Max LMG write-up?
- 04-23-2005, 12:13 AM
- 04-23-2005, 03:01 PM
- 04-23-2005, 03:22 PM
aside from those who have mentioned stacking LMG with MAX, anyone thinking of other stacks to try with MAX? Or, what WOULD work well, what WOULD NOT work well based on what is known of its structure and characteristics???
04-23-2005, 05:33 PM
04-23-2005, 05:35 PM
What about stacking it with M1T? (I think I've asked this before but nobody responded...guess because M1T is illegal now.)
04-23-2005, 05:45 PM
While we can theorize the effects of this compound based on structure the past has taught us better. It's my belief that anytime you run a compound for the first time you should NOT stack it with anything. This will allow you to better determine the effects of the compound. Once we have more user feedback about this product it will be easier to determine what should be stacked with it. Given that it's purportedly a dry compound you would naturally stack it with a wet one.Originally Posted by milwood
But if ALRI had the intentions of this being stacked with the now defunct Ergomax then I'm at a loss. Both products are supposdely dry compounds so there seems to be a bit of redundancy but until someone tries it who knows.
04-23-2005, 05:50 PM
04-23-2005, 06:08 PM
I'm doing a short 6 week cycle of tren ace and test suspension in a few months, I was thinking of adding max to that stack. Still haven't decided yet.Originally Posted by milwood
04-23-2005, 07:04 PM
04-23-2005, 07:26 PM
Hows it going? I am thinking of a max/superdrol stack also, what dosages are you running?Originally Posted by aflexaholic
04-23-2005, 07:28 PM
Max LMG 75mg dailyOriginally Posted by enimity
Superdrol 20mg daily
Some may step the superdrol up but for me this is plenty.
04-23-2005, 07:33 PM
04-23-2005, 07:44 PM
I am thinking about a SD and LMG Stack also. It won't happen till this summer though so by then there will be plenty advice and info out there. Let us know how it goes Aflex!
04-23-2005, 08:49 PM
Sure thing. What size person was the 3 tabs a day designed for. Just wondering if i would need an extra tab a day than your normal sized person considering im 6'5.5" at 248lbs.Originally Posted by RAVEN
04-26-2005, 03:21 PM
I have some sdrol laying around, but am in the middle of a cut. Would this compound lend itself better for leaning down/retaining muscle? On paper SD looked to be dry as well, but reports showed otherwise. That is why I am hesitant to run the sdrol right now.....(along with the issues concerning lipids and liver values). IMHO, I would rather run somehting for 4-6 wks and only gain 3-6 lbs or so along with some strength and loss in bfat as opposed to the extremely quick onset of weight users are reporting from sdrol inclusing a typical inch in the waist
04-26-2005, 03:40 PM
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one thats what's is in max LMG I must admit I'm confused about this compound its a progestin ALRI said ? I know this is not a test compound obviously but we need more info...
04-26-2005, 04:33 PM
"As a progestin, Max LMG™ is structurally related to the so-called abortion pill RU-486"Originally Posted by Julien
Does anybody have any studies on how RU486 effects males?
04-26-2005, 05:29 PM
yeah but its STRUCTURALLY related fortunately max LMG is not an absorption pill lol. This compound is still obscure to be, author L.rea gotta explain us !
found a definition of progestins on the net... things seems a bit clearer to me now :As a progestin, Max LMG is structurally related to the so-called abortion pill RU-486 and as such acts as an "anti-progesterone". Yes, this means decreased estrogen-like effects and an increase in libido.
A progestin is a synthetic progestagen. These particular synthetic hormones are most often used in the production of contraceptives.
