't know why OL reps never participate in these threads...of which there are many. Maybe they feel they don't have to because their test booster ingredients speak for themselves.

Fact is, there have been a handful of reports showing favorable bloodwork pre and post use of Kings Blood in particular. Jebrook and NoAddedHmones can attest to this. Yes, they are reps, but there are other AM members who have posted bloodwork as well. The only bloodwork I have seen posted for an aforementioned product actually showed a slight decline in test levels. Even the subjective "feel good" attributes of test boosters have all been more consistently positive with Kings Blood and TEST1FY for that matter. That is not to say that the others don't have a loyal fan base, but they also have had user reports of less than desirable reactions.

Anyone that follows the test booster threads as I do, will easily pick up on these trends. Sorry, it's just the way it is...

Those guys have gotten bloodwork using K1ngs Blood, and it was VERY promising. Beyond what you'd expect to see with a natural product.

I'm going to plug good old Test1fy though. As the newer product, K1ngs Blood gets a lot of love (rightfully so), but Test1fy should not be overlooked either. Appetite increase, general feeling of well-being, and a profile that should be excellent for natural hormone optimization.

 

[muree]

another vote for Kingsblood.. just grabbed 5 bottles with the LABOR50 sale

 

[AE14]

I think some are good, but bear in mind that these are still natural. I do like the Diesel line and non powdered DAA. Some OTC PCT products have done well by me also.

 

[Ricky10]

another vote for Kingsblood.. just grabbed 5 bottles with the LABOR50 sale

Yup, I am going to be getting a bottle of TEST1FY, and K1NGS BLOOD to take advantage of the sale. Wish I had a bit more money to stock up like you did!

 

[pro45]

5,000 IU Vit D3, 2-3 tbls. olive oil, red meat 2-3x a week, LJ100.

 

[muree]

Yup, I am going to be getting a bottle of TEST1FY, and K1NGS BLOOD to take advantage of the sale. Wish I had a bit more money to stock up like you did!

i hear ya. been saving up since may for this sale

 

[Ricky10]

i hear ya. been saving up since may for this sale

That's a long term saving commitment! I suspect you have used K1NGS BLOOD before?

 

[muree]

That's a long term saving commitment! I suspect you have used K1NGS BLOOD before?

ofcourse.. i've used pretty much all popular test boosters in the last 5 years and Kingsblood shines in the top 3 for sure.

 

[Ricky10]

I think some are good, but bear in mind that these are still natural. I do like the Diesel line and non powdered DAA. Some OTC PCT products have done well by me also.

I will say the Diesel Line has quite a few attractive ingredients, others I am not such a fan of. It is also a bit too much of a kitchen sink approach and there is no standardization. I tried a bottle of Hardcore a few years ago and I could not even tell I was taking anything. It fell into the never buy again category for me.

 

[muree]

My feedback on diesel - first testbooster I came across with stims in it nevertheless it just amplified my preworkout drinks to a whole new level.

Appetite - The increase in hunger from DTH is no joke but surprisingly I never put on much flab (am a classic endomorph and carbs are never kind to me).
Libido - didnt see much of an increase with libido as raved by many other users
sleep - sleep was the worst, once I hit 4 tabs a day I was awake all night for 3 consecutive days. This was the dealbreaker and had to stop using it.

 

[AE14]

My feedback on diesel - first testbooster I came across with stims in it nevertheless it just amplified my preworkout drinks to a whole new level.

Appetite - The increase in hunger from DTH is no joke but surprisingly I never put on much flab (am a classic endomorph and carbs are never kind to me).
Libido - didnt see much of an increase with libido as raved by many other users
sleep - sleep was the worst, once I hit 4 tabs a day I was awake all night for 3 consecutive days. This was the dealbreaker and had to stop using it.

I totally agree here. Only difference for me was the sleep. I need had an issue. Thats the beauty though, everything hits each individual so differently at times.

 

[muree]

I totally agree here. Only difference for me was the sleep. I need had an issue. Thats the beauty though, everything hits each individual so differently at times.

true.. theres a lot of good feedback on diesel products from longterm members in this forum.

