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Nutrient partitioners

Syr

Syr

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It's a few days that this topic has been on my mind.
I always aim to lean bulks. Now with something strong as SD, I fear to accumulate some fat.
Once again i'm going to open my purse and add more supplements to my arsenal :)

Here is what's on my mind so far.

1. 7-oxo-DHEA. I'm already using Ab-Solved. I got some results and I hope it can contribute to not make my waist grow too much.

2. 7-OH. I'm going to switch to this in a few days, after i finish the first bottle of ab-solved

3. ALCAR. Its supposed to be one of the best nutrient partitioner.*

4. Forskolin. I'm very intrigued to use this stuff. I'm going to start it as soon as i finish my first SD minicycle.

5. K-R-ALA. it should help to assimilate carbs towards muscles instead of fat deposits.

6. Other things. I'm open to suggestions.

* It would be nice to know exactly how ALCAR compares to l-carnitine and carnitine tartarate in regard to this property.
 
Syr said:
It's a few days that this topic has been on my mind.
I always aim to lean bulks. Now with something strong as SD, I fear to accumulate some fat.
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I've heard Sesathin is one of the best substances to keep fat gain low while bulking. It'd also be good while on superdrol for keeping your HDL levels up and your LDL levels down.
 
Off the top of my head, both Ephedrine-Caffeine and Leptigen are nutrient repartitioners that are not on your list.
 
Saladin said:
Off the top of my head, both Ephedrine-Caffeine and Leptigen are nutrient repartitioners that are not on your list.
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LeptiGen MASS to be precise.

Have you read my article on Basic Supplementation? It addresses this issue, among others.
 
Invalid Link Removed. Spend some time there, full of great stuff. Twin's article was in the last issue #26, not the latest.
 
Twin Peak said:
Have you read my article on Basic Supplementation? It addresses this issue, among others.
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Yes, that was the thing that made me look seriously into this kind of supplements.
Thanks StrategOS, I've already read that number (and the new one too lol) and TP article.

Yes, I forgot Sesathin in my list.
I didnt mention Leptigen Mass, since i'm listing single substances, not mixes.
While i'm sure LM is effective I wonder about the dose of ALCAR and some other ingredients in it. Plus, I'm pretty sure creatine pyruvate does nothing to me.
 
Saladin said:
Off the top of my head, both Ephedrine-Caffeine and Leptigen are nutrient repartitioners that are not on your list.
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Hmm... caffeine does that? or just helps burning fat? Those are two different things.
BTW, I'm almost immune to the stimulating effects of caffeine, i wonder if i would get the other benefits.
 
Syr said:
It's a few days that this topic has been on my mind.
I always aim to lean bulks. Now with something strong as SD, I fear to accumulate some fat.
Once again i'm going to open my purse and add more supplements to my arsenal :)

Here is what's on my mind so far.

1. 7-oxo-DHEA. I'm already using Ab-Solved. I got some results and I hope it can contribute to not make my waist grow too much.

2. 7-OH. I'm going to switch to this in a few days, after i finish the first bottle of ab-solved

3. ALCAR. Its supposed to be one of the best nutrient partitioner.*

4. Forskolin. I'm very intrigued to use this stuff. I'm going to start it as soon as i finish my first SD minicycle.

5. K-R-ALA. it should help to assimilate carbs towards muscles instead of fat deposits.

6. Other things. I'm open to suggestions.

* It would be nice to know exactly how ALCAR compares to l-carnitine and carnitine tartarate in regard to this property.
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If you run a clean bulk, as most bulks should be anyways, I found that SD acted as a pretty good partitioner in and of itself. My gains were almost entirely lean and I put on a good 7-10 lbs. in 6 weeks. Moderate dosing of fish oil or flax oil with sesathin will help keep the lipid profiles while on the drol, as well as have a nutrient partitioning effect.
 
i've been using Vanadyl Sulphate for a little over 2 weeks & am getting great results in the nutrient partioning dept.

also noticed a lot more fullness in the muscle, much bigger (and sustainable) pumps & increased vascularity.

most of what i've read about Vanadyl is not good but i'll be using it again in the future :thumbsup:



also nicotine as Moyer above mentioned. i like to chew on some nicotine gum for a cuppla weeks which i found to be quite a good nutrient partitioner.

