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    BCAA mega-dose experiment results


    As I mentioned in the "Xtend vs. ICE" thread, myself and a few other people are experimenting with taking high doses of BCAA. I just competed my 4 week experiment using 7 servings of Scivation's Xtend per day. Nutrient totals per day:
    BCAA: 49 grams
    L-Glutamine: 17.5 grams
    Citrulline-Malate: 7 grams

    My diet was
    Protein: 300 grams (lowered from 350 for this experiment)
    Carbs: 450 grams (workout days) and 200 grams (rest days)
    Fat: 70 grams

    Training
    Mon/Fri: Chest/Back/Arms
    Wed/Sat: Legs/Shoulders/Traps

    Xtend Dosing Schedule
    Pre-workout: 1 serving
    During Workout: 1 serving
    Post Workout: 1 serving
    1 PM: 1 serving
    4 PM: 1 serving
    7 PM: 1 serving
    10 PM: 1 serving

    4 Week Results
    Lean Mass: +7 lbs.
    Fat Mass: -3 lbs.

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    I will post the others results when I get them.
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    Wow. To remark upon the obvious: great results!

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    Good deal man. Might have to look into buying some BCAA's in bulk.

    Your measurements are pretty much identical to mine. What kind of body type do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    Good deal man. Might have to look into buying some BCAA's in bulk.

    Your measurements are pretty much identical to mine. What kind of body type do you have?
    Mesomorph (attaching a pic from last summer)
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    Lucky you.

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    What effect do you think the additonal citrulline and glutamine had if any?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    What effect do you think the additonal citrulline and glutamine had if any?
    Citrulline definitely improves exercise performance and endurance.
    Glutamine, hard to say when one is hypercaloric.

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    So basically a kilo of BCAA's at 50 grams a day would yeild 20 days worth of supplementation. Hmmm, is there anyone else who did one of these logs? Was their BCAA intake different from yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    So basically a kilo of BCAA's at 50 grams a day would yeild 20 days worth of supplementation. Hmmm, is there anyone else who did one of these logs? Was their BCAA intake different from yours?
    There are some others using Xtend, some using ICE, and some using bulk BCAA. All are using around 30-50 grams/day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    Citrulline definitely improves exercise performance and endurance.
    Glutamine, hard to say when one is hypercaloric.
    What did Layne have to say about the l-glut?

    Great results, bro. I'd love to see some updated pics. 7lbs of lbm is incredible for one month.

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    Man...$40/month for BCAA mego dosing....I'd love to try it, but I hate being a poor college kid

    Do you think that for any reason a bit of this mass if from glycogen retention?

    I was surprised by that quick change in BW followed be a plateu for the last 2 weeks.

    BTW, your freggin quads look awesome...what are some of your fav quad exorcises?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Man...$40/month for BCAA mego dosing....I'd love to try it, but I hate being a poor college kid

    Do you think that for any reason a bit of this mass if from glycogen retention?

    I was surprised by that quick change in BW followed be a plateu for the last 2 weeks.

    BTW, your freggin quads look awesome...what are some of your fav quad exorcises?
    Leucine does increase glycogen synthase activity, so it is possible some weight is increased glycogen/water storage. It think the initial large increase after the first week was an increase in glycogen/water, which set the stage for further actual growth over the next 3 weeks. I definitely think BCAA are beneficial during all times, but even more so during cutting.

    As for the quads, heavy squats, what else
    I prefer squats in the 3-5 rep range and 20 rep sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    Leucine does increase glycogen synthase activity, so it is possible some weight is increased glycogen/water storage. It think the initial large increase after the first week was an increase in glycogen/water, which set the stage for further actual growth over the next 3 weeks. I definitely think BCAA are beneficial during all times, but even more so during cutting.
    Yeah, I figured...I'd be curious to see what would happen if this experiment were drug out for atleast another month. I'd love to see if the mass increases continue.
    As for the quads, heavy squats, what else
    I prefer squats in the 3-5 rep range and 20 rep sets.
    I should have guessed Do you take a relatively close stance?

    I'd been taking a sumo stance lately b/c of knee problems , and almost all of my development has been upper quads and hips. It sucks. LOL. Maybe if I just wrap really tight it will help.

    I've also been considering that 20 rep set. Everyone is having such great results!

