X-Factor log

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  1. Uh, it says in my first post: 2+2+1
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    And yeah, I hate the BB.com forums too. It's too bad so many good minds hang out there because the majority of members are complete ass holes. Everything is so cliquey over there and it causes much misinformation. If only people like patrick arnold, llewellyn, and some of teh Avant guys would hang here more often. Doesn't matter though, we got some smart motha ****as in this house.
    I stop in here from time to time, and agree - good forum here guys. Wish I had the time to hang out on the boards more in general, as I'd definitely be a regular here if I could. I love to answer questions about my work..

    I'll try to keep checking this thread though, since I know you guys are talking aboiut it. If any of you have specific questions - please fire away.
    William LlewellynCEO, Molecular NutritionPatented and developed Arachidonic Acid (X-FACTOR) for Sports Nutrition
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  3. ***UPDATE***

    2/27/05
    My muscles feel fuller, thicker. I don’t think I’ve gotten stronger beyond what is normal but I definitely have extra intensity when working out. Soreness is still up from what I'm used to getting. For now I can say that I definitely am noticing that I'm "on" something. Since this is still only the closing of the second week of usage I suspect that the real effects will begin to show themselves in the coming days of week 3. I’ll give an update of weight and measurements at the end of week 3. Until then, here is a sample of my workout routines and diet.


    Upper body:
    4xfailure Lean-In Dips
    2xfailure Wide Grip Pullups
    2xfailure Neutral Grip Pullups
    3x8-10 Barbell Row/Machine Row/1 arm row
    3x6-10 Clean and press
    2xfailure Cleans
    2x6-10 dumbbell bench press
    2x6-10 Incline Dumbbell curl
    1x10 angled barbell curl
    1x10 Triceps pressdown/overhead press


    Lower Body:
    7x3-15 Barbell Squats
    3x3-10 Deadlifts
    2x10-12 Travelling lunges w/dumbbells
    1x10 1-leg Calf raise w/dumbbell
    3x15 1-leg elevated calf raise alternating/no rest
    (sometimes I’ll use a leg curl machine, squat press machine, or angled calf raise machine in this workout)


    Sample Diet:

    Meal 1—
    1 scoop whey protein
    2 raw eggs
    2 T natural fruit jam
    1 banana
    1/4 C blueberries

    Meal 2—
    Chicken Breast
    Large salad w/field greens and mushrooms, vinaigrette

    Meal 3—
    2 slices Sprouted grain bread
    Cooked ground beef in tomato sauce

    Meal 4—
    1 Apple
    1 scoop WPI
    Almonds and Pumpkin seeds, raw

    Meal 5—
    1 scoop whey protein
    2 raw eggs
    2 T natural peanut butter
    1 heaping teaspoon cacao

    Meal 6—
    2 slices Sprouted grain bread
    Cooked ground beef in tomato sauce
    Large salad w/field greens and mushrooms, vinaigrette


    Add to this food the occasional grazing on other fruits, veggies, and nuts as well as the occasional 80% cacao chocolate bar. Also keep in mind that the beef I use is NOT lean.
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  4. Have you had any noticeable gains to this point?

  5. I don't want to jump the gun so I'm not going to speak of any "gains" till week three.

    Just a little update, I have begun supplementing with organic blachstrap molasses and organic, raw apple cider vinegar. Natural food supplements are the bee's knees.
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  6. Adonis X isn't a knock-off, the ads for it stated that Molecular and Syntrax worked together on it..

  7. I don't know anything about that but I do know that they're the exact same thing and X-Factor is cheaper at BB.com.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by x_muscle
    actuly X-factor is aimed for raising prostaglandins, spificly PGF-2a, and PGE-1, not eicosanoids. although eicosanoids are raised from AA.
    Here is a link which explains the basics of prostaglandins

    http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembo...ostagland.html

    I am thinking that this product might not be that great for you to take long term. Just thinking quickly of the problems that arise from inflammation-high cholesterol, pain, auto-immune disease, senile dementia/alzheimers

    Anyone's thoughts on this?

    BTW nice to see you again, Aeternitatis

  9. here is another link on prostaglandins

    http://www.yohimbe.org/prostaglandin.htm

  10. Good to see you AcuDoc

    Now I'm not the one who created the product but I've been thinking that there is more to archidonic acid and its benefits to muscle growth than just additional inflammation. I personally am no longer feeling the extreme soreness after workouts that I was at first and have not noticed any additional inflammation...yet strength is definitely going up (something I'll get more into when I update on Sunday). AA is still quite misunderstood and the field of study relating to prostaglandins and eicosanoids I think is still quite new. Right now, I am seeing AA as a kind of anabolic hormonal switch for those little known hormones. It can also increase androgen receptor density which is kind of like an increase in testosterone without the actualy increase...uh

    But when you think about it, AA supplementation follows a crude sor of logic to me. I mean, when you think of a huge, musuclar brute what do you see him eating? I see mounds of beef. And it is in the fat of red meat that AA is most abundant. Heh, it's that kind of intuition (if it can be called that) that I go off. If you look at the diets of Native Americans and other indigenous peoples, you will commonly find that when they hunted for meat, it was the fattiest meat that was most prized. Sure, fat is more calorie dense but I have no doubt that there is more to it than that.

    Oh, and I definitely agree with you about long term supplementation being very likely detrimental. But I think this may only apply to the high doses I'm taking. I've proposed the idea to Llewellyn that X-Factor taken at just one capsule a day (200mg AA) could function as an EFA supplement like fish and flax oils do now.
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  11. bump anything new?

