Max LMG write-up?

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  1. and what does a progestin have to do with avoiding a ban? in that case why is tren illegal?


  2. Guys this is a very complex discussion that would likely be better to have by pm or e-mail since it has been explained elsewhere (ALRI site, AlRI forum, etc.) and some of these topics are not the type of stuff we should be discussing with regard to the legality of these supplements. Suffice to say that they are legal for now...... but discussing what exactly makes them legal is not advisable. As well as the fact that board rules state that these are the type of discussions that are best to be had by members over the age of 21. Not my rules.

    Mr.50
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  3. I would say tren and deca are progestins in that they can convert to and cause progesterone side effects. As Mr.50 said, probably should kinda watch what we say.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    Guys this is a very complex discussion that would likely be better to have by pm or e-mail since it has been explained elsewhere (ALRI site, AlRI forum, etc.) and some of these topics are not the type of stuff we should be discussing with regard to the legality of these supplements. Suffice to say that they are legal for now...... but discussing what exactly makes them legal is not advisable. As well as the fact that board rules state that these are the type of discussions that are best to be had by members over the age of 21. Not my rules.

    Mr.50
    ok, but since becoming a sponsor, most stuff goes unanswered in the ALRI forum

  5. Things will continue to go unanswered so as to protect the product. What we really need to ask ourselves is are these companies really looking out for the consumer or just trying to capitalize on the ban. The government clearly intended to rid the market of these types of substances. Unfortunately, there exists loopholes in the law(like every other law,provision,act, etc) due to the semantics. So various companies tread the thin legal line by releasing "progestins" or "pheromones". While claimed to be in the clear and completely legal, we all know better. These compounds are derivatives of T and have at least one pharmacological property akin to T, anabolic effect. So while it can and will be argued as to whether these compounds violate the law as written it is obvious that they clearly violate the spirit of the law.

    Where will this lead us to, well several possiblities exist. Because companies fail to self regulate themselves the FDA will be granted more power to ban at will whatever products they deem as a threat to consumers. It's likely that the government will repeal the DSHEA altogether to avoid the scenario that presently exists. Alternatively it could lead to the passing of an act similar the one proposed by the Codex Alimentarius Commission.
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  6. ^^^ I'm definitely agree with you ersatz that's why I'm going to stock on max LMG lol

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz
    Things will continue to go unanswered so as to protect the product. What we really need to ask ourselves is are these companies really looking out for the consumer or just trying to capitalize on the ban. The government clearly intended to rid the market of these types of substances. Unfortunately, there exists loopholes in the law(like every other law,provision,act, etc) due to the semantics. So various companies tread the thin legal line by releasing "progestins" or "pheromones". While claimed to be in the clear and completely legal, we all know better. These compounds are derivatives of T and have at least one pharmacological property akin to T, anabolic effect. So while it can and will be argued as to whether these compounds violate the law as written it is obvious that they clearly violate the spirit of the law.

    Where will this lead us to, well several possiblities exist. Because companies fail to self regulate themselves the FDA will be granted more power to ban at will whatever products they deem as a threat to consumers. It's likely that the government will repeal the DSHEA altogether to avoid the scenario that presently exists. Alternatively it could lead to the passing of an act similar the one proposed by the Codex Alimentarius Commission.
    I agree for the most part. Some companies have truly tried to produce quality products WITH the consumer in mind. IMHO, designer supplements does far more in terms of research, testing, THEN releasing a product to the masses than other companies. I have no experience with ALRI thus far, so I cannot comment on the product at question. Their SHORT write up looks great on paper, but no testers, reviews are to be found . I have both the MAX LMG and the SD, but as I have said earlier, am waiting for more info on the MAXLMG. With SD comes many precautions, such as the necessity for the abbreviated cycle length due to possible lipid and liver issues.

    The possibility of something like codex coming into play is a long shot IMHO. You are correct though in the assertion that many a company is/has tried to capitalize on making a quick buck while they can, and in many cases, this comes back to haunt the end users, US!

  8. Well I just ordered a bottle of this stuff.

    I was running a cutter with MOHN and SD

    Started at 188 and today I was 181 ive lost 2-3% Bf and 5-6 pounds BF and maybe a 1 pound increase in LBM lost 2 iches from waist. Im taking in around 1800 cals ed and doing 45-55 minutes low intensity cardio first thing morning empty stomach.

    Im mid week 3 of my 6 week cycle I ran 10mg SD along with 24mg of MOHN for 2 weeks.

    Then in the third week I dropped the SD and bumped the MOHN to 36 mg my kidneys started to wreak havoc ive cycled orals in the past and this pain started to scare me to shorten my cycle early. It was a burning pain not like the dull ache that I usually get while on orals.

    even with upping my water and taking massive amounts of cranberry Ive still noticed some pain. So yesterday I took a day off from the orals to see if that was causing it and it is considerably better today.

    I will start up the Max at reccomended doseage and update how well the cycle goes.

    But keep in mind everyone im not using this as a bulker I expect maybe 2 pounds increased LBM during my cut tops. Im just trying to use some form of androgen to preserve all the muscle mass I have.

    I will note that I do have pre existing gyno so I will be using .5 mg of letro ed and 20mg of nolva if I see the need.

    Ill be the guinea pig and let everyone know what I think of the compound.

  9. @bryanman good stuff man keep us informed good luck with the cycle max LMG is not a methylated compound so hepatoxicity issues shouldn't be a problem

  10. Yeah i figured there isnt much feedback on this product at all so ill try it out and report my opinions of the compound.

