- 04-19-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by intv
Use a scale if you can. Otherwise just divide it up into 5 equal slices and consume 1 of them or maybe half of one. I found it works better if you mix it in some hot tea. The taste is bitter, with a numbing effect in your mouth. I always consumed a gram at a time and felt very sedated. There is a slight hangover the next day.
Also, just to warn you, this stuff will come in a zip lock baggie. It sticks and is almost wet. Scrape it all off and put in a bowl with a lid. Otherwise it becomes very hard to get it all off the baggie after some time has passed.
- 04-19-2005, 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by poison
" Kava Extract 84% Kavalactone Paste Super-Concentrate
This very special golden paste is simply the most powerfully concentrated and purest kava kava extract available anywhere. Standardized to nearly 85% kavalactone content, this product is well OVER 10 TIMES the concentration of plain kava root, while containing the same broad range of kavalactones as is found in the fresh, whole, unprocessed kava kava root itself"
04-19-2005, 06:33 PM
Hmm, I still don't buy it. There are probably active components to kava besides kavalactones.
also, if you clicked the links I provided above, you'll see that the problems people had in Europe with liver failure were due to kavalactone extract being taken from the stems and leaves, not the root. The stems and leaves are discarded by native kava drinkers in Polynesia/micronesia because they know they are harmful. The European kava dealers couldn't buy enough root to keep up with demand starting in 2000, the leaves and stems discarded by natives were cheaper, and the consumer paid the price....
So I would beware of kava extracts in general and be sure they are only from the roots.
04-20-2005, 11:29 AM
Cool, thanks for the info. I'll report back after it gets here and we try it out.
Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
04-20-2005, 10:36 PM
Ok, so I got my Kanna, Kava, and Psychotropin in.
In the morning I was going to go out to the library and ended up stopping by the mall to pick up some stuff. I took a 350mg capsule of Kanna about 30 minutes or so before I left. Right before I got in my car, I seriously could not smiling. It was so strange, like it was a constant state of smiling and if I wanted to not smile, I had to try hard not to. Then it got even crazier, I started laughing. Nothing was funny at all but I started cracking up for no reason. It was really strange. When I got to the bookstore I was afraid to be there cause I was smiling so damn much lol and trying not to laugh. That was the only effect I got from it and it ended very soon, like 30 min max. I got home like a couple hours later and popped another 350mg. I don't remember it doing much like the first one.
Ok so a few hours passed and I'm thinking this Kanna stuff is done. I popped in 4 capsules of Psychotropin and then took a 2 hour nap. When I woke up, my brain felt funny, like kinda a different "state" over it. Like my mind felt a bit "thick". I seemed very relaxed. My parents were harassing me about stupid crap and I felt pretty calm and didn't really want to talk all that much. I could definitely feel something.
So now like at 9:15pm, I popped in 2 capsules of Kava (700mg, 30% Kavalactones). Its only 9:34 and I do not feel much of anything yet. I will post up later.
Yeah it was probably stupid to take them all in the same day and I'm sure I won't be able to fairly judge them all yet, but hey I was happy when my box came in and just had to try it all lol. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I'm sure I will feel some stuff tomorrow morning (from what I read on erowid). Can't decide yet which one I want to take tomorrow before class, but probably leaning on the Kanna at this point.
04-21-2005, 07:14 PM
Kanna is the ****. Totally kills anxiety at 700mg (2-350's). My head feels borderline on headache, but not in a bad way. Like a cool feeling, and when I relax my head (brain), it feels good. Only side effect I am noticing is dry mouth and I'm really thirsty too. Took this stuff at 4:00, felt effects 15-20min later, its 6pm now, still feeling the light but very noticible buzz.
04-22-2005, 12:47 PM
I stopped by the Fiji Market in my area yesterday. Hmm, I wonder why i would do that???
Lo and behold, guess what they had there: kavakava, of course! The lady asked me if I want the srong one or the mild one. I did the right thing. She said it was imported from Fiji, and gave me some tips on preparation.
She also invited me to go in the back 'where there were some people drinking kava'. I declined, thinking that maybe they were preparing it the traditional way, by having a bunch of old ladies sit around, chew it, and spit the juice into a bowl, then passing the bowl around. Hell, no.
But I took it home and had some. I'd say it was double the strength of the KavaKing stuff I usually buy, but at $20lb it was less than half price.
05-04-2005, 04:46 PM
Do NOT order from ethnobotanicals.com
I placed my order with Pure Land Ethnobotanicals on April 19th. I have yet to receive my order or delivery confirmation from them. My CC was charged on April 21st. I sent them a polite email April 28th inquiring about the status of my order and have not heard back. I sent them another email yesterday, still no reply. Their toll free order line is no longer in service.Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
13 complaints with the WI BBB online in the past 36 months: http://www.wisconsin.bbb.org/commonr...l?b****25000920
I know Sir Foxx isn't affiliated, I just quoted him so that people would know not to use that link.
