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    X-Factor log


    X-Factor Trial



    Age: 20

    Height: 5’9?

    Weight: 175

    R. Bicep: 15?


    R. Thigh: 25-1/2?

    Bodytype: Ecto-Endo

    Prohormone/Steroid use: At age 18 used Trenabol-X then lost all muscle gains on a spiritual quest.

    Training experience (summary): 5 years myself and 1 year training others.

    Estimated total daily calorie intake: 3000-4000

    Estimated total daily protein intake: 250

    Big 3 lifts for 3 reps: (PR’s)360 DL / 350 SQ / 235 BP



    Dosage and Time Span:2-2-1 capsules everyday for 50 days.


    Supplements: PrimaforceCreaform, Substance WPI; ON 100% Natural Whey; NOW Foods Rhodiola rosea, liver tabs, opti-l-zinc, glycerine; BN L-taurine, betaine, L-tyrosine, glucuronolactone, caffeine, choline citrate; Nature’s Science b-complex; Lily of the Desert aloe vera.


    Notes: All of the supplements I’m taking I’ve been on for at least a month. I know how they feel and will easily be able to perceive any changes in performance or body composition that may be caused by the X-Factor. I have cut out high dose monounsaturated fats as well as fish oil as they can interefere with X-Factor. No antiinflammatorys will be used during test because they too can interefere. I will update this log every week.


    Workout: My workouts vary day to day but the usual schedule is day1 upper body, day2 off, day3 lower body, day4 off and repeat.


    2/14/05


    Started first dose of X-Factor today.

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    Best of luck. Bill Llewellyn believes strongly in this product(unique idea in my opinion in a good sense). I hope it works well for you and everybody else.
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    Is this the product by legal gear, contains arachidonic acid? I am gonna go check it out.

    BTW, if you dont mind me asking, what exactly was your "spiritual quest"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Is this the product by legal gear, contains arachidonic acid? I am gonna go check it out.
    Molecular Nutrition not Legal Gear. Find some more info at www.bodyofscience.com
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    Ah, I was thinking of Product X by Legal Gear, I would like to see some reviews on that too, havent really seen any though.
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    Hey bro,
    Im on my 3rd bottle of X-Factor. And still nothing. I take 6 to 8 caps a day. where did you see that you should not take fish oil with it?? That might be whats wrong. I take it with fish oil, Flax oil, and CLA. Let me know were to find that info on fish oil please!! Thank you, Harleyc
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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyc
    Hey bro,
    Im on my 3rd bottle of X-Factor. And still nothing. I take 6 to 8 caps a day. where did you see that you should not take fish oil with it?? That might be whats wrong. I take it with fish oil, Flax oil, and CLA.
    You should email or contact Bill Llewellyn for full information. Put simply, X-Factor is pro-inflammatory and Omega 3's are anti-inflammatory, therefore using the two together is limiting X-factor's potential.
    Last edited by size; 02-17-2005 at 05:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyc
    Hey bro,
    Im on my 3rd bottle of X-Factor. And still nothing. I take 6 to 8 caps a day. where did you see that you should not take fish oil with it?? That might be whats wrong. I take it with fish oil, Flax oil, and CLA. Let me know were to find that info on fish oil please!! Thank you, Harleyc
    Yes, taking any kind of oil (fish, flax, olive, etc) or medicine (aspirin, ibuprofen, etc) that will reduce inflammation will counter act the X-Factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyc
    Hey bro,
    Im on my 3rd bottle of X-Factor. And still nothing. I take 6 to 8 caps a day. where did you see that you should not take fish oil with it?? That might be whats wrong. I take it with fish oil, Flax oil, and CLA. Let me know were to find that info on fish oil please!! Thank you, Harleyc
    I know that many on this board don't like bodybuilding.com (for many good reasons) but that is where Bill L. spends alot of time answering questions. There are a few threads there on this and he will answer PM's, it may take a day or two for him to get back to you. According to him, to get the most out of this product, don't take CLA, Flax, Olive Oil or Fish oils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    X-Factor is pro-inflammatory.
    This sems like such a bizarre supp to me b/c everything else--creatine, glutamine (arguably), BCAAs, whey, etc--all help with recovery. This stuff actually increases inflammation. What a weird concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harleyc
    Hey bro,
    Im on my 3rd bottle of X-Factor. And still nothing. I take 6 to 8 caps a day. where did you see that you should not take fish oil with it?? That might be whats wrong. I take it with fish oil, Flax oil, and CLA. Let me know were to find that info on fish oil please!! Thank you, Harleyc
    I read this in a bb.com thread about XFactor. I believe Bill L. himself says not to take it with flax, etc in the thread. I believe it was someone named ghostface killer (not to be confused w/Wu-member extraordinaire) who ran the log.
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    Well, X-factor is more than just pro inflammatory. It is a complicated process but is based around the fact the arachidonic acid (AA) is the precursor to eicosanoids. Eicosanoids are very powerful hormones. AA also increases AR density so it would be useful to take when on a cycle. I am very excited about this trial.
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    And yeah, I hate the BB.com forums too. It's too bad so many good minds hang out there because the majority of members are complete ass holes. Everything is so cliquey over there and it causes much misinformation. If only people like patrick arnold, llewellyn, and some of teh Avant guys would hang here more often. Doesn't matter though, we got some smart motha ****as in this house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I believe Bill L. himself says not to take it with flax, etc in the thread.
    I can confirm this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    Well, X-factor is more than just pro inflammatory. It is a complicated process but is based around the fact the arachidonic acid (AA) is the precursor to eicosanoids. Eicosanoids are very powerful hormones. AA also increases AR density so it would be useful to take when on a cycle. I am very excited about this trial.
    actuly X-factor is aimed for raising prostaglandins, spificly PGF-2a, and PGE-1, not eicosanoids. although eicosanoids are raised from AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x_muscle
    actuly X-factor is aimed for raising prostaglandins, spificly PGF-2a, and PGE-1, not eicosanoids. although eicosanoids are raised from AA.
    Umm yeah

