[BryanM]

well im planning a cutter with SD at 10mg 2on 2off 2on and MOHN at 32mg throughout for the 6 weeks but that wont be until april or may I like to keep a good amount of time off between cycles.


Anyway that will be an aggressive cut Im at 188-190 pounds at 15-16% BF I will be taking and eca alternative like xenadrine(reason being is Ephedrine wreaks havoc on the prostate) But that will be with the anabolics to prevent the muscle loss.

My goal is 8-9%BF if possible So im assuming around 15 pounds to loose
Ive cut before at 65%max hrt rate and lost about 2-3 pounds ew so taking this into consideration i think I can loose the weight while on the cycle.


Now im really concerned about lossing LBM from hear until there.
I am looking for suggestions on what to take while I try to cut about 5 or so pounds of fat from now until april or may.

I know HMB doesnt pan out for muscle mass gains but I ordered some anyway to give it a shot in hopes on maybe some slight anti catabolic effects I got it for 10 bucks so I figured why not.

I am also going to give rhodiola a shot because I have heard from a few that its adaptagen qualities help with recovery so maybe another sign that it is slightly anticatabolic.

I will also be useing CEE (not to sure if it is anti-catabolic or not) But it gives me a decent pump and its only 6 bucks.

Would ALCAR help with muscle preservation at all?

what else increases protein synthesis?

Anything else that would help perserve muscle im all ears(suppliment wise I know protein is best.)

[Lean One]

I'll probably get flamed for suggesting this, but I like Biotest Methoxy 7 just for this purpous. It's a highly underated supplement.A great nutrient partitioner. It will stack well with CEE too. I always use a cocktail like that when I want to take a long break from androgens.

[Odessa14]

ALCAR will help you lose the weight and keep alert...I doubt it will preserve muscle in any extreme circumstance...

That being said, I would have to say Lean Extreme migh be good in your situation...Def look into that...

I would also wonder if you should wait on the CEE until after the cycle is done...use it during PCT and after...

Like you said, protein is best, but you obviosuly know that...I think youll love the M4OHN for your cutting cycle...the CNS stim is sooooo nice in a situation like yours....with that in mind I would tell you to watch it on any other stims...you might be able to "take it" but I would just say watch the blood pressure, just to be safe...

Good Luck

O14

[sirpsycho]

Try Cytodyne's Cytodyne, it has ingredients that many say help the body increase protein synthesis and fat metabolism, decrease protein breakdown and decrease cortisol production.

It contains :

Acetyl L Canitine 1100mg.

Phosphatidylserine 175mg.

L-Alanine 200mg.

Alpha Ketoglutaric Acid 150mg.

L-Glutamine 2150mg.

Taurine 1050mg.

Ketoisocaproate 50mg.

Inositol 50mg.

It is a little pricey, but it may be worth a shot.

[doggzj]

Originally Posted by sirpsycho

Try Cytodyne's Cytodyne, it has ingredients that many say help the body increase protein synthesis and fat metabolism, decrease protein breakdown and decrease cortisol production.

It contains :

Acetyl L Canitine 1100mg.

Phosphatidylserine 175mg.

L-Alanine 200mg.

Alpha Ketoglutaric Acid 150mg.

L-Glutamine 2150mg.

Taurine 1050mg.

Ketoisocaproate 50mg.

Inositol 50mg.

It is a little pricey, but it may be worth a shot.

It isn't a bad product for indrediant profile, it is just extremely underdosed. I second the LXT simply for anti catabolic purposes. I like Ephedrine also, as it is an incredible partitioner, but too each his own.

[Odessa14]

Originally Posted by doggzj

It isn't a bad product for indrediant profile, it is just extremely underdosed.

I agree...you can buy most of what works in that product in bulk for much less and get much more...

[sirpsycho]

Originally Posted by doggzj

It isn't a bad product for indrediant profile, it is just extremely underdosed. I second the LXT simply for anti catabolic purposes. I like Ephedrine also, as it is an incredible partitioner, but too each his own.

I agree that the ingredient profile is good, but what would everyone suggest in terms of amounts for this product by itself (double it? triple it?) or it's individual ingredients bought by bulk, would you double, triple, quad?

Also, are there any items you find as useless in this product, so that if we buy the ingredients in bulk we could omit some to save some money?

[Iron Warrior]

transdermal 7-keto is also very good

[Enigma76]

I hate having to plug for a company, but from the research that USPlabs provided it would seem that their cAMPHIBOLIC product would do well here for you.

If the whole thing about raising test levels really pans out, it would help keep the muscle you have as well as helping to lose weight.

If you havent, give it some time and read their articles. I'm seriously considering this for my up-and-coming cut as an adjunct to E/C. My next cut I think will be EC, cAMP, sesathin and maybe LX.

[glenihan]

test is pretty anti-catabolic heheheh

[JonesersRX7]

Originally Posted by Enigma76

I'm seriously considering this for my up-and-coming cut as an adjunct to E/C. My next cut I think will be EC, cAMP, sesathin and maybe LX.

Sorry for being a nOOb but what's EC? cAMP is what you just listed, Sesathin is from Avant and Lean Xtreme is from Designer Sups. Couldn't find what EC is tho.

Thanks!

- Jonesie

[doggzj]

Originally Posted by JonesersRX7

Sorry for being a nOOb but what's EC? cAMP is what you just listed, Sesathin is from Avant and Lean Xtreme is from Designer Sups. Couldn't find what EC is tho.

Thanks!

- Jonesie

Ephedrine/Caffine stack

[doggzj]

Originally Posted by sirpsycho

I agree that the ingredient profile is good, but what would everyone suggest in terms of amounts for this product by itself (double it? triple it?) or it's individual ingredients bought by bulk, would you double, triple, quad?

Also, are there any items you find as useless in this product, so that if we buy the ingredients in bulk we could omit some to save some money?

I don't know the ammounts just off the top of my head, but I believe a lot of these compounds have threads over at Avant discussing them, probably even 1fast has some information. Most of these, at least the ones you can find at 1fast and BAC will probably have a good discription (sans reviews) with them.

You could quad everything in there and still not pay as much (just a guess )

I can tell you leave the glutamine out, which I'm for sure of.

[BryanM]

thanks guys

Glutamine actually works if taken pre cardio session.........slightly anyway

[JonesersRX7]

Originally Posted by doggzj

Ephedrine/Caffine stack

Anyone have recommendations on an ECA stack?

Xenadrine
Hydroxycut
Stacker 2?

- Jonesie

[Lean One]

Originally Posted by JonesersRX7

Anyone have recommendations on an ECA stack?

Xenadrine
Hydroxycut
Stacker 2?

- Jonesie

Don't fall for that crap if it's sold OTC now. If you want the real deal you have to get the E and C seprately.

[OmarJackson]

as tried and true ECA is. the new line of "next-gen" thermos look pretty good.

redline (the RTD is awesome BTW)
tight
hot-rox
scorch
HEAT
etc....

[Twin Peak]

Originally Posted by BryanM

what else increases protein synthesis?

Interesting question, since Par Deus was just showing me a formula for a product that is specifically designed for increasing protein synthesis. This is an overlooked avenue, IMO.

Otherwise, anything that bumps leptin (or leptin signalling or leptin sensitivity -- a la the LeptiGen family) or anything that is a solid nutrient partitioner (thus trafficking the nutrients to the muscle) will spare muscle (think ephedrine, HEAT Stack, etc.).