nolinenowait
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whats the better overall product
vns jacked vs no explode
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wastedwhiteboy2
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I have not used the jacked. no explode is expensive. I like the results except I cant take it for my night workout because it keeps me awake all night.
Iron Warrior
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I thought the whole point of proprietary blends was to hide your formula from competitors but I believe anything over 200 mgofcaffeine per serving isnot allowed. Either way,Iwould rather buy the key ingredients in a powder form and homebrew my own custom formula for a better pricekwantam said:
kwantam
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Iron Warrior said:
I was just going off of what I recalled from glancing at the label yesterday. I'm pretty sure the exact amount of caffeine isn't the part of the whole thing that's their "trade secret," plus the word "patent" is on there so many times they've probably disclosed most of it to the USPTO (and thus the public) already.
Agreed about buying in bulk and self-mixing. The only thing NO-Xplode has going for it over my homebrew is its flavoring. Of course, with 9g carbs/scoop, I can't have it anyway on a CKD. Plus, my homebrew is more like a cross between NO-Xplode and the Anarchy stack, so I like it better anyway (yay ALCAR!).
-kwantam
FunkMasterFlex
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I am liking NO-explode. For 32 bucks i cant complain for its convience atleast. I would like to know for of the values atleast, but i use it stacked with Alcar, Tauring, Alpha=GPC, Carnosine, and extra vinpo. Also Lecithin and other dietary fats. I am amped up all morning and afternoon and i usually need some caffiene or Eph-Hcl to keep it going to dinner. Overall i am happy with it.
cable626
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not for nothing, I respond very well to any kind of creatine, but SAN V12 wasn't doing **** for me. I exchanged that for some NO-Xplode and OMG this product is one of the best sups i've ever used.
I don't know about how much caffeine it has in it, but my workouts are usually in the morning so I don't mind.
I don't know about how much caffeine it has in it, but my workouts are usually in the morning so I don't mind.
g4ud1n
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I doubt it, caffeine and ephredine don't have cell volumizing effects.... maybe as far as energy (obviously it would be more) and some mental focus. Caffeine also constricts the blood vessels, where taking it along with the arginine and creatine may still allow blood to flow easily if not still better than normal. Correct me if I am wrong.
DieTrying
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Consider this
Hey guys..I don't know how many of you guys that use creatine and caffeine take this into consideration, but the two kinda cancel each other out..Think about it, one is a diuretic, and one causes water retention.
Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.
Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.
Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.
This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.
Hey guys..I don't know how many of you guys that use creatine and caffeine take this into consideration, but the two kinda cancel each other out..Think about it, one is a diuretic, and one causes water retention.
Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.
Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.
Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.
This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.
T-Bone
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DieTrying said:
Exactly. Thats why I don't buy NoXplode. People think that its "working" just because of all the energy and the rush that they get from all the caffine!. Thats why I said just take some EHCL and Caffine and you will get the same energy effect you are getting from the no explode. Just take a look at a lot of the supplements out there. They load them up with caffine so you will "think" its working from the caffine buzz that you get. Thats what I have been trying to explain.