best non-hormonal supp/product you have ever used?

[OmarJackson]

what is the best non-hormonal supplement you guys have ever used?

for me it has to be plain bulk CEE the first ever time i used it, its effects have diminished each time i have used it after the first, even when cycling off for periods of time. But that first time... oh boy. it rocked.

i'm kind of looking into getting crea-ethyl-thunder, see if that is even better than CEE by itself.

[TheTom]

Citrulline Malate and Alcar each @ 5grams a day, will drastically increase most lifters physical+mental performance.

Definitely blew me away.

[Aeternitatis]

X-Factor hands down.

[wojo]

kre-alkalyn..regular cm never worked for me..just a tip if u gonna run alcar that high use some antioxidants..as alcar can become pro-free radical..its in the monster anarchy stack thread..i posted it

[OmarJackson]

X-Factor hands down.

I'm unfamiliar with this product.

could you elaborate some on this. for what purpose you used it, gains, any sides, etc.

or do you have a log somewhere?

[chasec]

ergopharm AMP

[Beowulf]

BCAAs w/ Citruline Malate

Saves the muscle and maintains energy while cutting.

I'm about to find out what it does when bulking.

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I have to agree with the CEE but the others sound interesting.

[jaymode]

CreEthyl Thunder, I was amazed at how much strength I gained in such a short period of time.

[Beast]

BCAAs w/ Citruline Malate

I'm about to find out what it does when bulking.

BCAA + Citrulline + Creatine is an awesome stack. Really all you need performance/growth wise.

[OmarJackson]

BCAA + Citrulline + Creatine is an awesome stack. Really all you need performance/growth wise.

cool. mind sharing the dosing/timing protocol.

i assume all three pre-workout, standard dosages. and the BCAA's several times a day at 10-20g or so?

[Beast]

cool. mind sharing the dosing/timing protocol.

i assume all three pre-workout, standard dosages. and the BCAA's several times a day at 10-20g or so?

Depending on when you workout:
Breakfast: 5+ grams BCAA + 2.5 grams creatine*#
Pre-Workout: 10-15 grams BCAA + 2.5 grams creatine* + 3 grams Citrulline Malate
Post-Workout: 10-15 grams BCAA + 2.5 grams creatine* + 3 grams Citrulline Malate
Bedtime: 5+ grams BCAA + 2.5 grams creatine*#


Xtend already has Citrulline Malate in it, so if you use that, I would do:
Breakfast: 2 Scoops (7 grams BCAA + 1 gram CM) + 2.5 grams creatine*#
Pre-Workout: 3 Scoops (10.5 grams BCAA + 1.5 grams CM) + 2.5 grams creatine*
Post-Workout: 3 Scoops (10.5 grams BCAA + 1.5 grams CM) + 2.5 grams creatine*
Bedtime: 2 Scoops (7 grams BCAA + 1 gram CM) + 2.5 grams creatine*#

So you would be taking 5 total servings of Xtend (35 grams BCAA and 5 grams Citulline Malate)

*Creatine monohydrate dosing
#Optional

[Odessa14]

Derek...
Are you not a fan of CEE? Also, have you ever heard anything negative about taking Creatine and BCAAs at the same time?

Thanks

[Beast]

Derek...
Are you not a fan of CEE? Also, have you ever heard anything negative about taking Creatine and BCAAs at the same time?

Thanks

There should be no negative effect taking BCAA and creatine at the same time.

I've tried CEE on two occasions. The first time I used VPX's CEX and I didn't notice anything. The second time I used ALRI's CEE caps and was making great strength gains. I am going to start using CEE next week (ALRI's CEE) so I can elaborate more then. As of right now though, I do no think CEE is worth the extra cost over creatine monohydrate.

[Odessa14]

Sounds good...I like your plan detailed here....I want to give it a run, I'll start stocking up...

Since Im loaded with CEE right now, I'll most likely be using it. The only alteration I will prob make will be changing the CM dose from 3 Pre and 3 Post to just 6 pre. I like how you have the creatine split up throughout the day. I will look into BCAAs and see if I can even afford adding those into my monthly supplement stockups...

O14

[Nate Dawg]

Derek, I remember in a different thread where you were talking about you and some of your friends experimenting with mega-dosing BCAA's, something like 40-50g/day if I remember correctly? What did you think of this dosing scheme, does it justify the extra cost when compared to the gains? What kind of gains did you experience when trying this?

[LCSULLA]

Adipokentix.

[Beast]

Derek, I remember in a different thread where you were talking about you and some of your friends experimenting with mega-dosing BCAA's, something like 40-50g/day if I remember correctly? What did you think of this dosing scheme, does it justify the extra cost when compared to the gains? What kind of gains did you experience when trying this?

I feel for the gains and improvement in recovery I am seeing, high dosing BCAA is worth it. I think 30 grams/day would be a more economical way to use them while still reaping the benefits (Breakfast, pre/post workout, and bedtime). Getting BCAA around your workout is the most important thing, so even if you just did 10 grams pre and post workout it would be very beneficial.

I also think high doses of BCAA would be great for PCT as it should keep you anabolic/anti-catabolic while you are regaining you natural test production. I am scared to think of what a SD + BCAA cycle might do. I'm sure there is a ceiling effect as to how much BCAA can boost protein synthesis, but then if you stack it with an androgen, I'm guessing you would experience a synergistic effect.

[Beowulf]

I am scared to think of what a SD + BCAA cycle might do. I'm sure there is a ceiling effect as to how much BCAA can boost protein synthesis, but then if you stack it with an androgen, I'm guessing you would experience a synergistic effect.

Speak of the : March 21st: Bring on the Superdrol

I just happen to be on that cycle right now. Up 9.6 lbs i less than 2 weeks. Of course the gains aren't pure muscle, but it is going well nonetheless. I will definitely continue to use them during PCT, and I plan to make BCAAs a staple of my program from now on. They worked great for preserving lbm while doing a few UD 2.0 cycles.

I've been taking the full dose right around before during and after my workout 10g/20g during and 5g in my protein shake after. I guess I should spread it out some more, or at least add it at breakfast and bedtime.

[Iron Warrior]

EC stack