- 04-06-2005, 10:18 PM
- 04-06-2005, 11:29 PM
I liked it but It got banned in CA so I can't get it anymore. Well at least not from anywhere around here.
04-07-2005, 02:15 AM
04-07-2005, 02:42 AM
try phenibut 1-fast has just lowered his prices big-time. phenibut relaxes me after a rough night of work and i have been using it for a couple months now. it seems to help me sleep better and i am glad that it is cheaper now,
04-07-2005, 07:17 AM
I thought with Phenibut, tolerance goes up crazy after the first dose. If not, I guess I'd want to give it a try.
04-07-2005, 12:13 PM
tolerance does go up after 4-5 days so lets say you needed 2g initially then after a week or so you may need 4g for good effect. for me, tolerance leveled off at that point and i did not need to keep inc. dosages. w/ the price dec. and the anti-anxiety effects w/o the sedation (like benzos), phenibut works for me
04-12-2005, 05:33 AM
kava is good to pop a few if you are stressed. i think it definately chills you out and gives you a more happy feeling.. with this being said you have to have the mind frame to let it work for you. i don't think it will correct major stress, depression, anger issues,etc. This is from personal experience. I am generally a happy and upbeat person and in the past i'd pop a few before a particularly stressful day of work and it's done the trick. some people also take it to chill out before bed. It can be toxic to the liver at high doses I read somewhere. So i'd never take it frequently.
04-12-2005, 09:47 AM
yea it can be toxic to your liver, i work at vitamin world and it used to be in alot of metapausal stuff, but they reciently took it out because i guess some women were gettin crazy with it
04-17-2005, 06:03 PM
I'm new here, but I'll chime in.
I use kava regularly. It is legal in CA, though they are required to put a warning label on it, because of some liver damage suffered by users in Germany, and its subsequent bannination there.
The fact is, there have been no reports that I can find of liver damage from kava in the US; that the people who had issues in Germany were taking an extract of the bark and leaves (traditionally avoided in polynesia), not whole root; and the German extract is extremely high potency.
Polynesians have been using it for over 2000 years with the most serious issue being a scaly condition of the skin with chronic heavy usage that disappears with cessation of supplementation. Basically a non-problem.
I use www.kavaking.com for my Kava needs. Whole Foods carries it too. I just found out about a fijian market by my house that carries it for cheap, so I'll be checking that too.
For me, it is like having a couple beers without the negative effects. It relaxes me, and I get a great buzz off of it; if I use enough, about two *heaping* tablespoons, it can knock me for a serious loop, like "whoa, i can't walk straight, heh, heh!" it is a totally positive experience with zero drawbacks. I love it.
If you google it, you can find plenty about it...
Here is a decent link for general info:
04-17-2005, 11:00 PM
i just bought some from iamshaman, but this stuff tastes like dirt. does anyone know how to make it taste like im not drinking pure hell.
btw, my friends and i tried phenibut for the first time 2 nights ago, then we had about 12 beers. i recommend not using 4 g for your first ever dose. we started with 2.5, but didnt feel anything, so we did another 3/4 tsp, that stuff knocks you on the ground. i really felt it the next day, i could barely walk like 15 hours after i took it
04-18-2005, 02:24 PM
04-18-2005, 04:12 PM
I bought some Kava and Kanna (supposedly acts as a SSRI) gel caps from the iamshaman site and will be testing those out. I also got some Psychotropin, which has Phenibut. If I like it, I will just buy the bulk Phenibut powder and see if there is a big difference because its cheaper.
04-18-2005, 05:17 PM
Kava Lactones are barely soluable in water,if at all, the key to using it is to soak in cold water or juice, to mask the taste, and squeeze the shiite out of the root repeatedly through a cloth to extract these actives.
Iamshaman sells the kava from http://www.konakavafarm.com check their site for recipes/use instructions.
04-18-2005, 05:32 PM
Thumbs down for Kava.
Tried a couple different brands - all produced a similar effect: none.
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04-18-2005, 05:50 PM
Extract or whole powdered root?Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
There is no way the whole powdered root at a high enough dose wouldn't affect you.
The WPR is more effective than extracts.
04-18-2005, 06:21 PM
just 2 different extracts I believe
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04-18-2005, 06:45 PM
Well, try the www.kavaking.com . Extract doesn't do much for me either.
I can't find the link, but it takes double the kavalactones as extract to have the same effect as the powder. Plus, it takes about half the time to take effect.
04-18-2005, 07:43 PM
I tried the 84% kavalactone gels from konakava and didn't feel much at all at one or two caps, when i took 3 i went partially blind for a few hours and felt really disoriented, on the bottle is says "As the elders use to say, "if you drink too much kava root, you must walk backwards, so the ground does not come up to greet you"" im sure the stuff is good, guess some people are just immune to the good effects of it. Guess i'll try the regular powdered root next.
