Xtend vs. ICE
- 03-04-2005, 04:31 PM
- 03-04-2005, 08:17 PM
bulk BCAA and bulk cit. malate, and you have much more than Xtend for the same price
- 03-04-2005, 08:46 PM
yeah, make your own. Save some cash.
03-04-2005, 11:13 PM
Is $10 in savings worth mixing the products together and then having a kilo of ass-tasting powder? Otherwise, just get whichever is the cheaper of the two, both are great products.
03-04-2005, 11:24 PM
....not only would you save some money, you'll get a 1000 grams of bcaa and 100 grams of cit. malate, as opposed to 630 grams of bcaa and 90 of cit. malate, and in my experience neither taste bad at all...i drink both in water and they taste perfectly fine
i guess some people just enjoy paying more, to each his own
03-04-2005, 11:27 PM
I think you're right. I don't even like buffets since I have to work for my food.
03-04-2005, 11:49 PM
crystal light. Just sprinkle a tad in w/all things powder.Originally Posted by bpi
03-05-2005, 09:24 AM
I sip on BCAA and CM during training mixed with crystal light. You will save a ton of money and it does not taste bad at all. Go with a lemonade or their orange flavor. I tried raspberry and it wasn't very good.
My pre-workout blend is a totally different story. Their is no masking BCAA, CM, ALCAR, Taurine, Tyrosine, Betaine, and Choline. Lets just say this formula has some "texture" when you drink it. But it gets me busting ass in the gym on 1200cal/day (UD2.0 depletion days), so I'm fine with it.
Make sure you throw in some B6 to aid in the utilization of the BCAAs. Your best bet is probably to buy Twinlab caps and just open them into the powder.
BTW: Extend does underdose CM. I think you are supposed to get about 6g for it to be effective. Bulk powders are so cheap that I always overestimate.
03-05-2005, 11:31 AM
03-05-2005, 11:54 AM
I've tried both, and find mixability with both is less than great, as bcaa powder tends to float on the top of the mixture at first, and then settle out at the bottom. I actually prefer the fruit punch flavour of ICE over that of Grape Xtend, but find that the grape flavouring of Xtend is preferable to grape ICE. I don't think you can really go wrong with either product though.
I tried Bodyoctane awhile ago, and didn't really feel that Citrulline Malate gave me much in the way of noticable benefits, so in this case the extra cost for a low dose of Citrulline probably isn't warranted.
03-05-2005, 11:58 AM
Beowulf--you and I drink the same concoction during w/o. I actually use that formula pre- and during. That is a great mix IMO. How many mgs of B-6 do you add? That's one thing I haven't yet included, although I have the powder.
03-05-2005, 01:35 PM
I have tried both and have noticed no difference between the 2. So I say save the cash and go with Ice.
Personally when my xtend is gone I will be ordering the kilo of BCAA since they say oral glutamine doesn't do ****. Protein Customizer is back and they sell the BSL favorling systems. I dunno how they taste or how much you need though. Anyone try em?
03-05-2005, 02:06 PM
I mixed up 10 servings of the concoction yesterday and opened 3 100mg B6 caps into it for approx. 30mg per serving. I think that is more than necessary, but I tend to err on the side of too much (except w/ PHs and alcohol).Originally Posted by milwood
03-05-2005, 02:08 PM
I just go with bulk CM. It is hard to say exactly what is working, but I have had incredible endurance and recovery doing my depletion workouts and cardio during my UD 2.0 cycles. During the workout, I only take in BCAA and CM. I have a feeling the CM is working, but I didn't notice anything until a few weeks of taking it. Bodyoctane is way too expensive and extend is underdosed. By the bulk and shoot for 3-4g pre and during your workouts.Originally Posted by max silver
03-05-2005, 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Beowulf
Where are you guys buying your bulk BCAA's?
03-05-2005, 05:41 PM
I bought mine at 1 fast, but Custom is going to be getting them. I will buy them there from now on. If a bunch of us say we're getting ready to order, Matt might get them in ASAP. I'm almost ready to buy more.
03-05-2005, 05:56 PM
Is there anyone who sells bulk EAA's? BSL used too.
03-05-2005, 05:57 PM
I'm already saving some money for when his custom mixing feature gets going. I know I'm going to go broke then, so I'm planning in advance.
03-25-2005, 07:59 PM
I used my noggin and put together a BCAA/Glutamine/Taurine mix @ Trueprotien.com. It will end up saving me about $20 a month. Plus I can get a flavor other than Grape.
03-25-2005, 08:40 PM
I love the grape flavored ICE. It works well for what it is . I used SST products b4 from infinity fitness when I used Scott as my personel trainer and I have continued to make gains in losing body fat and better pumps using the Ice and Amino 2222 from Optimum.