05-04-2005, 07:15 PM
05-04-2005, 07:17 PM
Interesting...I took 350 mg and didn't feel a thing..maybe i should try doubling it. I was about to throw it out, lol.
Originally Posted by darius
05-04-2005, 08:28 PM
I have noticed something strange with Kava. For me to get any effect, I have to chew the pills or open them up in my mouth. I don't feel anything when I swallow them.. but when I chew them, holy crap, makes me feel so good. I feel like meditating (I never meditate) or just relaxing. Can definitely feel them working. Plus when you chew them it makes your tongue numb .
05-04-2005, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the heads up. The only problem I had with them was that they were out of stock for good amount of time after I placed my order. They always answered my emails and offered my money back, but I just waited until they got some new stuff in. Sorry about your situation. I guess this company gets scratched off my list.Originally Posted by intv
05-04-2005, 10:40 PM
FWIW I called and left a message on the phone number listed on my CC bill, and about 30 minutes later had an email in my inbox stating only, "it's in the mail, thanks." I waited for a few days before worrying, since I know I've been spoiled by the board sponsors and 1fast, and I know everyone operates on their on time frame. I really wouldn't have minded if he would have just replied to my email sooner. Hopefully I'll still get it in this week and it'll be good stuff.Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
05-05-2005, 12:47 PM
05-05-2005, 03:33 PM
make no mistake - I won't be ordering from ethnobotanicals again. if I find that I like kava period, I'll try some from kava king.Originally Posted by poison
05-05-2005, 03:46 PM
No dude, the absolute best place to buy Kava is www.iamshaman.com. That place amazing customer service, and ships very very fast. I have ordered twice from them very recently, and will keep continuing to do so. My last order was over $30, so I chose the extra free Kava out of a few options.
On a side note. Just mixed my free sample baggie up with a small cup of orange juice like 2 min ago and downed it. Already feel something starting to happen up in my brain. It tasted like how fresh mud smells after a rain shower. Not bad or gagging, but too earthy.
05-05-2005, 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by poison
Until you've tried it, your opinion is worthless on this. Not defending Ethnobotanticals customer service, but their product is topnotch. I'm sure your Kava is good, but so is this stuff.
05-05-2005, 06:26 PM
Maybe, if you can get it. Plus, Ethnobotanicals is extract, right?
Fact: whole root > extract
I've never tried THEIR extract, but I've had high quality extracts before, and they don't compare to the whole root.
Sorry, I luvs me the kava! Anyway, I hope someone here tries it and gives some feedback besides mine...
05-05-2005, 09:20 PM
Yeah the extract is crappy. I got the iamshaman.com's 84% extract gel caps and swallowed 4 and it did nothing (directions are to take 2), so I put 4 in my mouth and started to chew.. they tasted horrible.. alot worse than just kava root, which isn't too bad, just bitter.
I shouldn't have taken Kava today because I had a cold coming on. I think the cold and Kava jacked me up.. I got a nasty headache at work, but 2 extra strength tylennol's fixed it pretty fast. I drank the sample size which is probably like a teaspoon or something with OJ and it made me feel funny.
So far my best experience with Kava has been opening up the 30% capsules in my mouth, letting it sit under my tongue for about 60 sec, while swallowing the saliva, then downing it all. I feel super relaxed and every part of my body is relaxed. Almost to the point of a mild tingle here and there. Like you can just "rest" your brain and it feels damn good.
05-06-2005, 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
I Got the kava in this afternoon. Tonight, on an empty stomach, I took roughly .5gm of the paste stuffed inside a gelcap (filled 1/2 of gelcap). I remembered reading that people had taken lecithin with kava, so I took 2 gms of lecithin and 2 gms of fish oil with the kava.
I started feeling the effects in about 30 minutes, with full effects kicking in around an hour. Very relaxing and euphoric. I'm also feeling more social. It's exactly what I was looking for - a good substitute for 3 or 4 drinks. It actually surpassed my expectations some; the relaxation/anti-anxiety doesn't surprise me, but the pleasant euphoric feelings took me off guard. I'm very happy with the kava, now I just need to find a better supplier than ethnobotanicals.
05-06-2005, 11:30 PM
05-06-2005, 11:59 PM
Intv - did you chew the cap of Kava? Someone previously said helped...I've taken 350 mg and haven't felt a thing.
Originally Posted by intv
05-07-2005, 11:11 AM
Yeah, I checked them out, great prices, and you said they had great CS, so I'll probably try them next time.Originally Posted by darius
Well, the extract is a sticky, pungent paste in a baggy. I capped it so that I could just swallow it. I did taste it though, earthy, but not bad. The numbness is pretty powerful. This was about 500mg, and if extract in general isn't supposed to be good, this stuff is an exception. Where did you get your kava, Elizzard?Originally Posted by Elizzard
05-07-2005, 11:34 AM
05-07-2005, 11:56 AM
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