Good idea or bad idea? Been hearing that EAAs competes with tryptophan and could lead to serotonin deficiency. I've always used 5-HTP as a relaxer or sleep aid but now considering it as a foundational supplement of 100 mg's a day?
Doesn't it lose out to the other aminos though and lead to possible serotonin deficiency? From what I understand tryptophan -> 5-htp -> serotonin.Tryptophan is an EAA. If you're eating a high protein diet then you're getting enough
If this were the case, I would think anybody eating a high protein diet would suffer from insomnia, anxiety, depression, and other symptoms of low serotonin.Doesn't it lose out to the other aminos though and lead to possible serotonin deficiency? From what I understand tryptophan -> 5-htp -> serotonin.
I've heard mention serotonin deficiency from high protein and BCAA diets from two individuals. One person is known in the AAS community whilst the other is a biochemist. It's also supposedly not readily evident if one has serotonin deficiency (so I heard). One way one can supposedly see if one is serotonin deficient is to dose 100 mg of 5-htp. People with acute effects from that are supposedly serotonin deficient.Thus I made this thread. To see if there's any truth in what I've heard or if it's not a tryptophan issue at all and the serotonin deficiency is caused by some other factor of a typical bb regimen.If this were the case, I would think anybody eating a high protein diet would suffer from insomnia, anxiety, depression, and other symptoms of low serotonin. I wouldn't consider 5-HTP/Tryptophan a necessity to supplement with. Maybe worthwhile if you're supplementing with something like L-Dopa, but even then I think you should be fine if you're supplementing it responsibly.
Again, your concern is totally overblown. Learn to put things in physiological context.I've heard mention serotonin deficiency from high protein and BCAA diets from two individuals. One person is known in the AAS community whilst the other is a biochemist. It's also supposedly not readily evident if one has serotonin deficiency (so I heard). One way one can supposedly see if one is serotonin deficient is to dose 100 mg of 5-htp. People with acute effects from that are supposedly serotonin deficient.Thus I made this thread. To see if there's any truth in what I've heard or if it's not a tryptophan issue at all and the serotonin deficiency is caused by some other factor of a typical bb regimen.
not sure if you want to be dr rhonda patrick was recently on the joe rogan podcast talking about this exact thing...how drinking a bolus amount of bcaa's could cause serotonin defiency and cause some problemsGood idea or bad idea? Been hearing that EAAs competes with tryptophan and could lead to serotonin deficiency. I've always used 5-HTP as a relaxer or sleep aid but now considering it as a foundational supplement of 100 mg's a day?
Yup, heard that episode. It basically made me recall a AAS podcast where the well known AAS guy (forgot who) a whiles back also mentioned how bbers were serotonin deficient.not sure if you want to be dr rhonda patrick was recently on the joe rogan podcast talking about this exact thing...how drinking a bolus amount of bcaa's could cause serotonin defiency and cause some problems
i love supplementing with 5htp at night, i take lights out....but after hearing what she had to say i don't think that supplementing with 5 htp is a bad idea
Me neither, but I brought it up as a question of if one wants to be optimal, would it be a good idea. The consensus is that 5-HTP should be cycled or it may lead to something like serotonin syndrome, but I was wondering if due to a typical bb lifestyle, serotonin ends up being depleted at a higher rate than usual, then would it in turn be ok or a good idea to not cycle low/modest daily dosing of 5-HTP.FWIW - I am finding this to be an interesting discussion and at least it gets me thinking about things that sometimes do not often get considered. However I don't know that I would agree it to be a staple simply based on high protein/BCAA ingestion.