  12. ***UPDATE***

    3/05/05
    Lost a capsule; it fell into the nether regions behind the cupboard.

    3/07/05
    Holy ****! My morning weight is now up to 182. Jesus, I haven’t weighed this much since I was a fat ass in middle school. And the amazing thing is I’ve actually tightened up just a bit. That means I’m up 7 pounds in three weeks with no visible fat gains! I want you to know that even when I was using PH’s and eating way more calories than I am now, I still didn’t reach a weight of over 180lbs.

    I’ve also been tearing up the weights. Let me tell you! Sometimes I sneak into the local community college gym for a workout. I used every single plate in the place on the squat press for several sets of 7 reps (over 500 pounds is all I know). I used their heaviest dumbbells (80 lbs) for some easy chest press sets. I know I could’ve handled 100lb dumbbells if they were available.

    Most impressive though is what my squat has done. My ten rep squat has shot from 255 to 285. The other day I did a 5 rep set of squats with 305lbs with solid form. I have never gone above 300lbs for even one rep. So, now I’m setting some ambitious goals. I hope to hit double my bodyweight for a 5 reps squat and do 300lbs for 10 reps before this X-Factor trial is over.

    The interesting thing is that my bicep and thigh measurements haven’t increased but I swear I look bigger. My muscles are definitely harder. I really feel that X-Factor is working the way it should. A strange thing is that I no longer feel the extreme soreness that I did for the first two weeks. I don’t get any extra joint pain or muscle pain, just the usual amounts.
    Also take note that I will be making an effort to eat much cleaner and will be reducing calories a bit as I am going to start testing Blaze. I’ll still be eating above maintenance but below what I have been by at least 500 calories.
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  13. It blows my mind that for as long as this product has been out, nobody seemed to believe in it, I don't really know of anyone who has even tried it. Your log has me sold for a test run. Time for other supplement companies to try to jump on the bandwagon and get the price down.

  14. Aeternitatis, just cause I don't feel like doing math, how many bottles do you plan on going through. Did you get yours under $35 per bottle?

  15. I got my bottles for free.

    Here's the math: 3 bottles at 5 caps per day for 50 days (plus some). Keep in mind that while using this you need to stop supplementing with flax or fish oil and you also MUST avoid any antiinflammatory medicines. These are considered the reasons why it may not have worked for some people in the past. All the guide lines are here in this log in case you need to double check.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by D_town
    Time for other supplement companies to try to jump on the bandwagon and get the price down.
    I don't think this will happen since Llewellyn now holds the patent to sell AA as a muscle builder. But you may someday find it sold for less as a non-descript supplement. However, I think it will take some time for this to catch on because it just isn't as flashy as the other supps. You know, it isn't some huge proprietary blend of super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers or whatever. X-Factor is just one active ingredient.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    You know, it isn't some huge proprietary blend of super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers or whatever.
    Damn there goes my idea in the lab. Back to the drawing board. Who told you about my super new di-ester-malate-heavymetal-ethyl-ethers? BAH

  18. Sorry man. But you were on the right track you know.

    The Heavy Metal ethly ether really creates market appeal within the younger generation and hardcore group.
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  19. If you arent supposed to take flax or fish oil with this supplement, then how are you supposed to get your EFA's? I was thinking about taking this, but with Bobo's diet EFA's are my only source of fat. Any suggestions?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AcuDoc
    I am thinking that this product might not be that great for you to take long term. Just thinking quickly of the problems that arise from inflammation-high cholesterol, pain, auto-immune disease, senile dementia/alzheimers
    I tend to think health issues could be a concern. However, Bill(MolecularNut) has addressed the cholesterol issue with some research on AA usage. I do not think this is a substance to be used long term but rather in short intervals. Hopefully, this would limit any negative impacts.

    Thus far, feedback seems positive. Bill really believes in this product despite his critics and I admire that.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    If you arent supposed to take flax or fish oil with this supplement, then how are you supposed to get your EFA's? I was thinking about taking this, but with Bobo's diet EFA's are my only source of fat. Any suggestions?
    You have to limit them significantly. Obviously, taking AA with your current diet probably wouldn't work out very well. I have stopped supplementing with fish oil entirely and just rely on fatty foods (it's worked for me in the past). Yes, I consume a lot of saturated fat but I honestly don't think it's that bad and it hasn't caused me any problems thus far. Really, I'm not worried about not getting EFA's just because I don't supplement them. To break it down, there is to be no supplementing with EFA's/oils (flax, fish, hemp, sesamin, etc), limit intake of olive oil, take nothing with antiinflammatory properties.

    With all that, supplementing with AA may not be the best thing for overall health but it's definitely a step up from steroids.
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  22. So what is your overall opinion of X-Factor, is it worth the price?

  23. Well, 3 bottles will last 54 days at 5 caps per day. I have been on for 21 days now; not even half way through. So, taking that into consideration, I'm definitely leaning towards yes. I think this will be one product that is definitely worth the money.

    **mini update**
    Okay, this is just something I forgot to mention. I am noticing more acne. I'm getting little pimples on my upper arms where I never got them before and I'm getting more on my face. Maybe this is being caused by X-Factor increasing AR density.
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  24. Quick Q - any plans on getting bloodwork done?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    **mini update**
    Okay, this is just something I forgot to mention. I am noticing more acne. I'm getting little pimples on my upper arms where I never got them before and I'm getting more on my face. Maybe this is being caused by X-Factor increasing AR density.
    Very interesting, if this is true, maybe it would be good to take before a cycle and bigger gains would be made on slightly lower doses. I think I will go for bigger gains with the same high dose though
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