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  1. Adonis X isn't a knock-off, the ads for it stated that Molecular and Syntrax worked together on it..


  2. I don't know anything about that but I do know that they're the exact same thing and X-Factor is cheaper at BB.com.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by x_muscle
    actuly X-factor is aimed for raising prostaglandins, spificly PGF-2a, and PGE-1, not eicosanoids. although eicosanoids are raised from AA.
    Here is a link which explains the basics of prostaglandins

    http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembo...ostagland.html

    I am thinking that this product might not be that great for you to take long term. Just thinking quickly of the problems that arise from inflammation-high cholesterol, pain, auto-immune disease, senile dementia/alzheimers

    Anyone's thoughts on this?

    BTW nice to see you again, Aeternitatis

  4. here is another link on prostaglandins

    http://www.yohimbe.org/prostaglandin.htm

  5. Good to see you AcuDoc

    Now I'm not the one who created the product but I've been thinking that there is more to archidonic acid and its benefits to muscle growth than just additional inflammation. I personally am no longer feeling the extreme soreness after workouts that I was at first and have not noticed any additional inflammation...yet strength is definitely going up (something I'll get more into when I update on Sunday). AA is still quite misunderstood and the field of study relating to prostaglandins and eicosanoids I think is still quite new. Right now, I am seeing AA as a kind of anabolic hormonal switch for those little known hormones. It can also increase androgen receptor density which is kind of like an increase in testosterone without the actualy increase...uh

    But when you think about it, AA supplementation follows a crude sor of logic to me. I mean, when you think of a huge, musuclar brute what do you see him eating? I see mounds of beef. And it is in the fat of red meat that AA is most abundant. Heh, it's that kind of intuition (if it can be called that) that I go off. If you look at the diets of Native Americans and other indigenous peoples, you will commonly find that when they hunted for meat, it was the fattiest meat that was most prized. Sure, fat is more calorie dense but I have no doubt that there is more to it than that.

    Oh, and I definitely agree with you about long term supplementation being very likely detrimental. But I think this may only apply to the high doses I'm taking. I've proposed the idea to Llewellyn that X-Factor taken at just one capsule a day (200mg AA) could function as an EFA supplement like fish and flax oils do now.
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  6. bump anything new?

  7. ***UPDATE***

    3/05/05
    Lost a capsule; it fell into the nether regions behind the cupboard.

    3/07/05
    Holy ****! My morning weight is now up to 182. Jesus, I haven’t weighed this much since I was a fat ass in middle school. And the amazing thing is I’ve actually tightened up just a bit. That means I’m up 7 pounds in three weeks with no visible fat gains! I want you to know that even when I was using PH’s and eating way more calories than I am now, I still didn’t reach a weight of over 180lbs.

    I’ve also been tearing up the weights. Let me tell you! Sometimes I sneak into the local community college gym for a workout. I used every single plate in the place on the squat press for several sets of 7 reps (over 500 pounds is all I know). I used their heaviest dumbbells (80 lbs) for some easy chest press sets. I know I could’ve handled 100lb dumbbells if they were available.

    Most impressive though is what my squat has done. My ten rep squat has shot from 255 to 285. The other day I did a 5 rep set of squats with 305lbs with solid form. I have never gone above 300lbs for even one rep. So, now I’m setting some ambitious goals. I hope to hit double my bodyweight for a 5 reps squat and do 300lbs for 10 reps before this X-Factor trial is over.

    The interesting thing is that my bicep and thigh measurements haven’t increased but I swear I look bigger. My muscles are definitely harder. I really feel that X-Factor is working the way it should. A strange thing is that I no longer feel the extreme soreness that I did for the first two weeks. I don’t get any extra joint pain or muscle pain, just the usual amounts.
    Also take note that I will be making an effort to eat much cleaner and will be reducing calories a bit as I am going to start testing Blaze. I’ll still be eating above maintenance but below what I have been by at least 500 calories.
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  8. It blows my mind that for as long as this product has been out, nobody seemed to believe in it, I don't really know of anyone who has even tried it. Your log has me sold for a test run. Time for other supplement companies to try to jump on the bandwagon and get the price down.

  9. Aeternitatis, just cause I don't feel like doing math, how many bottles do you plan on going through. Did you get yours under $35 per bottle?