Jag
 
Odessa14 said:
Syr....how are you using your Forskolin? Oral or Dermal?
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Not yet, i'm starting it when i finish my first SD minicycle. Oral.
I'll go for a high dose (200mg splitted in 2 servings a day).
 
Jag said:
most of what i've read about Vanadyl is not good but i'll be using it again in the future :thumbsup:
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"Vanadium sometimes inhibits, but at other times stimulates, cancer growth in animals. The effect in humans remains unknown"

No thanks for me :)
 
a) vanadyl sulfate is a non toxic form of vanadium
b) if systemic 7-oxo's repartitoining effect in the non-stressed, lean is mediated by thyroid output increase its not a good idead long term.
c) Check out phenogen by avant.
d) I would like to see reference on nicotine's repartiotining. on the contrary, its vasoconstrictive effect won't do much for repartitoining.
e) anything that repartitions by activating AMPK, too much of it will make you weak, losing muscle, and over trained. just an FYI.
 
judge-mental said:
b) if systemic 7-oxo's repartitoining effect in the non-stressed, lean is mediated by thyroid output increase its not a good idead long term.
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It should act reducing cortisol even if its not too high for causes like stress.
BTW for long term you mean long term usage or after some years?
 
Cortisol is a good thing in small doses. if youre lean and not stressed (and bulking - eating alot)youre levels are fine. do not reduce it by any means because its allready small. read the absolved writeup on why for the lean/unstressed, 7-oxo should only be targeting the gut
 
judge-mental said:
Cortisol is a good thing in small doses. if youre lean and not stressed (and bulking - eating alot)youre levels are fine. do not reduce it by any means because its allready small. read the absolved writeup on why for the lean/unstressed, 7-oxo should only be targeting the gut
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I'm moderately stressed, but i have already some VAT i want to get rid of. I had not impressive results with 7oxo transdermal and now I'm going to try 7oh orally.
 
Syr said:
5. K-R-ALA. it should help to assimilate carbs towards muscles instead of fat deposits.
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Can you support this? Most of what I have read indicates that ALA increase glut-4 proteins on both muscle and adipose tissue alike. I agree it is a usefull supplement, but I have yet to find any studies showing preferential selection of muscle tissue.
 
bow said:
Can you support this? Most of what I have read indicates that ALA increase glut-4 proteins on both muscle and adipose tissue alike. I agree it is a usefull supplement, but I have yet to find any studies showing preferential selection of muscle tissue.
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Right. That is why Glucophase XR includes the additives, to make it more effective in this regard than K-R-ALA by itself. Performing strenuous exercise will prepare muscle to receive more nutrients from the blood, rather than those same nutrients ending up stored in fat. The K-R-ALA in Glucophase XR facilitates glucose shuttling, while the additives cause the shuttling to be preferentially (albeit not perfectly) directed to muscle instead of fat.

Best: exercise + Glucophase XR + protein/carbs/etc.
Second best: exercise + K-R-ALA + protein/carbs/etc.
Third best: Glucophase XR + protein/carbs/etc.

Exercise is great for nutrient paritioning, but you can't exercise all the time. Glucophase XR is very good for nutrient partitioning, either to improve upon the already great effects of exercise, or to approximate them to some degree when you are not exercising. Nobody exercises before every meal.
 
Strateg0s said:
That is why Glucophase XR includes the additives, to make it more effective in this regard than K-R-ALA by itself. Performing strenuous exercise will prepare muscle to receive more nutrients from the blood, rather than those same nutrients ending up stored in fat. The K-R-ALA in Glucophase XR causes the shuttling, the additives cause the shuttling to be preferentially (albeit not perfectly) into muscle instead of fat.
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Got it. I will defiantly do some research into the additives and see if I can find any evidence to support your conclusion.