Progestins are classified according to their structure in C19 and C21 progestagens. The C19 ones are derived from testosterone, the C21 ones from progesterone. C21 progestagens include cyproterone acetate, dydrogesterone, medroxyprogesterone acetate, chlormadinone acetate, megestrol and promegestone. Of these, dydrogesterone is structurally most similar to progesterone. C19 progestagens include norethisterone, (levo)norgestrel, lynestrenol, desogestrel, norgestimate, gestodene and tibolone.
now you're probably wondering what are progestagens here you go
Progestagens (also spelled progestogens or gestagens) are hormones similar in effect to progesterone, the only natural progestagen. All other progestagens are synthetic and are often referred to as progestins. All progestagens have antiestrogenic (counteracting the effects of estrogens on the body) and antigonadotropic (inhibiting the production of sex steroids by gonads) properties. Progestagens differ in their potency (affinity for progesterone receptors) and side-effects. Such side-effects may be androgenic (medroxyprogesterone and most C19 progestagens), antiandrogenic (cyproterone acetate), estrogenic, glucocorticoid (some C21 progestagens) or antimineralocorticoid (progesterone).
ok so to resume I think this compound is only pharmacologically related to the family of progestins (thus avoiding the ban) but because of its unique structure it must have strong AR binding affinities and also have anti-estrogens effects, like author R.Lea said on the description of the product. I've also learn for those wondering about this contraception pill stuff the chemical structure name in order to compare it to max LMG : 11β-17β-hydroxy-17-(1-propynyl)estra-4,9-dien-3-one. So as you can see we do not have to worry about taking an contraception pill lol
04-26-2005, 06:11 PM
I am thinking it could be very similar to either nandrolone or trenbolone, since it is a progestin. We need to make up codes for this stuff that way it isnt obvious as to what we are comparing them to
04-26-2005, 06:34 PM
actually I never understood why nandrolone and trenbolone are qualified of progestins, nandrolone is nortestosterone right so how can it be a progestin ? i'm confusedI am thinking it could be very similar to either nandrolone or trenbolone, since it is a progestin. We need to make up codes for this stuff that way it isnt obvious as to what we are comparing them to
04-26-2005, 06:52 PM
04-26-2005, 07:07 PM
Guys this is a very complex discussion that would likely be better to have by pm or e-mail since it has been explained elsewhere (ALRI site, AlRI forum, etc.) and some of these topics are not the type of stuff we should be discussing with regard to the legality of these supplements. Suffice to say that they are legal for now...... but discussing what exactly makes them legal is not advisable. As well as the fact that board rules state that these are the type of discussions that are best to be had by members over the age of 21. Not my rules.
04-26-2005, 08:19 PM
I would say tren and deca are progestins in that they can convert to and cause progesterone side effects. As Mr.50 said, probably should kinda watch what we say.
04-27-2005, 10:04 AM
ok, but since becoming a sponsor, most stuff goes unanswered in the ALRI forumOriginally Posted by Mr.50
04-27-2005, 12:52 PM
Things will continue to go unanswered so as to protect the product. What we really need to ask ourselves is are these companies really looking out for the consumer or just trying to capitalize on the ban. The government clearly intended to rid the market of these types of substances. Unfortunately, there exists loopholes in the law(like every other law,provision,act, etc) due to the semantics. So various companies tread the thin legal line by releasing "progestins" or "pheromones". While claimed to be in the clear and completely legal, we all know better. These compounds are derivatives of T and have at least one pharmacological property akin to T, anabolic effect. So while it can and will be argued as to whether these compounds violate the law as written it is obvious that they clearly violate the spirit of the law.
Where will this lead us to, well several possiblities exist. Because companies fail to self regulate themselves the FDA will be granted more power to ban at will whatever products they deem as a threat to consumers. It's likely that the government will repeal the DSHEA altogether to avoid the scenario that presently exists. Alternatively it could lead to the passing of an act similar the one proposed by the Codex Alimentarius Commission.
04-27-2005, 01:37 PM
04-27-2005, 01:57 PM
I agree for the most part. Some companies have truly tried to produce quality products WITH the consumer in mind. IMHO, designer supplements does far more in terms of research, testing, THEN releasing a product to the masses than other companies. I have no experience with ALRI thus far, so I cannot comment on the product at question. Their SHORT write up looks great on paper, but no testers, reviews are to be found . I have both the MAX LMG and the SD, but as I have said earlier, am waiting for more info on the MAXLMG. With SD comes many precautions, such as the necessity for the abbreviated cycle length due to possible lipid and liver issues.Originally Posted by ersatz
The possibility of something like codex coming into play is a long shot IMHO. You are correct though in the assertion that many a company is/has tried to capitalize on making a quick buck while they can, and in many cases, this comes back to haunt the end users, US!
