My first 10 days on Ecdysterone - Long log/review
- 04-14-2005, 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by CDB
trying to put together a non-hormonal anabolic stack for my upcoming "down time".....activate, cissus, , methoxy...any other ideas?
- 04-14-2005, 06:52 PM
same old, I think he was saying this combination was working so well he was doubting if his anavar wasn't really drol. I'd include cee in that stack, I love the stuff. Might want to get caps instead of the powder because it tastes HORRIBLE.
04-14-2005, 07:42 PM
oh, i misunderstood him....i thinkOriginally Posted by Jblake
20mg of drol is a woman's dose, so i doubt that is doing anything too outrageous.
04-14-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes the combo.first two month on gh solely,then addedand realized these improvementes10days later I added Var for quicker recovery after hard weeks of competing and liked it very much.
04-14-2005, 08:11 PM
Update. I have been off of ecdysterone for like a week now and every workout since being off has made me more fatigued than before. I would say that the ecdy definitely improved my vo2 max...made me feel like i was in better cardiovascular condition during all my lifts.
I have been on SD ever since getting off of the ecdy so i don't know if this would have anything to do with it. I doubt it since most have reported more endurance on superdrol.
I am starting to appreciate ecdysterone more now and i can really see how stacking it with almost anything else would make for a great combo. I wish it was a bit cheaper, but i suppose $17.20 for a month worth isnt too bad.
04-14-2005, 11:34 PM
04-15-2005, 06:23 PM
scifit's ecdysterone 300 seems to have the highest amount, but i personally dont trust that company, especially with something as...let's say...indeterminate as ecdy. it's $1.38/g
bug juice is $1.33/g if you buy 3 bottles from supervita
1fast would be $.83/g but it's only 50% so double that, plus you have to cap it - makes it less than a bargain.
i'm still looking for a serious bulk supplier because i wanna run this **** HIGH dose to say once and for all if it works (or at least, if the stuff *I* use works)...i'm running the same "experiment" with cissus and looking forward to it.
if anybody knows a good bulk herbal joint that sells ecdy i am all ears...or, eyes, as the case may be
04-16-2005, 06:10 AM
Same old I´ve to disagree 20mg Var/day is not a womens dose.A womens dose would be more like 5-7.5mg max. 10mg/day of var if she doesn´t want to get she-man
04-16-2005, 02:28 PM
I think Beyond a Century is the cheapest I've seen so far. As for what else to add to that nonhormonal anabolic stack, I didn't see any creatine listed. Probably because it's a given, but if you left that out by accident, throw it in. Depending on the money available, I may buy a few orders of Ecdysterone from BaC, and run it at around 5 grams a day. Just to finally see if it really works in high doses, like you want to do.Originally Posted by same_old
03-06-2006, 12:46 PM
With all the talk of ecdysterone lately I figured I would bump this so people could see the results I got. I ordered my stuff from BAC and it worked very well. I am thinking about doing another cycle of it this spring/summer.
03-06-2006, 01:46 PM
I had decent results with BN's powder but I prefer BAC's quality on most things.
Maybe Custom would consider carrying this?
03-06-2006, 02:40 PM
04-24-2006, 10:13 PM
hello everyone , im new here, but i got a lot of info on making your own strength ecdysterone, if anyone is interested, you can actually purchase the seeds of maral root and grow your own leuzea carthomoides, then when you harvest it you extract it by boiling it in water , and letting the water evaporate till youre left with a thick liquid, now thats blow ur body up strength ecdysterone for u, the russians have being doing this for years, with rhaponticum carthomoides, a russian study showed that the extract from leuzea carthomoides, contained ten different adaptogens and ecdysterones, not just beta ecdysterone, and when all extracted together and consumed as a whole prodduced a whole lot better results than beta ecdysterone alone , so there u have it, just buy the seeds plant them nurture them as i know u will, they take 1-3 years to grow fully, thats the only draw back, but hey , you plant a field full of this stuff in 3 yrs ur gonna be rich as well as super big and strong, ive already planted mine, each plant will yield 3 kgs of pure ecdysterone, hope i helped . cheers mark
04-25-2006, 11:24 AM
Wow that's crazy...have you guys seen produxt x from legal gear?? I'm using it for pct among others I think it works well..
