OK guys and girls...MY SIS NEEDS HELP

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    WOW!!!!.....i think i started a land slide between BLANK & FAIRPLAY....guys no need to get testy really........i really appreciate ur comments both of u , this is more info then i bargained for and its great....and dont worry about the hijack>>> bacause of it i got to hear the good and the bad of it ....lol
    Thanx to all for ur comments i will have to set up an intense workout for her i guess to burn off that 15 lb....by the way shes 29 shes never done weights only cardio
    suggestions on intensity and equip to use for her are welcome and guys .....REALLY dont get each other banned on behalf of a thread that i started.....i wont be able to forgive myself cuz those are deff not the intentions i had in mind

    Cant we All Get Along =-()


  2. Quote Originally Posted by jweave23
    Ok children, quit with the antics and don't ruin Polish Oak's thread

    Stop acting like a bunch of bickering school kids. This is the second or thrid time I've heard complaints regarding blank!, one more time and you are banned. You seem to have all the answers set in stone and point them out in an inflammatory way, then accuse everyone else of having "the problem", because after all... you're just point out facts. Chances are if multiple people are having issues with your posting style, maybe the root of the problem is not them, but however you! Novel idea, huh? Disseminating information can be done in a non-inflammatory way, I suggest you learn it
    Thanx man for jumping in and stopping this b 4 it got out of control, but go easy on the 2 of them
    i asked for opinions and i got some .....(with prior experience)....this site is great, it has personally helped me a lot and im sure it has done that for most of the people here.
    And the thread wasnt ruined quite informative in fact...and a bit funny.....so i guess im off on a quest to helping her lose 15 pounds.....and any suggestions r still welcome

    GREAT SITE!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
    Thanx man for jumping in and stopping this b 4 it got out of control, but go easy on the 2 of them
    i asked for opinions and i got some .....(with prior experience)....this site is great, it has personally helped me a lot and im sure it has done that for most of the people here.
    And the thread wasnt ruined quite informative in fact...and a bit funny.....so i guess im off on a quest to helping her lose 15 pounds.....and any suggestions r still welcome

    GREAT SITE!
    Good luck Oak. And keep us posted

  4. ok heres some news
    i started to make my sis do cardio ...hard... heres the thing::
    according to all the books and mags i read to figure out the max heart rate u need to take 220- age = ur max heart rate in my sis case it turns out to be 191 max
    the problem is that she can reach that heart rate in a matter of a few min ...like 3 to 4 min to be exact....whats worse is that shes not even sweatting yet......and this is on the tread mill and the bike.....on the tread mill shes only running at 3.5 and the bike her effort is in the 60 to 90 and she can reach her max in like 3 minwith no visible effort ???
    i tried the same mechines and in 5 min on the bike i couldnt even get to my 65% heart rate which is 147 and same with the tread mill ..mind u i was sweatting like a pig by now ...??? so im confused...what [email protected]#$%^&&*
    from what shes s been telling me is that she cant lose weight just by doing cardio...cuz she works ABOVE her max heart rate for more then 15 min on bike and treadmill....and stairmaster and she gets nothin out of it ...How Is That Possible??

  5. Could the heart rate monitor be off? I assume not since it seemed to work correctly for you, but I cant see how if you are at max heart rate, a person would not be sweating, you would have to be extrememly out of shape to hit max heart rate at 3.5mph in 3 minutes, and I doubt she is that out of shape if she only needs to lose 15lbs. Any other ideas?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Could the heart rate monitor be off? I assume not since it seemed to work correctly for you, but I cant see how if you are at max heart rate, a person would not be sweating, you would have to be extrememly out of shape to hit max heart rate at 3.5mph in 3 minutes, and I doubt she is that out of shape if she only needs to lose 15lbs. Any other ideas?
    ha , finaly someone as confused as i am...!!!
    noo shes not out of shape...not at all until this week she was in the gym at least 2 weeks out of a month....she not exactly a gym rat....but thats what the monitor read....i couldnt believe it .....those damm machines had me sweatting a storm ...she was laughin at me ...i was pedalling the dam bike at 157 i (guess rpm) and my heart rate was 125 and climing slower then i would like ....mean time she achived her MAXIMUM at what everyone considers there cool down period!??! a WoPpInG..65 rpm's
    she tells me that she feels more from weight traning then she does from cardio i still cant understand y she cant loose like even 3 pounds if shes running at full speed

  7. That is really weird, somebody has to have some ideas here?

  8. Well since she is not that out of shape then I would guess that her true heart rate max is higher than the predicted. There is a way you could figure out her true heart rate max on a track or on the treadmill, I just don't remember how. I know she isn't sweating but does she feel like she is working hard? She may just have a little vagal tone and that her heart jumps up really quick.