    Isn't that what I meant?
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    Hey guys,
    Thank you so much for the info. It helps alot. Im going to stop all my oils for now. I'll let you know how it works. Thanks again, Harleyc
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    hey, i'm doing the trial too. i started on 2/14. so far i've noticed quite a bit of the soreness, almost feels like i'm catching a cold. i've also been getting better pumps from my upper body and calf workouts, not so much in the quads or hams though.

    i spend quite a bit of time on this forum, the threads are so much better to read than bb.com's, it's easier to pick up information without all of the flames... thanks! chris
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    Ya bro,
    Im sore all the time. Espically my biceps.
    I don't know if it is from this product or not but I'm up 7lbs from last week.
    Its been a week since I stopped taking the wrong stuff. Anti inflamatory's!!
    I wait till next week to find out. Good luck with the X-Factor bro, Harleyc
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    ***UPDATE***
    2/21/05


    Well, I’m going to refrain from acting too excited. I have noticed what could be a slight increase in soreness OR just extra soreness from having hella good workouts. In some cases though, I get sore within hours after my workout which is something I never used to get. Maybe I’m just being extra aware of soreness though because of the nature of AA. My muscles seem to feel more solid, but that’s probably because I’m super hydrated and have been carrying these permanent mini-pumps all day. Just to be on the safe side, I’m going to assume that no changes have taken place yet as a result of using AA.

    I’ve also changed my diet. I’ve stopped drinking all milk and started eating raw eggs. Call it a hunch. My protein intake will stay the same (getting more from beef and chicken).
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    Not to take away from your log, but what is so new to X-Factor. Is this not just like Adonis X from Syntrax? Why is there so much talk about a product that has already been brought to the market?
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    Because now that PH's are gone, Molecular Nutrition (the patent holders for AA supplementation) are really trying to spread the word. Llewellyn stands by X-Factor 100% and doesn't understand why more people haven't tried it since it supposedly gives great results.

