I have to say that BCAA didn nothign to me while EAA during workout really seem to help my .Originally Posted by donk
Layne, Derek, and a bunch of other randoms, including myself, are megadosing Xtend/ICE/BCAA powder over intthe supplement section of bb.com, i know there's a lot of crap to weed through over there, but it could be interesting, there's already been quite a bit of info posted on leucine's anabolic properties, and Layne has already reported what he claims as amazing gains from only 2.5 weeks of megadosing, might be worth checking out if you're interested in doing this
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=431025Originally Posted by Newb017
I am collecting the results from all those participating and can post them here if you guys would like.
I am taking 50 grams of BCAA a day and in the first week, I lost 1.25 lbs of fat and gained 3.75 lbs of lean mass (all measurements, except calves which are 18", went up). I'll have my week 2 update tomorrow.
Please do, thanks bro.Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
BTW, I've started using apple cider vinegar and lemon juice with my high carb meals during my dcurrent bulk. It burns my throat a bit. Could the vin/lemon juice concoction have some whacky pH that could be detrimental??? I haven't studied science in a long time.
You can dilute it by adding water if you would like. I doubt the vin/lemon juice pH is detrimental at all.*Originally Posted by Beowulf
*Beast cannot be held responsible for any injury or death caused or linked to drinking vinegar + lemon juice.
I'm looking forward to this info on the BCAA mega-dosing. I thought I read somewhere before that high dose BCAA was detrimental. Was this Layne's idea? As if he has a f$^#ing clue about amino acid utilization. It's not as if he were doing a PhD specializing in it or something.
there will be shortlyOriginally Posted by donk
not sure if it would be detrimental but it definately has a 'whacky' pH.Originally Posted by Beowulf
Thanks, I'm glad to see that we're all on the same page when it comes to using proper scientific terminology. I can't stand these heathens that don't know how to express physical or chemical properties with proper terminologyOriginally Posted by doggzj
I have question about hyperdosing bcaa , wouldnt it be almost the same idea as leptigen by avant labs.
and i noticed beast that you used leptigen for a contest and was wondering if your superdosing experiment is giving similar results
Did you gain any bone and testicle mass a la Rebound XT?Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
Sadly, my testicles are back at their normal size since discontinuing Rebound XT...Originally Posted by Beowulf
After 2 weeks, I'm up 5.6 pounds in lean mass and down 1.1 pounds in fat. All my measurements (muscle girth) has been increasing as well. I'm attaching my excel spreadsheets.
I've only used Leptigen while cutting. The first time was during my review on the Avant website. At that time, fat loss had stalled and I was losing lean mass. When I added Leptigen, I started losing fat again and gained a little lean mass. Last time I used Leptigen (BASIC) while cutting I was doing the UD2 diet. I was stack Leptigen Basic + BCAA. I lost 7.5 pounds of fat and gained 2.5 pounds of lean mass in 4 weeks.Originally Posted by stevenki
I normally use BCAA around my workouts, and for this experiment adding more throughout the day. I am extrememly impressed with my results so far. I think the combo of BCAA + Citrulline Malate works very well. At my dosing, I am getting 6 grams of CM a day. When I start cutting in 3 weeks, I will probably stick with the high doses of BCAA around my workouts and cardio.
The more I read about BCAA the more impressed I get. I'll keep you guys up to date and report the other participants results when I get them.
What do you think of the reccommendation against using Phenogen with CM?
Since Phenogen works by "wasting" ATP and CM would make creating ATP more efficient, I can see a conflict. Spook the product's designer does not recommend the combo, but I have seen others that say it is fine. I don't think CM would be much of a concern compared to Creatine though.Originally Posted by KCPreki11
Welcome to our boards, where we guess bone mass and testicle weight!
Sorry dude, welcome for real!
LOL, thanks buddy.Originally Posted by motiv8er
Many seem to believe that most of the great results of BCAA's is the resuslt of the Leucine, what would you think of jsut mega dosing Lucine?
The problem with just taking Leucine is you could create an amino acid imbalance. Valine and Isoleucine also have some nice properties which will enhance the overall effect.Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
So I wouldn't "mega-dose" Leucine, but 5 extra grams pre and post workout (with a protein shake) would be beneficial.
Derek, need to get rid of that ugly ass hat in your photo
You can build your own xtend in raw materials for around 15-20 bucks less. Problem is, taste like ASS.