  10. I got my bottles for free.

    Here's the math: 3 bottles at 5 caps per day for 50 days (plus some). Keep in mind that while using this you need to stop supplementing with flax or fish oil and you also MUST avoid any antiinflammatory medicines. These are considered the reasons why it may not have worked for some people in the past. All the guide lines are here in this log in case you need to double check.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by D_town
    Time for other supplement companies to try to jump on the bandwagon and get the price down.
    I don't think this will happen since Llewellyn now holds the patent to sell AA as a muscle builder. But you may someday find it sold for less as a non-descript supplement. However, I think it will take some time for this to catch on because it just isn't as flashy as the other supps. You know, it isn't some huge proprietary blend of super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers or whatever. X-Factor is just one active ingredient.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    You know, it isn't some huge proprietary blend of super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers or whatever.
    Damn there goes my idea in the lab. Back to the drawing board. Who told you about my super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers? BAH

  13. Sorry man. But you were on the right track you know.

    The Heavy Metal ethly ether really creates market appeal within the younger generation and hardcore group.
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  14. If you arent supposed to take flax or fish oil with this supplement, then how are you supposed to get your EFA's? I was thinking about taking this, but with Bobo's diet EFA's are my only source of fat. Any suggestions?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AcuDoc
    I am thinking that this product might not be that great for you to take long term. Just thinking quickly of the problems that arise from inflammation-high cholesterol, pain, auto-immune disease, senile dementia/alzheimers
    I tend to think health issues could be a concern. However, Bill(MolecularNut) has addressed the cholesterol issue with some research on AA usage. I do not think this is a substance to be used long term but rather in short intervals. Hopefully, this would limit any negative impacts.

    Thus far, feedback seems positive. Bill really believes in this product despite his critics and I admire that.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    If you arent supposed to take flax or fish oil with this supplement, then how are you supposed to get your EFA's? I was thinking about taking this, but with Bobo's diet EFA's are my only source of fat. Any suggestions?
    You have to limit them significantly. Obviously, taking AA with your current diet probably wouldn't work out very well. I have stopped supplementing with fish oil entirely and just rely on fatty foods (it's worked for me in the past). Yes, I consume a lot of saturated fat but I honestly don't think it's that bad and it hasn't caused me any problems thus far. Really, I'm not worried about not getting EFA's just because I don't supplement them. To break it down, there is to be no supplementing with EFA's/oils (flax, fish, hemp, sesamin, etc), limit intake of olive oil, take nothing with antiinflammatory properties.

    With all that, supplementing with AA may not be the best thing for overall health but it's definitely a step up from steroids.
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  17. So what is your overall opinion of X-Factor, is it worth the price?

  18. Well, 3 bottles will last 54 days at 5 caps per day. I have been on for 21 days now; not even half way through. So, taking that into consideration, I'm definitely leaning towards yes. I think this will be one product that is definitely worth the money.

    **mini update**
    Okay, this is just something I forgot to mention. I am noticing more acne. I'm getting little pimples on my upper arms where I never got them before and I'm getting more on my face. Maybe this is being caused by X-Factor increasing AR density.
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  19. Quick Q - any plans on getting bloodwork done?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    **mini update**
    Okay, this is just something I forgot to mention. I am noticing more acne. I'm getting little pimples on my upper arms where I never got them before and I'm getting more on my face. Maybe this is being caused by X-Factor increasing AR density.
    Very interesting, if this is true, maybe it would be good to take before a cycle and bigger gains would be made on slightly lower doses. I think I will go for bigger gains with the same high dose though

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Very interesting, if this is true, maybe it would be good to take before a cycle and bigger gains would be made on slightly lower doses. I think I will go for bigger gains with the same high dose though
    I think this is going to be one of the next areas we see AA being applied. I've been getting a lot of feedback lately about acne with this product, without the concurrent use of androgens. I really think this is a very stong tendency for increasing AR in many androgen responsive tissues, like skin and muscle. It may be one of the key reasons AA is anabolic. If so, the applications with steroids are obvious. It could be like the mythical AR density drug we've been hoping for (fingers crossed).

    I just keep telling everyone NOT to stack it though, because I want them to truly know what AA is doing for them. This **** does work!
    William LlewellynCEO, Molecular NutritionPatented and developed Arachidonic Acid (X-FACTOR) for Sports Nutrition

  22. Thanks for checking in w. llewellyn. I will definetly try this after I come off my current cycle, and then will run another cycle of the AA before my next AAS cycle, since I do not seem to respond to them like I think I should be.

