I actually ran this awhile ago to give it a try and I'll have to say i did put on some lbs. It worked well for me and I was doing 3 caps a day. I ran the pct it came with since I bought it as a stack and ran some nolva along side the otc pct. It was when I first starting prohormones so I wasn't as educated as I was now. haha. But it's a good beginner run.