04-25-2006, 12:12 PM
I gave up growing my own 'supplements' a long time ago, don't think I'm gonna start again. Though it was fun and I'm sure I still have the sodium lights and the hydroponic setup somewhere around.
Also it's a bad idea to inject this stuff. There's apparently a lot of filler in these powders and if injected that can find its way to the lungs and other organs where it collects and leads to a fairly painful death. People who grind up pills to inject have that problem too.
04-25-2006, 12:35 PM
Curious as to how you are going to measure the dose? Also do you have a lab to test the quality of the Ecdy and to know that your actually getting just Ecdy?Originally Posted by websur4er
04-25-2006, 12:41 PM
Never give up bro...Never give up, never surrender!I gave up growing my own 'supplements' a long time ago, don't think I'm gonna start again. Though it was fun and I'm sure I still have the sodium lights and the hydroponic setup somewhere around.
As for the possibility of a transdermal - Ecdysterone has a molecular weight of ~480, a compound that works well in a transdermal matrix generally needs to be below 400 daltons. Ive read of different methods to get a heavier molecule to penetrate the skin (ultrasound, etc) - but it would seem like quite a hassle for something that doesnt seem to have much promise.
04-26-2006, 09:21 PM
i am busy talking to a lecturer at my local university, who seems very interested in my idea of extracting the ecdy, note that its not beta 20 ecdy alone , theres 10 different ecdysterones in leuzea, that have a greater effect when extracted all together, i spoke to the lecturer, and he said he has studied this topic , but it warrants further investigation in making a powerful enough formula, one idea is to combine, a myostatin inhibitor, tongkat ali,and an estrogen blocker to enhance its strength, he told me straight out, no ****, theres nothing stronger or better than steroids and that ecdysterones have the potential to rank alongside them even maybe replacing them if it can be made powerful enough by adding to it, ill keep u posted when i know more, im just a novice myself mate, trying to achieve my goals in life, without being ripped right off, u will notice a sudden increase in herbal shops the last 2 yrs and they r taking the p**s, when it comes to prices, nature intended for us to have all this at no cost, so hopefully i can come up with something that will cost u nothing more than a little of your time, cheers mark.Originally Posted by Grassroots082
05-13-2006, 04:41 PM
Im gutted I badly wana get some Ecdysterone and stack it with methoxyisoflavone and BAC is by far the cheapest site i can find but it dosnt ship to the UK. Anyone know any good sites that do?
05-14-2006, 03:55 PM
its all about Turkestone.....its the most anabolic of all these ecdysteroids.....finding a real source now is quite the challenge...and its pricey....but from the U.S.S.R literature i have been reading they praise this stuff like no other
05-21-2006, 12:13 AM
Here's a picture of 20-hydroxyecdysterone. As Vrunda said, it's a little over 480 amu. Most transdermal PH's are only about 300. That little tail on the pentane ring doesn't look too promising either for TD.
Anyhow, here's a picture of Turkesterone, just to give you guys an idea of how similar 20-hydroxy and turkesterone really are. The only difference I can see is a hydroxyl group on the left hexane ring. I don't know too much about ecdysterone's metabolic reactions, so I can't say how much of a difference the OH is going to make.
Lastly, here's Rubrosterone. This one is one of the ecdysteroids found in Product-X by legal gear. I calculated it's MW at about 330 amu. As you can see, it not only lost it's tail, but has a much lower MW. This particular ecdysteroid could hold some promise as far as delivery through the skin, but I don't know how important that cholesterol tail is to the effectiveness of these compounds.
Also, what about using DHB or bioprine to enhance oral absoption?
05-21-2006, 12:19 AM
Turkesterone is the most anabolic of all the Ecdysteroids....i heard u gotta dose it at a minnimun if a 100mg a day to see its effects..to find that **** in its pure form is hard as hell dude
05-21-2006, 12:56 AM
Maybe someone should put out a product. Could it be esterified, maybe a long ester pain free oral would be cool, especially if it's as safe as regular ecdy. How awesome would that be to have one shot a week that you never had to come off of. I know I'm probly be dreaming but it would still be cool.