  23. My thoughts exactly Nate. I got some SD and ErgoMax just waiting to be stacked with X-factor.
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  24. I dunno if I could stack SD with it, my joints hurt pretty bad while on SD. Couldn't imagine taking SD without EFA's...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigpetefox
    Adonis X isn't a knock-off, the ads for it stated that Molecular and Syntrax worked together on it..
    Bill and Derek often shared product ideas and what not, Adonis X and X-Factor are the same compound and both were released around the same time. Just go with the one that is cheaper (which usually is X-Factor)...

  26. Quote Originally Posted by D_town
    It blows my mind that for as long as this product has been out, nobody seemed to believe in it, I don't really know of anyone who has even tried it.
    Two things...

    1. Prohormones/Prosteroids were all the craze, and took up 95% of all the boards. Nobody wanted to here or talk about anything else.

    2. With M1T being had for $9.99 a pop, no one was even thinking about dishing out $35 for something they didn't no much about.

    I think Bill did a smart thing, by waitng until the hormone craze kinda died down and people started to look at other compounds, before he started getting testers and started posting more info on the boards...

  27. ***UPDATE***

    03/10/05
    Got 3 reps of 315 lbs and 8 reps of 295 lbs on squat. I feel I could’ve gotten 5 reps and 10 reps if I had really pushed it. As much I wanna keep pushing the envelope, I know I need to go light for my next leg workout. I feel I can hit 300 lbs for 10 reps within the next two weeks.

    I have also decided to cut creatine out of my supplement stack. Yesterday morning was the last time I took it.

    03/11/05
    Tried to do upper body today. MISTAKE! I got tired in like 15 minutes, obviously way too beat-up from my crazy leg workouts. Still able to kick up some 85 pound dumbbells for 7 reps on bench press. I know I should’ve rested more but I have been in the zone more than ever before. I really feel like an animal and I am confident in saying that X-Factor is a major cause of this. I don’t know why, but I very seldom find myself this crazed to hit the weights. I’m going to say it’s 50% psychological and %50 physiological.

    03/12/05
    I used to be able to run 5 miles like it was a walk around the block. Now 2 miles has me stopping for rests. Not so much because my cardio system is tired but because my legs get so painfully pumped. Can you say lower back pump? Ughh! That, and although I don’t feel joint pain while resting, I feel it when running; ankle and knee pain along with intense shin splints. It could be the X-Factor or it could be just all the added weight I have. You guys want some weight and girth measurements but I’m going to wait a few more days and let any residual creatine leave my system. Then we’ll see how much that contributed to my size.

    Food of the day: strawberries on steroids. These things are red and huge…
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  28. How much longer do you have left on your cycle of the xfactor? How has the acne been coming along, getting any worse? Any more weight gains lately? It appears that your strength is going up nicely, were you plateaued at all before starting this, or were your strength gains going at the same rate they are now? Keep up the good work.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    How much longer do you have left on your cycle of the xfactor? How has the acne been coming along, getting any worse? Any more weight gains lately? It appears that your strength is going up nicely, were you plateaued at all before starting this, or were your strength gains going at the same rate they are now? Keep up the good work.
    I have about 3 weeks left.
    Acne has not changed. Still up a bit more than normal but not getting worse.
    Weight gains I'll post at the end of this week.
    I was severely plateued before starting X-Factor.
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  30. ***UPDATE***

    03/16/05
    Well people, I went too gung ho last week and now I’m paying for it. I haven’t had a half decent workout since Friday. I believe that from pushing myself so hard on leg days and not going to sleep as early as I should, I have induced slight adrenal fatigue. I base this diagnoses on a few symptoms but especially the fact that I keep waking up at 3am. Top that off with the stress of dealing with people who ask me for **** every freakin day and you’ve got yourself on the road to overtraining. Hopefully tomorrow I’ll be able to have a workout but this week is going to be VERY light and easy. And don’t think this doesn’t piss me off. But I actually just got over a year long bout with insomnia and I’m not going to start that **** up again. I’m so disappointed though. I know I could’ve hit 300lbs for a ten rep squat. It is so ****ty to wake up at 3am and just lay thinking to yourself that you know you won’t be able to workout. So, right now I’m staying away from all stimulants, eating supportive herbs and nutrients, and going to bed at 8pm. My right, lower eye-lid has been twitching nonstop since Friday.
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