 

[Ricky10]

My feedback on diesel - first testbooster I came across with stims in it nevertheless it just amplified my preworkout drinks to a whole new level.

Appetite - The increase in hunger from DTH is no joke but surprisingly I never put on much flab (am a classic endomorph and carbs are never kind to me).
Libido - didnt see much of an increase with libido as raved by many other users
sleep - sleep was the worst, once I hit 4 tabs a day I was awake all night for 3 consecutive days. This was the dealbreaker and had to stop using it.

Well, as far as your libido goes, two of the ingredients in all of the diesel products have been demonstrated to be anti-androgens. One of which would be DIM at these high doses. They are proprietary blends, but we can assume the content is quite high given the disclaimer about the product turning your urine yellow due to the inclusion of DIM.

 

[muree]

Well, as far as your libido goes, two of the ingredients in all of the diesel products have been demonstrated to be anti-androgens. One of which would be DIM at these high doses. They are proprietary blends, but we can assume the content is quite high given the disclaimer about the product turning your urine yellow due to the inclusion of DIM.

doesnt DIM in reasonable dosage act as an anti estrogen and thereby increasing test?

 

[muree]

ah just missed 'high doses of DIM' in your message. it very well could be the culprit

 

[Ricky10]

doesnt DIM in reasonable dosage act as an anti estrogen and thereby increasing test?

I am willing to bet the Diesel products contain more DIM than one would like..

https://atpscience.com/dim-diindolylmethane-the-most-potent-plant-anti-androgen/

 

[muree]

nice read..science/research keeps changing every few years hope someday tongkat is not condemned for lowering testosterone

 

[bigdavid]

DIM converts E2 to weaker estrogens. But don’t be fooled. It can actually flood the system with more weaker estrogens and welcomes in more E2 from Test conversion due to changing the perceived balance your body sees. I’ve seen many reports of DIM worsening gyno symptoms. But other ingredients in specific products may be able to make
Up for DIMs shortcomings

 

[muscleupcrohn]

nice read..science/research keeps changing every few years hope someday tongkat is not condemned for lowering testosterone

Haha. Science usually doesn't work like that. In other words, things don't just arbitrarily change, we just change our opinions and conclusions as we gather more knowledge on the subject. In regards to DAA, it's not that it magically just "stopped working" or changed, it's just we now have studies on healthy subjects with normal testosterone levels, and it was shown not to have any positive effects in this population. We no longer have to extrapolate the benefits from people with low-T to healthy subjects. The previous hypothesis was that maybe it worked in healthy people, since it worked in people with low-T; it wasn't certain, but it could go either way really. Now we don't have to extrapolate, so we have a more clear, direct picture of what to expect from DAA in healthy subjects with normal T-levels.

On the other hand, I have seen at least a couple of studies on tongkat ali in healthy subjects not showing any decreases in testosterone. Some studies I think showed benefits under certain circumstances, along with decreases in cortisol. It seems very unlikely that TA will decrease T.

TL;DR: Science isn't changing, our beliefs and conclusions are changing as we learn more about the subject(s).

 

[thebigt]

Haha. Science usually doesn't work like that. In other words, things don't just arbitrarily change, we just change our opinions and conclusions as we gather more knowledge on the subject. In regards to DAA, it's not that it magically just "stopped working" or changed, it's just we now have studies on healthy subjects with normal testosterone levels, and it was shown not to have any positive effects in this population. We no longer have to extrapolate the benefits from people with low-T to healthy subjects. The previous hypothesis was that maybe it worked in healthy people, since it worked in people with low-T; it wasn't certain, but it could go either way really. Now we don't have to extrapolate, so we have a more clear, direct picture of what to expect from DAA in healthy subjects with normal T-levels.

On the other hand, I have seen at least a couple of studies on tongkat ali in healthy subjects not showing any decreases in testosterone. Some studies I think showed benefits under certain circumstances, along with decreases in cortisol. It seems very unlikely that TA will decrease T.

TL;DR: Science isn't changing, our beliefs and conclusions are changing as we learn more about the subject(s).

if only weathermen could get their shyt together, lol....forecasted 90% rain yesterday and severe storms today. nothing but blue sky!!!

