OK guys and girls...MY SIS NEEDS HELP
02-11-2005 11:56 AM
Blank I apologise for the previous post telling you to get a grip!! You're right, your comments weren't aimed at me then. However, you have got to see where I'm coming from and I do stand by them....I'm not having a go mate, I agree with you in many ways....We can all be a little ironic in here now and again!
Also apologies for the thread hijack!
02-11-2005 11:59 AM
There was no patronizing. I think you are overreacting. In fact, I stated "I should have phrased it differently." I wasn't attacking you or making light of your reaction. Synephrine is used daily with and without adverse reactions.
Originally Posted by blank!
02-11-2005 12:09 PM
you: "Synephrine is still legal today because it effective (treating congestion) and not proven as a risk to consumers."
Originally Posted by knuckles
that is distinctly misinformative - i merely corrected it. i wasn't aware of any overreacting on my part - i'm just stating facts and quoting studies, hoping that anyone considering the product might glean some info from the studies for their decision to use or not use the product.
fairplay - you can "have a go", "take the piss", or "have a laugh" or any of the other descriptive phrases that americans don't use just as long as you ain't "makin' fun ah me"
02-11-2005 01:07 PM
Ok children, quit with the antics and don't ruin Polish Oak's thread
Stop acting like a bunch of bickering school kids. This is the second or thrid time I've heard complaints regarding blank!, one more time and you are banned. You seem to have all the answers set in stone and point them out in an inflammatory way, then accuse everyone else of having "the problem", because after all... you're just point out facts. Chances are if multiple people are having issues with your posting style, maybe the root of the problem is not them, but however you! Novel idea, huh? Disseminating information can be done in a non-inflammatory way, I suggest you learn it
02-11-2005 01:21 PM
Sorry for the hijack Polish. I was just saying what worked for my wife and that they can be had OTC. Everyone reacts differently to what they take, so take that into consideration. How old is your sister? Does she work out already? Have you helped her with diet and such?
02-11-2005 08:45 PM
02-11-2005 08:51 PM
Thanx man for jumping in and stopping this b 4 it got out of control, but go easy on the 2 of them
Originally Posted by jweave23
i asked for opinions and i got some .....(with prior experience)....this site is great, it has personally helped me a lot and im sure it has done that for most of the people here.
And the thread wasnt ruined quite informative in fact...and a bit funny.....so i guess im off on a quest to helping her lose 15 pounds.....and any suggestions r still welcome
02-11-2005 09:06 PM
Good luck Oak. And keep us posted
Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
02-16-2005 10:52 PM
ok heres some news
i started to make my sis do cardio ...hard... heres the thing::
according to all the books and mags i read to figure out the max heart rate u need to take 220- age = ur max heart rate in my sis case it turns out to be 191 max
the problem is that she can reach that heart rate in a matter of a few min ...like 3 to 4 min to be exact....whats worse is that shes not even sweatting yet......and this is on the tread mill and the bike.....on the tread mill shes only running at 3.5 and the bike her effort is in the 60 to 90 and she can reach her max in like 3 minwith no visible effort ???
i tried the same mechines and in 5 min on the bike i couldnt even get to my 65% heart rate which is 147 and same with the tread mill ..mind u i was sweatting like a pig by now ...??? so im confused...what gives??!@#$%^&&*
from what shes s been telling me is that she cant lose weight just by doing cardio...cuz she works ABOVE her max heart rate for more then 15 min on bike and treadmill....and stairmaster and she gets nothin out of it ...How Is That Possible??
02-17-2005 01:19 AM
Could the heart rate monitor be off? I assume not since it seemed to work correctly for you, but I cant see how if you are at max heart rate, a person would not be sweating, you would have to be extrememly out of shape to hit max heart rate at 3.5mph in 3 minutes, and I doubt she is that out of shape if she only needs to lose 15lbs. Any other ideas?
02-17-2005 03:38 AM
ha , finaly someone as confused as i am...!!!
Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
noo shes not out of shape...not at all until this week she was in the gym at least 2 weeks out of a month....she not exactly a gym rat....but thats what the monitor read....i couldnt believe it .....those damm machines had me sweatting a storm ...she was laughin at me ...i was pedalling the dam bike at 157 i (guess rpm) and my heart rate was 125 and climing slower then i would like ....mean time she achived her MAXIMUM at what everyone considers there cool down period!??! a WoPpInG..65 rpm's
she tells me that she feels more from weight traning then she does from cardio i still cant understand y she cant loose like even 3 pounds if shes running at full speed
02-17-2005 08:20 AM
That is really weird, somebody has to have some ideas here?
02-17-2005 08:42 AM
Well since she is not that out of shape then I would guess that her true heart rate max is higher than the predicted. There is a way you could figure out her true heart rate max on a track or on the treadmill, I just don't remember how. I know she isn't sweating but does she feel like she is working hard? She may just have a little vagal tone and that her heart jumps up really quick.
02-17-2005 09:00 AM
The bottom line is that when doing true low intensity cardio, you don't feel like you're working hard. You're not supposed to. And some people just don't sweat a lot. What she may have to do is throw THR out the window, and use the RPE scale. (rating of percieved exertion) On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being no effort, 10 being max effort, she should be working around a 6 or 7. She should be able to breathe comfortably and easily carry on a conversation. If breathing becomes heavy, her intensity is too high. In time, she should get a good feel for how intensly she is training. The minimum amount of cardio that should be done to effect weight loss is about 30 min 4x/wk. This is if diet is perfect and she has exceptional genetics for fat loss. Most people need more. upwards of 45 min to 1 hr 5 to 7 days a week. Hope that helps clarify things a little for you.
02-17-2005 09:06 AM
This is because she would just be burning up muscle glycogen that just gets replaced the the next time she eats any carbs. This happens to a lot of people. I see it all the time. They go balls to the wall on cardio for up to an hr almost daily. Yet they stay fat year round and can't figure out why.
Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
02-17-2005 09:11 AM
You're working her too hard. Try this. Set the treadmil at 2mph. Yes 2 mph. Set the incline on maximum. Have her walk on an incline with her hands at her sides checking HR periodicly or using the RPE scale. Adjust speed accordingly. Remember, if breathing becomes heavy or she feels lactic acid build up in her legs, she's working too hard.
Originally Posted by Polish_Oak
02-17-2005 01:11 PM
I was just wondering, why can't your sis drink alot of water. Have her try to space out alot of small glasses. IMO, people vastly underestimate the weight loss benefits associated with proper hydration. Especially women.
02-17-2005 01:52 PM
she was not reaching her max heart rate and not working hard. I used to stay right under mine for 20min. and its hard. I have seen machines that were off. if you have a doubt take your pulse and multiply while working out. I really dont know that many people that can stay near their max heart rate for even short periods unless they are true gym rats.
02-17-2005 02:29 PM
The Axe Man Cometh!!
If her heart rate is going above her max that easily then you may want to have her consult a physician. I've never seen anyone get up to thier max HR that easily. A doc may want to have a stress test done. Before that though I would take her pulse manually the monitors dont read some people too well.
02-17-2005 02:52 PM
Good suggestion. Or, get a personal one. Polar makes good ones.
Originally Posted by ironviking
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