Anybody have any thoughts on this film?
How good where you at counting macros and micros prior?All I can say is when I switched majority of my diet to plant based I feel amazing and making the best gains.
I enjoyed the doc, agreed with some of it, learned a few things (verified afterwards, of course)... but this comment is bang on. It's a propaganda piece.Vegan propaganda.
I will second this. Switched to plant based and I feel a lot betterAll I can say is when I switched majority of my diet to plant based I feel amazing and making the best gains.
Pretty good. I have been counting macros since I was 16. Been a long time since I started. I use to be big on dairy and meat. Ever since I switched eating styles and of course same count of calories/macros my joints have been better than ever, no digestion issues, bloat has dropped a lot, my skin is clear, no more hemroids, and my pumps seem to have improved maybe due to more blood flow in my arteries lmao.How good where you at counting macros and micros prior?
Awesome brother Best decision I've made.I will second this. Switched to plant based and I feel a lot better
Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.The #1 biggest downfall of veganism is the inability to utilize keto on a cut. It is impossible to hit your protein macros without taking in carbs while vegan (outside of getting all protein from shakes)
The beauty of it though is that with all the fiber you take in, it's actually quite hard to gain fat or even reach a caloric surplus high enough to gain a significant amount of body fat while on a vegan diet. Most vegan bulks are lean bulks by nature unless you really go hard on the peanut butter. In addition, most vegan carbs are very low on the glycemic index apart from fruit.Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.
My main reason for switching to plant based diet is because quite simply, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's a myth that you can't get enough protein. I also don't eat for pleasure so I do not miss meat at all(I only ate it for the protein anyway). Plants are loaded with all types of good nutrients. Meat doesn't really bring anything to the table except protein and vitamin b12 and you can just supplement vitamin b12
Whats your weekly food bill compared to when you ate traditional?Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.
People hold meat very close to their heartsI'm just appreciating how neutral and civil this topic has stayed. Seems impossible to hear this topic/conversation without people getting all worked up. Well played gentlemen
There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.Whats a good non mainstream online resource that has some of the science on this? Not youtoob.
Hmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet.
To oversimplify, any benefits gained from a vegan diet can be had in an omnivorous diet while benefits from non-vegan foods cannot be had in a vegan diet.Hmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.
Most health benefits from it are anecdotal and people could probably still achieve the benefits from other diets. But I will have to say that, if done properly, it can force you to eat very healthy foods, if that's the kind of thing someone needs to keep themselves on trackHmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.
There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.
There are plenty of health benefits to being vegan but none of which you can't achieve doing other diets. For instance, a vegan diet would definitely reduce heart diease and diabetes if done properly, but so could other propery executed diets that do have animal products.This seems exaggerated that there is no nutritional/health advantage.. anything supporting a pretty bold claim? (I'm not on either side)
Right. Millions of animals do die from agricultural operations and those losses are magnified by meat consumption due to the energy loss from feed -> meat product.Even "Ethical" ones are suspect - millions of animals other than the usual cows/chickens, etc... - are killed by agricultural operations. Birds, Insects, Reptiles, Rodents, Small Animals, etc...
Maybe I'm just a savage, but I'm not that concerned about animals sufferingRight. Millions of animals do die from agricultural operations and those losses are magnified by meat consumption due to the energy loss from feed -> meat product.
The goal of veganism is to reduce animal suffering in a meaningful way by refraining from the consumption of animal products(non-food items included). I believe it is widely recognized that one cannot exist in modern society without directly or indirectly causing animal suffering.
If the discussion turns to absolutely minimizing animal suffering then I would argue living a hunting and gathering lifestyle and complete non-participation in society would yield the lowest amount of animal suffering.
A possible counterpoint is by participating in society and directly or indirectly influencing the food choices of others to trend towards less animal products yields a net reduction in animal suffering greater than a single person can achieve on their own.
I agree with you here... I think this one paints a more accurate picture. The food industry, now they're savages for real lol. Really food processing is the worst thing for you and the government knows processed foods contain carcinogens but its a huge way to make sure the money keeps flowing. Produce it as cheap as possible with a long shelf life, they don't care about your health lolI think "In defense of food" is a way better documentary. You guys should watch it. It doesn't demonize meat, but rather makes the claim that a plant centered diet is way healthier, but also that meat has its place and is okay to eat in moderation. It looks at the psychological games the food industry plays on society to make profit.
I think the guy in that one is easier to listen to than the guy in "what the health"I agree with you here... I think this one paints a more accurate picture. The food industry, now they're savages for real lol. Really food processing is the worst thing for you and the government knows processed foods contain carcinogens but its a huge way to make sure the money keeps flowing. Produce it as cheap as possible with a long shelf life, they don't care about your health lol
Sounds like that one would be watchable - it coincides with societal studies on the healthiest populations: More non-meat than meat, but meat is in there I don't know why some people just can't accept the term 'Omnivore'?I think "In defense of food" is a way better documentary. You guys should watch it. It doesn't demonize meat, but rather makes the claim that a plant centered diet is way healthier, but also that meat has its place and is okay to eat in moderation. It looks at the psychological games the food industry plays on society to make profit.
Various mammals are omnivorous in the wild, such as species of pigs, badgers, bears, coatis, civets, hedgehogs, opossums, skunks, sloths, squirrels, raccoons, chipmunks, mice, and rats. Hominidae, including humans and chimpanzees, are also omnivores.
I agree man.Sounds like that one would be watchable - it coincides with societal studies on the healthiest populations: More non-meat than meat, but meat is in there I don't know why some people just can't accept the term 'Omnivore'?
agree with this oneThere isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.
What a load of crap. I raise chickens, fish and harvest my own wild game. Please tell me how I contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage?agree with this one
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