Arnold SchwarzeneggerOriginally Posted by Arnold Schwarzenegger
03-26-2005, 05:59 AM
I have to say that BCAA didn nothign to me while EAA during workout really seem to help my endurance.Originally Posted by donk
03-26-2005, 11:52 AM
Layne, Derek, and a bunch of other randoms, including myself, are megadosing Xtend/ICE/BCAA powder over intthe supplement section of bb.com, i know there's a lot of crap to weed through over there, but it could be interesting, there's already been quite a bit of info posted on leucine's anabolic properties, and Layne has already reported what he claims as amazing gains from only 2.5 weeks of megadosing, might be worth checking out if you're interested in doing this
03-26-2005, 02:31 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=431025Originally Posted by Newb017
I am collecting the results from all those participating and can post them here if you guys would like.
I am taking 50 grams of BCAA a day and in the first week, I lost 1.25 lbs of fat and gained 3.75 lbs of lean mass (all measurements, except calves which are 18", went up). I'll have my week 2 update tomorrow.
03-26-2005, 03:10 PM
Please do, thanks bro.Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
BTW, I've started using apple cider vinegar and lemon juice with my high carb meals during my dcurrent bulk. It burns my throat a bit. Could the vin/lemon juice concoction have some whacky pH that could be detrimental??? I haven't studied science in a long time.
03-26-2005, 04:42 PM
You can dilute it by adding water if you would like. I doubt the vin/lemon juice pH is detrimental at all.*Originally Posted by Beowulf
*Beast cannot be held responsible for any injury or death caused or linked to drinking vinegar + lemon juice.
03-26-2005, 05:28 PM
I'm looking forward to this info on the BCAA mega-dosing. I thought I read somewhere before that high dose BCAA was detrimental. Was this Layne's idea? As if he has a f$^#ing clue about amino acid utilization. It's not as if he were doing a PhD specializing in it or something.
03-26-2005, 06:06 PM
there will be shortlyOriginally Posted by donk
03-27-2005, 12:13 AM
not sure if it would be detrimental but it definately has a 'whacky' pH.Originally Posted by Beowulf
03-27-2005, 09:56 AM
Thanks, I'm glad to see that we're all on the same page when it comes to using proper scientific terminology. I can't stand these heathens that don't know how to express physical or chemical properties with proper terminologyOriginally Posted by doggzj
03-27-2005, 08:19 PM
I have question about hyperdosing bcaa , wouldnt it be almost the same idea as leptigen by avant labs.
and i noticed beast that you used leptigen for a contest and was wondering if your superdosing experiment is giving similar results
03-27-2005, 08:31 PM
Did you gain any bone and testicle mass a la Rebound XT?Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
03-28-2005, 10:16 AM
Sadly, my testicles are back at their normal size since discontinuing Rebound XT...Originally Posted by Beowulf
After 2 weeks, I'm up 5.6 pounds in lean mass and down 1.1 pounds in fat. All my measurements (muscle girth) has been increasing as well. I'm attaching my excel spreadsheets.
03-28-2005, 10:23 AM
I've only used Leptigen while cutting. The first time was during my review on the Avant website. At that time, fat loss had stalled and I was losing lean mass. When I added Leptigen, I started losing fat again and gained a little lean mass. Last time I used Leptigen (BASIC) while cutting I was doing the UD2 diet. I was stack Leptigen Basic + BCAA. I lost 7.5 pounds of fat and gained 2.5 pounds of lean mass in 4 weeks.Originally Posted by stevenki
I normally use BCAA around my workouts, and for this experiment adding more throughout the day. I am extrememly impressed with my results so far. I think the combo of BCAA + Citrulline Malate works very well. At my dosing, I am getting 6 grams of CM a day. When I start cutting in 3 weeks, I will probably stick with the high doses of BCAA around my workouts and cardio.
The more I read about BCAA the more impressed I get. I'll keep you guys up to date and report the other participants results when I get them.
03-28-2005, 11:54 AM
What do you think of the reccommendation against using Phenogen with CM?
03-28-2005, 04:33 PM
Since Phenogen works by "wasting" ATP and CM would make creating ATP more efficient, I can see a conflict. Spook the product's designer does not recommend the combo, but I have seen others that say it is fine. I don't think CM would be much of a concern compared to Creatine though.Originally Posted by KCPreki11
03-28-2005, 09:36 PM
Welcome to our boards, where we guess bone mass and testicle weight!
Sorry dude, welcome for real!
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03-29-2005, 06:00 AM
LOL, thanks buddy.Originally Posted by motiv8er
04-01-2005, 01:21 AM
Many seem to believe that most of the great results of BCAA's is the resuslt of the Leucine, what would you think of jsut mega dosing Lucine?
04-01-2005, 10:53 AM
The problem with just taking Leucine is you could create an amino acid imbalance. Valine and Isoleucine also have some nice properties which will enhance the overall effect.Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
So I wouldn't "mega-dose" Leucine, but 5 extra grams pre and post workout (with a protein shake) would be beneficial.
04-01-2005, 10:10 PM
Derek, need to get rid of that ugly ass hat in your photo
You can build your own xtend in raw materials for around 15-20 bucks less. Problem is, taste like ASS.
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