04-27-2005, 04:30 PM
Well I just ordered a bottle of this stuff.
I was running a cutter with MOHN and SD
Started at 188 and today I was 181 ive lost 2-3% Bf and 5-6 pounds BF and maybe a 1 pound increase in LBM lost 2 iches from waist. Im taking in around 1800 cals ed and doing 45-55 minutes low intensity cardio first thing morning empty stomach.
Im mid week 3 of my 6 week cycle I ran 10mg SD along with 24mg of MOHN for 2 weeks.
Then in the third week I dropped the SD and bumped the MOHN to 36 mg my kidneys started to wreak havoc ive cycled orals in the past and this pain started to scare me to shorten my cycle early. It was a burning pain not like the dull ache that I usually get while on orals.
even with upping my water and taking massive amounts of cranberry Ive still noticed some pain. So yesterday I took a day off from the orals to see if that was causing it and it is considerably better today.
I will start up the Max at reccomended doseage and update how well the cycle goes.
But keep in mind everyone im not using this as a bulker I expect maybe 2 pounds increased LBM during my cut tops. Im just trying to use some form of androgen to preserve all the I have.
I will note that I do have pre existing gyno so I will be using .5 mg of letro ed and 20mg of nolva if I see the need.
Ill be the guinea pig and let everyone know what I think of the compound.
04-27-2005, 04:35 PM
@bryanman good stuff man keep us informed good luck with the cycle max LMG is not a methylated compound so hepatoxicity issues shouldn't be a problem
04-27-2005, 04:42 PM
Yeah i figured there isnt much feedback on this product at all so ill try it out and report my opinions of the compound.
Of course everyone will ask how much and what my goals and all of this so I premptivly answered everyones questions.
04-27-2005, 04:49 PM
I plan on using it for a cut as well, maybe with the SD at low dosages though.Originally Posted by BryanM
04-27-2005, 04:54 PM
I was wondering if this compound is esterified, because regarding of the bioavailability of max LMG author R.lea said it gots an half life of about 8 hours ... without being methylated at all... Although he said a good dosage should be 75mg daily divided in three doses
04-27-2005, 05:15 PM
I don't at all discount your comment on whether many supplement co's have consumer's interests at heart-clearly many do not. They are in it for profit, and it is very obvious.Originally Posted by ersatz
That said, however, some of us don't believe the government has the right to ban such substances in a free society. So violating the spirit of the law/ban is a push for personal rights and freedom, ultimately.
04-27-2005, 08:00 PM
If I'm not mistaken, its got an ethyl ester, maybe thats whats helping the bioavailibility?Originally Posted by Julien
04-30-2005, 09:12 PM
i will be starting a max lmg cycle with rebound xt for pct next week. im going to keep a daily log on the bb forum under the same name as i use here.
04-30-2005, 11:16 PM
05-01-2005, 12:53 AM
Hmmm...... anyone else experiencing this?Originally Posted by BryanM
Stacking it with LMG might be an issue then?
05-01-2005, 04:18 PM
Little update guys, I finally broke and started one of my bottles of Max LMG. I was going to save both for later...but reading the logs over at bb.com changed my mind.
Anyways, its been almost a week now, I'm getting a feeling of hardness throughout the day. Interesting thing is, I'm cutting right now and I've definitely dropped bf, yet I'm maintaining my weight. Actually, I think I put on a lb extra. Could be water retention, I'm not sure...but its interesting.
05-01-2005, 08:03 PM
I'm taking it with 5mg M1T ED while cutting...first week waist went down 1/4", bodyweight went up 2 lbs., squat (working out weight) is up 10 lbs. (which is hard to believe I know) and narrow grip press (I can't do a normal bench press heavy otherwise my shoulders will flare up) is up 1 rep (not much but usually when I diet I struggle to even hold on to strength.)Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam
The week before was with only M1T at 5mg ED and strength stayed the same while I dropped 1 lb on the scale.
05-03-2005, 05:02 PM
max LMG is methylated (methoxy bond) - just not at the dangerous C17 position, which means it should be neutral hepatoxically but still bioavailable.and ersatz, that post gets a huge thumbs down for discretion.
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