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    Try wrapping your knees super tight, my buddy knox was having knee problems and started wrapping his knees and it helped the problem 100%. It is kinda weird at first because you cant feel your feet due to lack of blood flow but you get used to it. Sorry bout the hijack.

    Nice results Derek, I am definetly giving this a shot, especially considering my pct is 3 weeks away I am really dreading it lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Try wrapping your knees super tight, my buddy knox was having knee problems and started wrapping his knees and it helped the problem 100%. It is kinda weird at first because you cant feel your feet due to lack of blood flow but you get used to it. Sorry bout the hijack.

    Nice results Derek, I am definetly giving this a shot, especially considering my pct is 3 weeks away I am really dreading it lol.
    Thanks, I'll do that. My legs are lagging' b/c I wasn't working them out w/ my bad knees. I def. need to bring them up.

    Sorry 'bout the hijack Derek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Nice results Derek, I am definetly giving this a shot, especially considering my pct is 3 weeks away I am really dreading it lol.
    Yeah Nate, I had mentioned in a previous thread that mega-dosing BCAA should be very benficial during PCT. I you need/want any help setting up a dosing schedule, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Thanks, I'll do that. My legs are lagging' b/c I wasn't working them out w/ my bad knees. I def. need to bring them up.

    Sorry 'bout the hijack Derek
    Hijack away. It's good discussion, so it is fine by me.

    Luckily I've never had problems with my knees. I worked up to 495 X 3 reps on squats, then I backed down to 405 and am doing 3 sets of 5. I'll add 10 lbs. to the bar each week until I get back up to 495. As much as I like going heavy, using 500 pounds on squats is a lot of a workout weight.

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    That's some good weight there, do u wear knee wraps when u squat????

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    That's some good weight there, do u wear knee wraps when u squat????
    No I don't.

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    Good God. You are 21?

    Man, you got some hella genetics, huh? What does your pops look like?

    What are you current stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Good God. You are 21?

    Man, you got some hella genetics, huh? What does your pops look like?

    What are you current stats?
    I just read Derek somewhere commenting how he loves the genetics comments. While genetics are definitely a factor, this kid is super-loco-anal-meticulous when it comes to training, diet, etc. Without his learning and dedication he would look nothing like he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I just read Derek somewhere commenting how he loves the genetics comments. While genetics are definitely a factor, this kid is super-loco-anal-meticulous when it comes to training, diet, etc. Without his learning and dedication he would look nothing like he does.
    Bump that. That's what it takes above and beyond genetics.

    Genetics help, but they'll only get you so far.

    Derek, how long have you been busting your ass to look the way you do? Genetics comments are always nice, but sometimes they can be bothersome...like "do you ever stop and think I invest a lot of my life in this sport ant that has something to do with my appearance?"

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    Beo - I agree - meant no disrepct, but you just don't see kids at that age that look like that unless gear/PH's are involved and I thought I read he doesn't take them. At least that's my experience from what I've seen in my neck of the woods growing up.

    Derek - you have an excellent physique. One could only hope to look as lean and muscular.

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    Thanks for the compliments. I certainly didn't get my bodybuilding genetics from my dad, he is 6'1" and was skinny (pure ecto). Now he has the common beer gut and man-boobs, but super skinny arms and legs.

    I actually get my "beast" genetics from my mom's side of the family, which is shorter and thicker (meso-endo type).

    Ecto + Meso/Endo = Me

    I've been weight training since I was 15 and started to get serious when I turned 16. I became obsessed when I was 17 and now I am here.

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    You mind telling us your nutrition/supp routine?

    I see your workout routine above, is that your normal routine? How many sets per bodypart and reps per set?

    Oh about the experiment - you guys averaged 7 lean gained, 3 fat lost? What were the specific numbers for each of you? (If you have them.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Beo - I agree - meant no disrepct, but you just don't see kids at that age that look like that unless gear/PH's are involved and I thought I read he doesn't take them. At least that's my experience from what I've seen in my neck of the woods growing up.....
    Well, there are some ppl that grow well

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    You mind telling us your nutrition/supp routine?

    I see your workout routine above, is that your normal routine? How many sets per bodypart and reps per set?