    Of course everyone will ask how much and what my goals and all of this so I premptivly answered everyones questions.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by BryanM
    Yeah i figured there isnt much feedback on this product at all so ill try it out and report my opinions of the compound.

    Of course everyone will ask how much and what my goals and all of this so I premptivly answered everyones questions.
    I plan on using it for a cut as well, maybe with the SD at low dosages though.

  12. I was wondering if this compound is esterified, because regarding of the bioavailability of max LMG author R.lea said it gots an half life of about 8 hours ... without being methylated at all... Although he said a good dosage should be 75mg daily divided in three doses

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz
    Things will continue to go unanswered so as to protect the product. What we really need to ask ourselves is are these companies really looking out for the consumer or just trying to capitalize on the ban. The government clearly intended to rid the market of these types of substances. Unfortunately, there exists loopholes in the law(like every other law,provision,act, etc) due to the semantics. So various companies tread the thin legal line by releasing "progestins" or "pheromones". While claimed to be in the clear and completely legal, we all know better. These compounds are derivatives of T and have at least one pharmacological property akin to T, anabolic effect. So while it can and will be argued as to whether these compounds violate the law as written it is obvious that they clearly violate the spirit of the law.

    Where will this lead us to, well several possiblities exist. Because companies fail to self regulate themselves the FDA will be granted more power to ban at will whatever products they deem as a threat to consumers. It's likely that the government will repeal the DSHEA altogether to avoid the scenario that presently exists. Alternatively it could lead to the passing of an act similar the one proposed by the Codex Alimentarius Commission.
    I don't at all discount your comment on whether many supplement co's have consumer's interests at heart-clearly many do not. They are in it for profit, and it is very obvious.

    That said, however, some of us don't believe the government has the right to ban such substances in a free society. So violating the spirit of the law/ban is a push for personal rights and freedom, ultimately.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Julien
    I was wondering if this compound is esterified, because regarding of the bioavailability of max LMG author R.lea said it gots an half life of about 8 hours ... without being methylated at all... Although he said a good dosage should be 75mg daily divided in three doses
    If I'm not mistaken, its got an ethyl ester, maybe thats whats helping the bioavailibility?

  15. i will be starting a max lmg cycle with rebound xt for pct next week. im going to keep a daily log on the bb forum under the same name as i use here.

  16. This crap is ANDROGENIC!!!


    My prostate hurts even worse then 1 test with this!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BryanM
    This crap is ANDROGENIC!!!


    My prostate hurts even worse then 1 test with this!!!
    Hmmm...... anyone else experiencing this?

    Stacking it with LMG might be an issue then?

  18. Little update guys, I finally broke and started one of my bottles of Max LMG. I was going to save both for later...but reading the logs over at bb.com changed my mind.

    Anyways, its been almost a week now, I'm getting a feeling of hardness throughout the day. Interesting thing is, I'm cutting right now and I've definitely dropped bf, yet I'm maintaining my weight. Actually, I think I put on a lb extra. Could be water retention, I'm not sure...but its interesting.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam
    Little update guys, I finally broke and started one of my bottles of Max LMG. I was going to save both for later...but reading the logs over at bb.com changed my mind.

    Anyways, its been almost a week now, I'm getting a feeling of hardness throughout the day. Interesting thing is, I'm cutting right now and I've definitely dropped bf, yet I'm maintaining my weight. Actually, I think I put on a lb extra. Could be water retention, I'm not sure...but its interesting.
    I'm taking it with 5mg M1T ED while cutting...first week waist went down 1/4", bodyweight went up 2 lbs., squat (working out weight) is up 10 lbs. (which is hard to believe I know) and narrow grip press (I can't do a normal bench press heavy otherwise my shoulders will flare up) is up 1 rep (not much but usually when I diet I struggle to even hold on to strength.)

    The week before was with only M1T at 5mg ED and strength stayed the same while I dropped 1 lb on the scale.

  20. max LMG is methylated (methoxy bond) - just not at the dangerous C17 position, which means it should be neutral hepatoxically but still bioavailable.and ersatz, that post gets a huge thumbs down for discretion.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by same_old
    max LMG is methylated (methoxy bond) - just not at the dangerous C17 position, which means it should be neutral hepatoxically but still bioavailable.and ersatz, that post gets a huge thumbs down for discretion.
    Others have stated it is NOT methylated, so now I'm confused...

  22. When a compound is alkylated (methyl or ethyl) at the carbon 17 there is an increase in liver stress due to creating a much harder to break down structure. It also results in near 100% bioavailability.

    However, there are 7a and 3a methoxy analogs that are WAY LESS stressful on the liver than ANY 17a. It is like comparing asprin to Tylenol.

    On another issue regarding androgenic potential and prostates: Lad, if you are experiencing ANY inflammation or hypertophy from ANY compound at age 21, you really need to seek medical evaluation.
  23. max lmg


    interesting

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Author L. Rea
    When a compound is alkylated (methyl or ethyl) at the carbon 17 there is an increase in liver stress due to creating a much harder to break down structure. It also results in near 100% bioavailability.

    However, there are 7a and 3a methoxy analogs that are WAY LESS stressful on the liver than ANY 17a. It is like comparing asprin to Tylenol.

    On another issue regarding androgenic potential and prostates: Lad, if you are experiencing ANY inflammation or hypertophy from ANY compound at age 21, you really need to seek medical evaluation.
    Yes I made some mistakes an jumped the gun in starting steroids and have payed the price

    I have BPH due to androgenic sides of a test E/deca cycle without taking the proper precautions

    It sucks I know but now im very select as to what compounds to use because of the effects on my prostate.
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