04-18-2005, 08:39 PM
I got a 2 tbs sample of Kava powder from iamshaman for free with a recent order. I heard dumping it into hot coacoa is a good way to take it. Also, I've read that caffeine with kava synergises very well. Perhaps I'll try it and report my results here.
04-18-2005, 10:20 PM
04-19-2005, 11:59 AM
I just bought 5 grams. What is the dosage with the paste, and how do you measure it? Any hangover the next morning? I'm in need of something to relax me and help me sleep. Thanks.Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
04-19-2005, 02:17 PM
Hey, try what you guys want, but realize that whole powdered root is much more effective and strong. Extract sounds nice, but does not pan out in reality. There are lots of active components which are filttered out in the extract.
04-19-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by poison
I'll keep that in mind, and I'll probably try the powdered root too. How is the taste of the flavored powdered root? I'm also getting this for my wife, who has very little tolerance for bitter/earthy/chemical tastes. That's one reason I went with the extract - I was assuming the dosage would be much smaller, and that I may even be able to cap it for her.
04-19-2005, 03:25 PM
04-19-2005, 03:49 PM
It tastes like ass, a nasty, somewhat spicy, gritty substance. It puts your tongue to sleep for around 5 minutes.
I've found that mixing it with a Jamba-like shake or smoothie makes it very tolerable, almost tasty, but that also diminishes the effects somewhat (but I like it to knock me on my ass, not just relax ).
04-19-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by intv
Use a scale if you can. Otherwise just divide it up into 5 equal slices and consume 1 of them or maybe half of one. I found it works better if you mix it in some hot tea. The taste is bitter, with a numbing effect in your mouth. I always consumed a gram at a time and felt very sedated. There is a slight hangover the next day.
Also, just to warn you, this stuff will come in a zip lock baggie. It sticks and is almost wet. Scrape it all off and put in a bowl with a lid. Otherwise it becomes very hard to get it all off the baggie after some time has passed.
04-19-2005, 05:20 PM
This extract keeps everything else that is in Kava root, in their product.Originally Posted by poison
" Kava Extract 84% Kavalactone Paste Super-Concentrate
This very special golden paste is simply the most powerfully concentrated and purest kava kava extract available anywhere. Standardized to nearly 85% kavalactone content, this product is well OVER 10 TIMES the concentration of plain kava root, while containing the same broad range of kavalactones as is found in the fresh, whole, unprocessed kava kava root itself"
04-19-2005, 06:33 PM
Hmm, I still don't buy it. There are probably active components to kava besides kavalactones.
also, if you clicked the links I provided above, you'll see that the problems people had in Europe with liver failure were due to kavalactone extract being taken from the stems and leaves, not the root. The stems and leaves are discarded by native kava drinkers in Polynesia/micronesia because they know they are harmful. The European kava dealers couldn't buy enough root to keep up with demand starting in 2000, the leaves and stems discarded by natives were cheaper, and the consumer paid the price....
So I would beware of kava extracts in general and be sure they are only from the roots.
04-20-2005, 11:29 AM
Cool, thanks for the info. I'll report back after it gets here and we try it out.
Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
04-20-2005, 10:36 PM
Ok, so I got my Kanna, Kava, and Psychotropin in.
In the morning I was going to go out to the library and ended up stopping by the mall to pick up some stuff. I took a 350mg capsule of Kanna about 30 minutes or so before I left. Right before I got in my car, I seriously could not smiling. It was so strange, like it was a constant state of smiling and if I wanted to not smile, I had to try hard not to. Then it got even crazier, I started laughing. Nothing was funny at all but I started cracking up for no reason. It was really strange. When I got to the bookstore I was afraid to be there cause I was smiling so damn much lol and trying not to laugh. That was the only effect I got from it and it ended very soon, like 30 min max. I got home like a couple hours later and popped another 350mg. I don't remember it doing much like the first one.
Ok so a few hours passed and I'm thinking this Kanna stuff is done. I popped in 4 capsules of Psychotropin and then took a 2 hour nap. When I woke up, my brain felt funny, like kinda a different "state" over it. Like my mind felt a bit "thick". I seemed very relaxed. My parents were harassing me about stupid crap and I felt pretty calm and didn't really want to talk all that much. I could definitely feel something.
So now like at 9:15pm, I popped in 2 capsules of Kava (700mg, 30% Kavalactones). Its only 9:34 and I do not feel much of anything yet. I will post up later.
Yeah it was probably stupid to take them all in the same day and I'm sure I won't be able to fairly judge them all yet, but hey I was happy when my box came in and just had to try it all lol. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I'm sure I will feel some stuff tomorrow morning (from what I read on erowid). Can't decide yet which one I want to take tomorrow before class, but probably leaning on the Kanna at this point.
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