    BTW, Adonis-X is a copy of X-Factor.
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    **UPDATE***
    2/22/05

    When I take X-factor pre-workout I get insane pumps. I mean, brutal. I’ve also been getting very intense pumps when I go running; they become downright painful in my upper thighs and lower back.


    Okay, I guess that was more of a mini-update.
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    keep them coming bro!!
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    hey Aeternitatis what is your schedule taking x-facter
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    Uh, it says in my first post: 2+2+1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    And yeah, I hate the BB.com forums too. It's too bad so many good minds hang out there because the majority of members are complete ass holes. Everything is so cliquey over there and it causes much misinformation. If only people like patrick arnold, llewellyn, and some of teh Avant guys would hang here more often. Doesn't matter though, we got some smart motha ****as in this house.
    I stop in here from time to time, and agree - good forum here guys. Wish I had the time to hang out on the boards more in general, as I'd definitely be a regular here if I could. I love to answer questions about my work..

    I'll try to keep checking this thread though, since I know you guys are talking aboiut it. If any of you have specific questions - please fire away.
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    ***UPDATE***

    2/27/05
    My muscles feel fuller, thicker. I don’t think I’ve gotten stronger beyond what is normal but I definitely have extra intensity when working out. Soreness is still up from what I'm used to getting. For now I can say that I definitely am noticing that I'm "on" something. Since this is still only the closing of the second week of usage I suspect that the real effects will begin to show themselves in the coming days of week 3. I’ll give an update of weight and measurements at the end of week 3. Until then, here is a sample of my workout routines and diet.


    Upper body:
    4xfailure Lean-In Dips
    2xfailure Wide Grip Pullups
    2xfailure Neutral Grip Pullups
    3x8-10 Barbell Row/Machine Row/1 arm row
    3x6-10 Clean and press
    2xfailure Cleans
    2x6-10 dumbbell bench press
    2x6-10 Incline Dumbbell curl
    1x10 angled barbell curl
    1x10 Triceps pressdown/overhead press


    Lower Body:
    7x3-15 Barbell Squats
    3x3-10 Deadlifts
    2x10-12 Travelling lunges w/dumbbells
    1x10 1-leg Calf raise w/dumbbell
    3x15 1-leg elevated calf raise alternating/no rest
    (sometimes I’ll use a leg curl machine, squat press machine, or angled calf raise machine in this workout)


    Sample Diet:

    Meal 1—
    1 scoop whey protein
    2 raw eggs
    2 T natural fruit jam
    1 banana
    1/4 C blueberries

    Meal 2—
    Chicken Breast
    Large salad w/field greens and mushrooms, vinaigrette

    Meal 3—
    2 slices Sprouted grain bread
    Cooked ground beef in tomato sauce

    Meal 4—
    1 Apple
    1 scoop WPI
    Almonds and Pumpkin seeds, raw

    Meal 5—
    1 scoop whey protein
    2 raw eggs
    2 T natural peanut butter
    1 heaping teaspoon cacao

    Meal 6—
    2 slices Sprouted grain bread
    Cooked ground beef in tomato sauce
    Large salad w/field greens and mushrooms, vinaigrette


    Add to this food the occasional grazing on other fruits, veggies, and nuts as well as the occasional 80% cacao chocolate bar. Also keep in mind that the beef I use is NOT lean.
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    Have you had any noticeable gains to this point?
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    I don't want to jump the gun so I'm not going to speak of any "gains" till week three.

    Just a little update, I have begun supplementing with organic blachstrap molasses and organic, raw apple cider vinegar. Natural food supplements are the bee's knees.
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    Adonis X isn't a knock-off, the ads for it stated that Molecular and Syntrax worked together on it..
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    I don't know anything about that but I do know that they're the exact same thing and X-Factor is cheaper at BB.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x_muscle
    actuly X-factor is aimed for raising prostaglandins, spificly PGF-2a, and PGE-1, not eicosanoids. although eicosanoids are raised from AA.
    Here is a link which explains the basics of prostaglandins

    http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembo...ostagland.html

    I am thinking that this product might not be that great for you to take long term. Just thinking quickly of the problems that arise from inflammation-high cholesterol, pain, auto-immune disease, senile dementia/alzheimers

    Anyone's thoughts on this?