I've hypothesized for years that when you are in a glycogen depleted state after anaerobic exercise, ALA will be beneficial. Very much like water flowing through a pipe, glycogen will take the patch of least resistance. If muscle cells are in a state of "need" or "repair", glucose will be preferentially shuttled to muscle cells. Now with the addition of the extra glut-4 proteins (from the addition of the ALA), we can get even more glycogen into the muscle cells, keeping it from being utilized by adipose cells. However, without this additional driving force, I don’t see ALA supplementation in itself as being beneficial. This is why so few studies have shown ALA to be beneficial to non-insulin resistant individuals.

If glucophase can perform this preferential shuttling without the need for an anaerobic environment, then Sledge has truly created an amazing supplement.
 
Vanadyl Sulfate is a non-toxic and good glycogen loader, caffeine is mildly estrogenic but mobilizes fat in the liver and spikes insulin, and pyruvate does work in higher doses (calcium form for glucose disposal or creatine form pre w/o at about a 6-10g dose), most non-aromatizable androgens especially stacked with thyroxine, yohimbe by day and clonidine by night on a semi-keto diet is super, Lean extreme, Ses(from what I here, Twin and Par are still too cheap to send me a tester :) ), DHEA and cort reducing derivatives, GH/IGF, a-sympathomimetics(amphetamines) and betas too like ephedrine or clen, MTC and carnitine, etc..
 
Strateg0s said:
Invalid Link Removed. Spend some time there, full of great stuff. Twin's article was in the last issue #26, not the latest.
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I read your article titled "Looking Back: An untimely Guide to Legal Steroids" and I enjoyed it. I am a rookie and your article explained many things that I wondered.

Good article..

Now write some more :cheers:
 
theprolangtum said:
Back in my OCD days when I was worried about fat gain, I would do 25 bodyweight squats before a meal for partitioning.
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When I said nobody exercises before every meal, I knew there would be a few exceptions. Pro is hardcore - even if he has stopped doing squats before every meal.
 
MorganKane said:
I read your article titled "Looking Back: An untimely Guide to Legal Steroids" and I enjoyed it. I am a rookie and your article explained many things that I wondered. Good article..
Now write some more :cheers:
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Glad you found it helpful. I'll see what I can do about the rest ;)
Dr.D should write something for Mind&Muscle too - then I suspect he would get some Sesathin, for sure...
 
Strateg0s said:
When I said nobody exercises before every meal, I knew there would be a few exceptions. Pro is hardcore - even if he has stopped doing squats before every meal.
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....and you didn't know that these body squats were performed in a thong on stage.....;) Not everyone has that sort of talent :icon_lol:
 
Prolangtum, did doing those 25 rep bodyweight squats really seem to help? I may give that a try, sounds interesting. BTW, what have you been up to lately, havent seen you around in a long time, good to see you again.
 
To be honest, Im not sure. I was always lingering around 8-9%, which is hard to maintain year round. I was eating right at maintenance cals, I think it would be better to try when your bulking with a surplus of cals. Even then Im sure the difference will be minimal.
 
resurrecting a bit old thread :)

DR.D said:
... MTC and carnitine, etc..
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What is MTC?
About carnitine, do u think that ALCAR is the best form of carnitine for this goal?
 
Syr said:
What is MTC?
About carnitine, do u think that ALCAR is the best form of carnitine for this goal?
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Alcar is marketed for it's mental effects, but will work fine for fat loss. Carnitine free base or salts will work on fat and are usually cheaper than Alcar, but doesn't have the brain benefits. So choose the form that suits your goals. MTC is medium chain triglycerides. Caprylic is one of my fav's. MTC's are not stored as fat and offer a good carb alternative for body fuel. They also prime fat burning processes that advance it's affect.
 
SJA said:
Shouldn't that be MCT?? :think:
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Leave me alone ! Momma said I was special :D but yeah, that's what I meant if my brain was working "properly" whatever that means ;)
 
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