    knuckles

  9. The bottom line is that when doing true low intensity cardio, you don't feel like you're working hard. You're not supposed to. And some people just don't sweat a lot. What she may have to do is throw THR out the window, and use the RPE scale. (rating of percieved exertion) On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being no effort, 10 being max effort, she should be working around a 6 or 7. She should be able to breathe comfortably and easily carry on a conversation. If breathing becomes heavy, her intensity is too high. In time, she should get a good feel for how intensly she is training. The minimum amount of cardio that should be done to effect weight loss is about 30 min 4x/wk. This is if diet is perfect and she has exceptional genetics for fat loss. Most people need more. upwards of 45 min to 1 hr 5 to 7 days a week. Hope that helps clarify things a little for you.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
    i still cant understand y she cant loose like even 3 pounds if shes running at full speed
    This is because she would just be burning up muscle glycogen that just gets replaced the the next time she eats any carbs. This happens to a lot of people. I see it all the time. They go balls to the wall on cardio for up to an hr almost daily. Yet they stay fat year round and can't figure out why.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
    ok heres some news
    i started to make my sis do cardio ...hard... heres the thing::
    according to all the books and mags i read to figure out the max heart rate u need to take 220- age = ur max heart rate in my sis case it turns out to be 191 max
    the problem is that she can reach that heart rate in a matter of a few min ...like 3 to 4 min to be exact....whats worse is that shes not even sweatting yet......and this is on the tread mill and the bike.....on the tread mill shes only running at 3.5 and the bike her effort is in the 60 to 90 and she can reach her max in like 3 minwith no visible effort ???
    i tried the same mechines and in 5 min on the bike i couldnt even get to my 65% heart rate which is 147 and same with the tread mill ..mind u i was sweatting like a pig by now ...??? so im confused...what [email protected]#$%^&&*
    from what shes s been telling me is that she cant lose weight just by doing cardio...cuz she works ABOVE her max heart rate for more then 15 min on bike and treadmill....and stairmaster and she gets nothin out of it ...How Is That Possible??
    You're working her too hard. Try this. Set the treadmil at 2mph. Yes 2 mph. Set the incline on maximum. Have her walk on an incline with her hands at her sides checking HR periodicly or using the RPE scale. Adjust speed accordingly. Remember, if breathing becomes heavy or she feels lactic acid build up in her legs, she's working too hard.

  12. I was just wondering, why can't your sis drink alot of water. Have her try to space out alot of small glasses. IMO, people vastly underestimate the weight loss benefits associated with proper hydration. Especially women.

  13. she was not reaching her max heart rate and not working hard. I used to stay right under mine for 20min. and its hard. I have seen machines that were off. if you have a doubt take your pulse and multiply while working out. I really dont know that many people that can stay near their max heart rate for even short periods unless they are true gym rats.

  14. If her heart rate is going above her max that easily then you may want to have her consult a physician. I've never seen anyone get up to thier max HR that easily. A doc may want to have a stress test done. Before that though I would take her pulse manually the monitors dont read some people too well.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ironviking
    I would take her pulse manually the monitors dont read some people too well.
    Good suggestion. Or, get a personal one. Polar makes good ones.

  16. great info guys,
    as a matter a fact i asked one of the trainers in the gym about the same issue and it turns out that ALL OF U R RIGHT IN SOME WAY starting with Natedog::
    in his opinion she is out of shape !! straight out!! he also suggested to check her pulse manually by hand in 15 sec time...X4 to get her true rate,
    aslo he said that the machines might be off for her, to work her slowly for a while till she gets more into goin to the gym consistantly.....
    he even suggested for her to c a physician like the VIKING said......
    so it turns out that all of u were right ....which is great cuz i really didnt kno what the hell what up with her....not to mention that i never trained a girl.....
    and now its kind of a clear picture of what is going on......and im happy to inform that since mon she lost 2 pounds.....which is a good sign
    THANX EVERYONE ....FOR UR HELP AND SUGGESTIONS!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    The bottom line is that when doing true low intensity cardio, you don't feel like you're working hard. You're not supposed to. And some people just don't sweat a lot. What she may have to do is throw THR out the window, and use the RPE scale. (rating of percieved exertion) On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being no effort, 10 being max effort, she should be working around a 6 or 7. She should be able to breathe comfortably and easily carry on a conversation. If breathing becomes heavy, her intensity is too high. In time, she should get a good feel for how intensly she is training. The minimum amount of cardio that should be done to effect weight loss is about 30 min 4x/wk. This is if diet is perfect and she has exceptional genetics for fat loss. Most people need more. upwards of 45 min to 1 hr 5 to 7 days a week. Hope that helps clarify things a little for you.
    hey man,
    thanx for being the most active on this thread...it really means a lot to me that all of u guys r helpin me out on a issue that isnt even pretaining to me, its just that i couldnt figure out what was goin on and i didint want to miss lead her in anyway
    and im goin to try the RPE scale u mentioned as of next week thanx for the suggestion
    ill keep u guys informed about her weight loss ...somehow i get the feeling that this is just the beginning........

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
    hey man,
    thanx for being the most active on this thread...it really means a lot to me that all of u guys r helpin me out on a issue that isnt even pretaining to me, its just that i couldnt figure out what was goin on and i didint want to miss lead her in anyway
    and im goin to try the RPE scale u mentioned as of next week thanx for the suggestion
    ill keep u guys informed about her weight loss ...somehow i get the feeling that this is just the beginning........
    No problem man. Keep the thread going and keep us updated.

  19. Have her see her doc for a stress test. They will hook up real graphical HR monitors while she is on the treadmill. This will help determine if she has a heart related condition. She may have one and never been diagnosed before.

    Easily 80% of weight loss is Diet. I see people all the time busting their ass doing cardio all the time and never lose weight due to their diet. She has to be strong willed to do it with a lot of support from her friends and family. It is very hard to watch your diet when you friends and family are eating Krispy Kremes right in your face I hate that. She needs to get a detailed written diet plan and pre-prep her meals early. That is the only way I can follow my diet plan. Otherwise life gets in the way and when you are in a rush it is so easy to grab something not in the plan.

    One thing to consider is giving her an early wedding gift and pay for her as an internet client for BOBO. I have read plenty of great feedback from his other clients. It is one more thing to look at.
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