    BTW nice to see you again, Aeternitatis
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    here is another link on prostaglandins

    http://www.yohimbe.org/prostaglandin.htm
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    Good to see you AcuDoc

    Now I'm not the one who created the product but I've been thinking that there is more to archidonic acid and its benefits to muscle growth than just additional inflammation. I personally am no longer feeling the extreme soreness after workouts that I was at first and have not noticed any additional inflammation...yet strength is definitely going up (something I'll get more into when I update on Sunday). AA is still quite misunderstood and the field of study relating to prostaglandins and eicosanoids I think is still quite new. Right now, I am seeing AA as a kind of anabolic hormonal switch for those little known hormones. It can also increase androgen receptor density which is kind of like an increase in testosterone without the actualy increase...uh

    But when you think about it, AA supplementation follows a crude sor of logic to me. I mean, when you think of a huge, musuclar brute what do you see him eating? I see mounds of beef. And it is in the fat of red meat that AA is most abundant. Heh, it's that kind of intuition (if it can be called that) that I go off. If you look at the diets of Native Americans and other indigenous peoples, you will commonly find that when they hunted for meat, it was the fattiest meat that was most prized. Sure, fat is more calorie dense but I have no doubt that there is more to it than that.

    Oh, and I definitely agree with you about long term supplementation being very likely detrimental. But I think this may only apply to the high doses I'm taking. I've proposed the idea to Llewellyn that X-Factor taken at just one capsule a day (200mg AA) could function as an EFA supplement like fish and flax oils do now.
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    ***UPDATE***

    3/05/05
    Lost a capsule; it fell into the nether regions behind the cupboard.

    3/07/05
    Holy ****! My morning weight is now up to 182. Jesus, I haven’t weighed this much since I was a fat ass in middle school. And the amazing thing is I’ve actually tightened up just a bit. That means I’m up 7 pounds in three weeks with no visible fat gains! I want you to know that even when I was using PH’s and eating way more calories than I am now, I still didn’t reach a weight of over 180lbs.

    I’ve also been tearing up the weights. Let me tell you! Sometimes I sneak into the local community college gym for a workout. I used every single plate in the place on the squat press for several sets of 7 reps (over 500 pounds is all I know). I used their heaviest dumbbells (80 lbs) for some easy chest press sets. I know I could’ve handled 100lb dumbbells if they were available.

    Most impressive though is what my squat has done. My ten rep squat has shot from 255 to 285. The other day I did a 5 rep set of squats with 305lbs with solid form. I have never gone above 300lbs for even one rep. So, now I’m setting some ambitious goals. I hope to hit double my bodyweight for a 5 reps squat and do 300lbs for 10 reps before this X-Factor trial is over.

    The interesting thing is that my bicep and thigh measurements haven’t increased but I swear I look bigger. My muscles are definitely harder. I really feel that X-Factor is working the way it should. A strange thing is that I no longer feel the extreme soreness that I did for the first two weeks. I don’t get any extra joint pain or muscle pain, just the usual amounts.
    Also take note that I will be making an effort to eat much cleaner and will be reducing calories a bit as I am going to start testing Blaze. I’ll still be eating above maintenance but below what I have been by at least 500 calories.
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    It blows my mind that for as long as this product has been out, nobody seemed to believe in it, I don't really know of anyone who has even tried it. Your log has me sold for a test run. Time for other supplement companies to try to jump on the bandwagon and get the price down.
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    Aeternitatis, just cause I don't feel like doing math, how many bottles do you plan on going through. Did you get yours under $35 per bottle?
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    I got my bottles for free.

    Here's the math: 3 bottles at 5 caps per day for 50 days (plus some). Keep in mind that while using this you need to stop supplementing with flax or fish oil and you also MUST avoid any antiinflammatory medicines. These are considered the reasons why it may not have worked for some people in the past. All the guide lines are here in this log in case you need to double check.
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