I guess science is subjective.....:bandit:

 

[muscleupcrohn]

if only weathermen could get their shyt together, lol....forecasted 90% rain yesterday and severe storms today. nothing but blue sky!!!

I guess science is subjective.....:bandit:

I think that's why a lot of stations have switched to just having hot women as weather-people. Since no one can get it right anyway, you may as well have someone attractive getting it wrong. If it's not going to accurate, at least make it entertaining I suppose.

 

[thebigt]

I think that's why a lot of stations have switched to just having hot women as weather-people. Since no one can get it right anyway, you may as well have someone attractive getting it wrong. If it's not going to accurate, at least make it entertaining I suppose.

hey, I agree 100%...big tits in a tight sweater for the win!!!

 

[muree]

hey, I agree 100%...big tits in a tight sweater for the win!!!

big tits in a tight sweater with some chillness in the air .. lol

 

[thebigt]

big tits in a tight sweater with some chillness in the air .. lol

doesn't hurt....

 

[muree]

Haha. Science usually doesn't work like that. In other words, things don't just arbitrarily change, we just change our opinions and conclusions as we gather more knowledge on the subject. In regards to DAA, it's not that it magically just "stopped working" or changed, it's just we now have studies on healthy subjects with normal testosterone levels, and it was shown not to have any positive effects in this population. We no longer have to extrapolate the benefits from people with low-T to healthy subjects. The previous hypothesis was that maybe it worked in healthy people, since it worked in people with low-T; it wasn't certain, but it could go either way really. Now we don't have to extrapolate, so we have a more clear, direct picture of what to expect from DAA in healthy subjects with normal T-levels.

On the other hand, I have seen at least a couple of studies on tongkat ali in healthy subjects not showing any decreases in testosterone. Some studies I think showed benefits under certain circumstances, along with decreases in cortisol. It seems very unlikely that TA will decrease T.

TL;DR: Science isn't changing, our beliefs and conclusions are changing as we learn more about the subject(s).

if our opinions and conclusions are going to change, then its only a conclusion for that period of time. there are no guarantees with what we may conclude on science tommorrow.

 

[muree]

doesn't hurt....

it might if she has big sensitive grapes

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I don't know why OL reps never participate in these threads...of which there are many. Maybe they feel they don't have to because their test booster ingredients speak for themselves.

Fact is, there have been a handful of reports showing favorable bloodwork pre and post use of Kings Blood in particular. Jebrook and NoAddedHmones can attest to this. Yes, they are reps, but there are other AM members who have posted bloodwork as well. The only bloodwork I have seen posted for another aforementioned product actually showed a slight decline in test levels. Even the subjective "feel good" attributes of test boosters have all been more consistently positive with Kings Blood and TEST1FY for that matter. That is not to say that the others don't have a loyal fan base, but they also have had user reports of less than desirable reactions.

Anyone that follows the test booster threads as I do, will easily pick up on these trends. Sorry, it's just the way it is...

I will have another round of before and afters in about 2 months to compare against my last run.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

if our opinions and conclusions are going to change, then its only a conclusion for that period of time. there are no guarantees with what we may conclude on science tommorrow.

I think you missed my point. Either that or I'm just reading your post wrong. Our previous "conclusions" on DAA (for increasing testosterone in healthy subjects with normal testosterone levels) were not based on direct or conclusive evidence, but on extrapolation from other populations (people with low-T), so they weren't really "conclusion" so much as hypotheses. Conversely, when we are able to see the results of many studies showing the same/similar effects/benefits in a population (like the many studies we have on the benefits of creatine), and we can explain why these ingredients work, accurate conclusions can be drawn; it is very unlikely that new research will lead us to change our conclusion that creatine is an effective ergogenic ingredient.

TL;DR: Hypotheses/conclusions change as new information/facts are presented/learned. This is especially true for subjects where drawing any conclusions involves extrapolating results from other populations/groups/etc. If/when we have a large amount of direct information/facts pointing to a conclusion on a given issue, it is less likely that we will suddenly "change" that conclusion, as it has a lot of direct evidence/support behind it.

I hope that makes some sense.