Xtend vs. ICE
- 03-27-2005, 09:31 PM
- 03-28-2005, 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by Beowulf
After 2 weeks, I'm up 5.6 pounds in lean mass and down 1.1 pounds in fat. All my measurements (muscle girth) has been increasing as well. I'm attaching my excel spreadsheets.
03-28-2005, 11:23 AM
I've only used Leptigen while cutting. The first time was during my review on the Avant website. At that time, fat loss had stalled and I was losing lean mass. When I added Leptigen, I started losing fat again and gained a little lean mass. Last time I used Leptigen (BASIC) while cutting I was doing the UD2 diet. I was stack Leptigen Basic + BCAA. I lost 7.5 pounds of fat and gained 2.5 pounds of lean mass in 4 weeks.Originally Posted by stevenki
I normally use BCAA around my workouts, and for this experiment adding more throughout the day. I am extrememly impressed with my results so far. I think the combo of BCAA + Citrulline Malate works very well. At my dosing, I am getting 6 grams of CM a day. When I start cutting in 3 weeks, I will probably stick with the high doses of BCAA around my workouts and cardio.
The more I read about BCAA the more impressed I get. I'll keep you guys up to date and report the other participants results when I get them.
03-28-2005, 12:54 PM
03-28-2005, 05:33 PM
Since Phenogen works by "wasting" ATP and CM would make creating ATP more efficient, I can see a conflict. Spook the product's designer does not recommend the combo, but I have seen others that say it is fine. I don't think CM would be much of a concern compared to Creatine though.Originally Posted by KCPreki11
03-28-2005, 10:36 PM
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03-29-2005, 07:00 AM
04-01-2005, 02:21 AM
Many seem to believe that most of the great results of BCAA's is the resuslt of the Leucine, what would you think of jsut mega dosing Lucine?
04-01-2005, 11:53 AM
The problem with just taking Leucine is you could create an amino acid imbalance. Valine and Isoleucine also have some nice properties which will enhance the overall effect.Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
So I wouldn't "mega-dose" Leucine, but 5 extra grams pre and post workout (with a protein shake) would be beneficial.
04-01-2005, 11:10 PM
Derek, need to get rid of that ugly ass hat in your photo
You can build your own xtend in raw materials for around 15-20 bucks less. Problem is, taste like ASS.
04-01-2005, 11:15 PM
Mike you are a man after my own heart! Get some of the BSL flavoring in, I hear they are good.....and what is the culprit for the bad taste?Originally Posted by 1Fast400
04-02-2005, 01:22 AM
eh, tastes decent, i actually bought 12 PET 2 ounce bottles, they're like 50 cents a piece with caps, and I put a teaspoon of bcaa powder and a teaspoon of gatorade powder, definitely doable, i drink 6 a day on lifting days and the taste isn't bad at all, the texture is a little gross as the bcaa's fight for their lives to not absorb, but o well, cheap as hell to do too
04-02-2005, 03:19 AM
04-02-2005, 05:24 AM
i think high dose of Leucine alone is enough for increased muscle synthasis (if theory is true)
i dont know if Valin have an added value it can be used as an energy source in the muscles when muscle glycogen levels is low so it could be anti-catabolic while dieting, but not anabolic.it maintainthe nitrogen balance in the body, and that maybe thats it for the muscle.
Isoleucine is necessary for hemoglobin formation and in stabilizing and regulating blood sugar and energy levels so it has small role in protein synthasis.
i dont think if you take high dose of one amino acid that will cause an imbalance. people have been taking isolated amino since years and nothing happened (arginine, glutamine, l-carnantine). i dont know if high dose BCAA is worth the money, when coasts more than my AAS cycle.
but maybe taking high dose of Leucine alone is worth the experiment. truprotein sells it for cheap. 100g for 4.8$
here is a study and descusstion about Leucine supplementation.
04-02-2005, 10:47 AM
Yes but not everyone wants to muck around with their endocrine systemOriginally Posted by x_muscle
I do wish BCAA price dropped though.
04-02-2005, 10:48 AM
When I cut I will take some pics in the Bulk Nutrition beanie I got at the Arnold for youOriginally Posted by 1Fast400
04-02-2005, 01:25 PM
http://www.soapcrafters.com/soap_crafting_supplies/1090Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
the one's I got were blue 2 ounce bottles, cant remember where i got em from but they're easy to find
PET is just a special type of plastic i think, mega cheap, won't break, being a college student makes having these things awesome, i take one at about 6am then i just bring a couple to the rec center for immediately pre workout at about 645, then have one about midworkout, then space the final 3 out throughout the day, i just dont like carrying around gallon jugs all the time, plus having it in small doses in a 1:1 ratio with gatorade powder makes it easy to take
04-04-2005, 05:22 AM
Someone (X Muscle) should do a test with just Leucine to see how it works, though if Beast feels that the other two are needed I will trust his judgement....I need to start rereading all the BCAA's studies again!
04-04-2005, 07:10 AM
is leucine on its own that much cheaper? a kilo of all 3 bcaa's for 40 bucks will last about a month, not too expensive really compared to some of the other stuff you could pay for
04-04-2005, 11:18 AM
I need to get some Scivation beanies done.Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
Dude is getting results off of Xtend, so he obviously needs to be wearing my headgear when topless!
04-04-2005, 11:25 AM
Hey Marc,Originally Posted by Scivation
How's about you tell us how you make EXTEND taste good, even though its main ingredient is vile tasting BCAAs (PLEASE)
04-04-2005, 03:04 PM
04-04-2005, 03:06 PM
Scivation beanies would be pimp. We can sport them in Vegas in OctoberOriginally Posted by Scivation
04-04-2005, 05:18 PM
Would you care to elaborate, or is this top secret Scivation biz?Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
04-06-2005, 04:26 PM
We've got something in the works that only Derek and a couple other people know about. Actually, we have a lot in the works.Originally Posted by Beowulf
04-06-2005, 04:50 PM
Hi Marc,Originally Posted by Scivation
Why dont pick up a few testers here too?
BB.com is so full of bollocks many people (including myself) dont follow it so much
04-06-2005, 04:53 PM
Dammit I wish Scivation was in my pricerange. Neurostim is one of the best products I have ever tried. However, I am a dedicated Primaforce user. Grape Substance WPI is like a cheat treat for me, but I get it every time I workout.Originally Posted by Scivation
04-06-2005, 06:44 PM
04-06-2005, 06:45 PM
04-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Look at Derek shelling out the science...
You can easily get a kilo of straight l-leucine for $50.is leucine on its own that much cheaper? a kilo of all 3 bcaa's for 40 bucks will last about a month, not too expensive really compared to some of the other stuff you could pay for
You can less easily get ones a lot cheaper than that.
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