05-21-2006, 01:05 AM
[Effect of phytoecdysteroids and nerobol on parameters of carbohydrate and lipid metabolism and phospholipid spectrum of liver mitochondrial membrane in experimental diabetes mellitus of rats]
[Article in Russian]
Syrov VN, Tashmukhamedova MA, Khushbaktova ZA, Mirtalipov DT, Mamatkhanov AU.
Phytoecdysteroids: ecdysterone and turkesterone, introduced orally to male rats with the body mass 180-120 g in a dose of 5 mg/l kg of mass and nerobol in a dose of 10 mg per 1 kg of the mass for 15 days against a background of the developed alloxan diabetes cause a considerable decrease in the content of free fatty acids of the blood serum, sharply increased after the subcutaneous injection of alloxan to the animals (150 mg per 1 kg of the mass). The content of glycogen, malonic dialdehyde, pyruvic acid and calcium transporting function of the liver mitochondria are also normalized. These changes are closely interrelated (and may be mutually conditioned) with the preparation-induced reduction of phospholipid spectrum of the liver mitochondrial membranes pathologically changed owing to insulin insufficiency. In this case phytoecdysteroids in the first turn normalize the fractions of phospholipids which play the structural role in the mitochondrial membranes, and nerobol normalizes the level of minor and monoacylic phospholipids.
[The results of experimental study of phytoecdysteroids as erythropoiesis stimulators in laboratory animals]
[Article in Russian]
Syrov VN, Nasyrova SS, Khushbaktova ZA.
Phytoecdysteroids alpha-ecdysone, 2-desoxyecdysterone, ecdysterone, sileneoside A, and turkesterone isolated from Rhaponticum carthamoides (Willd.) IIjin, Silene brahuica Boiss and Ajuga turkestanica (Rgl.) Repeated administration of brig increased the content of erythrocytes and hemoglobin in the blood of intact rats. The most active of them--ecdysterone, sileneoside A, and, particularly turkesterone, cause also a marked effect on red blood regeneration in hemotoxic phenylhydrazine anemia. In its capacity for simulating erythropoiesis turkesterone resembles the well-known steroidal anabolic drug nerobol.
[Experimental study of pharmacotherapeutic effect of phytoecdisteroids and nerobol in toxic liver damage]
[Article in Russian]
Syrov VN, Khushbaktova ZA.
Institute of the Chemistry of Plant Substances, Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Uzbekistan, ul. Kh. Abdulaeva 77, Tashkent, 700170 Uzbekistan.
Phytoecdysteroids ecdysteron and turkesteron isolated from Ajuga turkestanica (Rgl.) Brig. decrease the manifestations of uremic intoxication in rats with experimental renal pathology induced by a nephrotoxic mixture (containing uranyl acetate and glycerol). Injected in a dose of 5 mg/kg, the drugs restore glomerular filtration level, favor the disappearance of the albuminuria and normalize urinary sediments. The nephroprotector effect of the phytoecdysteroids studied resembles the action of a steroidal anabolic drug nerobol.
[An experimental study of the hepatoprotective properties of phytoecdysteroids and nerobol in carbon tetrachloride-induced liver lesion]
[Article in Russian]
Syrov VN, Khushbaktova ZA, Nabiev AN.
The phytoecdisteroids ecdisterone, turkesterone and cyasterone were administered in a dose of 5 mg/kg per os to rats with hepatitis induced by subcutaneous injections of CCl4. Similarly to the anabolic drug nerobol (10 mg/kg), the above agents not only interfere with the manifestation of the hepatic action of CCl4 (in this case the effect of the phytoecdisteroids is more remarkable) but also favour a more rapid normalization, as compared to the control, of functional and metabolic disorders in the liver. The phytoecdisteroids and nerobol noticeably stimulate the recovery of bile secretion, the synthesis of bilirubin and bile acids, cholesterol excretion.
05-21-2006, 03:35 PM
I normally do not "plug" anyone other than board sponsors - but BAC is a really good company, for those things not offered by board sponsors.Originally Posted by CDB
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