    Oh about the experiment - you guys averaged 7 lean gained, 3 fat lost? What were the specific numbers for each of you? (If you have them.)
    Those were my numbers. I gained 7 pounds of lean mass while losing 3 pounds of fat over 4 weeks. I am attaching my basic diet and workout.

    Supp Schedule
    30 minutes Pre-Workout
    1 Serving NeuroStim plus 1 GXR

    15 minutes Pre-workout
    Shake as listed creatine (CreaForm), Diarginine-Malate (NitroCharge), 500 mg NAC

    Post Workout
    Shake as listed plus Creatine, 1 GXR, 500 mg NAC, and 1 serving NOxidant

    4 PM
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    Thanks. What is HSN driver?

    And are you sponsored by Scivation?

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    See what I mean about the meticulousness: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...achmentid=9257
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...achmentid=9258

    Of course, the ability to pay that much attention to detail could be genetic as well.

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    HSN Driver is a casein protein powder: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hsn/driver.html

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    Interesting workout routine. Any reason you do 2 chest exercises then 2 back exercises and then another 1-2 chest exercises. Is this just to allow your chest a solid rest before hitting it hard again?

    Also what are X pulldowns and beast laterals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks
    Interesting workout routine. Any reason you do 2 chest exercises then 2 back exercises and then another 1-2 chest exercises. Is this just to allow your chest a solid rest before hitting it hard again?

    Also what are X pulldowns and beast laterals?
    Actually I alternate between chest and back exercises. So I'll do a set on incline bench then a set of pull-ups, then go back to incline bench. I alternate between most antagonist muscle groups, which allows each muscle to rest more and saves time.

    Those are two of my secret exercises

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    So that table that you gave, is that your complete diet, it comes up to around 3000 cals so I am assuming so, just doesnt seem like much real food until you get to the middle of the day, I am guessing that is because you work out in the morning? Is that your maintenance diet? How tall are you and what do you weigh?

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    I think I know what the two secret exercises may be!!!!! One of them I think can be found in the last MD if what I think is right and I have a feeling Beast Laterals may be like something Mr. Charles Class uses....hehehe....am I right Derek!

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    Wow man you look good, i like the log detail also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    Actually I alternate between chest and back exercises. So I'll do a set on incline bench then a set of pull-ups, then go back to incline bench. I alternate between most antagonist muscle groups, which allows each muscle to rest more and saves time.

    Those are two of my secret exercises
    Are you taking any rest between each exercise. Or do you super set them and do chest then back w/out resting and then rest before the next super set.

    It just looks like a really long and high volume workout. Not sure if i could productively work through +20 sets during a single workout (but then i've never tried). Doing supersets would obviously help as they would be faster. How long does it normally take you to comlete a workout?

    What are your thoughts on training to failure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    So that table that you gave, is that your complete diet, it comes up to around 3000 cals so I am assuming so, just doesnt seem like much real food until you get to the middle of the day, I am guessing that is because you work out in the morning? Is that your maintenance diet? How tall are you and what do you weigh?
    Yes, this was around my maintenance cals. I put my cals at maintenance to really test what how doses of BCAA would do, as I would gain if my cals were higher with or without the BCAA.

    I workout in the morning, so I use shakes/whey surrounding my workout.

    I am 5'10" and 212 pounds right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
    I think I know what the two secret exercises may be!!!!! One of them I think can be found in the last MD if what I think is right and I have a feeling Beast Laterals may be like something Mr. Charles Class uses....hehehe....am I right Derek!
    I don't read MD and I have no clue what Charles Glass does, so I couldn't tell you.

    BTW, did you get my email?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks
    Are you taking any rest between each exercise. Or do you super set them and do chest then back w/out resting and then rest before the next super set.

    It just looks like a really long and high volume workout. Not sure if i could productively work through +20 sets during a single workout (but then i've never tried). Doing supersets would obviously help as they would be faster. How long does it normally take you to comlete a workout?

    What are your thoughts on training to failure?
    I should have metioned that I do not train to failure; I stop a rep or so shy of failure.

    I rest about 1-1.5 minutes between chest/back (Tris/bis, shoulders/traps, quads/calves) exercises when I am going for 3-5 reps and 1 minute when I am going for 6-10 reps.

    My workouts take about 70 minutes.

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