"The Arginine Scam"

[Bull6125]

Hey guys, well the format impressed me. Your thoughts and concerns?

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

[jmh80]

Bump for any input from Bobo. He'd mentioned the arginine/lysine combo is great for GH secretion, yet they mention at least arg isn't so effective.

[T-Bone]

Hey guys, well the format impressed me. Your thoughts and concerns?

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

T-nation?. Are you kidding me?

[UNDERTAKER]

is T-nation a junky site?

[CDB]

is T-nation a junky site?

To put it mildly, yes.

[Bull6125]

HaHa...exactly the response I expected. Good stuff guys. There's all kinds of great stuff on the red site of doom, like results with .3 grams of creatine monohydrate....and yes that is a decimal before the three.

[WhutEvr]

Hey guys, well the format impressed me. Your thoughts and concerns?

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

Idiot science????
T-Nation has to be the worst site out there.

[Jblake]

I wouldn't say the worst site out there. That's a bit much. There's some good information to be gleaned from there. I'd put it a step above mags like muscle and fitness.

[WhutEvr]

I dunno... it's a lot like M&F without all the muscletech ads.

[jhferry]

I dunno... it's a lot like M&F without all the muscletech ads.

I do think there training programs are worth a look. There supplements tho aside from Mag10 and grow protein are all garbage.

[UNDERTAKER]

so far I do think argnine products are bull****

[WhutEvr]

so far I do think argnine products are bull****

I've been using them for over 9 months, and they do work.
But like all supplements, not everything works for everybody.

[UNDERTAKER]

nothing but placebo effect if you ask me

[WhutEvr]

nothing but placebo effect if you ask me

I feel the same way about creatine.
Doesn't do a thing for me, in any form.

[CDB]

All substances have nonresponders. It's just the way it is. As for arginine, in conunction with lysine it seems to raise GH, though nothing that'll help build muscle. According to Bobo, who I trust, it's good for metabolizing fat over the long term. The pumps most get from arginine are a good mental boost. As to whether the excess blood in the area actually helps build more muscle, that's debatable. I've only seen one study that actually seemed to show the increased blood flow translating into greater amino delivery to the muscle cells.

One thing I'm interested in is a study posted on Haycock's HST site showing creatine increasing the activity of myogenic stem cells surrounding the muscle cells. Trying to look that up on Pub Med to study it further. Not much time though.

[Jay Mc]

I feel the same way about creatine.
Doesn't do a thing for me, in any form.

except creatine is backed by tons of clinical support while arginine isnt

[Renton405]

AAKG and creatine definatly give me fuller muscles and better pumps...Im a believer in how well a muscle pumps is in conjunction to how well it grows...I would always lose muscle and get a flat look when my pumps went downhill...

[swoosh]

Im a firm believer in arginine being a mental thing. If it did increase NO which in turn increases blood vessel size, then there would be a lot of guys with hard ons in the gym.

[not_big_enuf]

so that's why no one comes near me in the gym...

Im a firm believer in arginine being a mental thing. If it did increase NO which in turn increases blood vessel size, then there would be a lot of guys with hard ons in the gym.